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Purina Pro Plan Focus for dobie puppy?

Hello all! I’m a new dobie mom and very new to this site. I currently have a 6 months old male blue Doberman. I’m wondering has anyone tried Purina pro plan focus puppy large breed for their dobie before? If so, how did your pup react to the food? Mine is currently on wellness core large breed puppy kibble, but I’m noticing that his stool has been quite soft. I follow a Doberman rescue group on facebook and see that they feed Purina pro plan for the dobies so I’m wondering if it’s a good choice for mine. I wanted to find something that’s good quality for him but won’t break my bank because wellness is $70 for a bag of 24lbs and I think it’s just a bit much and as I’ve mentioned, his stool is not as solid as It should be.
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Welcome to DT.

A lot of us feed Pro Plan. At six months, you can probably go ahead and switch you guy to an adult formula. I'm currently feeding my two , a GSD bitch and an APBT bitch, the Focus Sensitive Skin and Stomach Salmon and Rice formula. I get mine from Chewy, which has very reasonable prices, and best of all, I don't have to drag it home from the store myself. https://www.chewy.com/purina-pro-pla...tive/dp/128666
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I feed the Focus Sensitive Skin and Stomach formula (the salmon/rice blend). I agree with Rosemary that I'd just go ahead and feed the adult version at 6 months old - it would be just fine at his age...this one: Proplan Sensitive Skin and Stomach
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Thank your that! I’m a bit confused as I’ve read along my research that because at this stage they’re still growing so they need the nutrition that puppy formulas have that adult kibble don’t. I want to be able to give him the proper nutrients he need to grow into a strong and big boy.
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I think that the ProPlan formulas in general are a food that most Dobes do well on. At six months I wouldn't be feeding a puppy kibble or a large breed puppy kibble, I'd switch him to ProPlan Focus Sensitive Skin and Stomach (salmon and rice).

I actually don't feed any of my puppies puppy food any more--I feed adult formulas that are rated ALS (all life stages). I feed whatever the breeder was feeding for a month after I get the puppy and then gradually change them to the ProPlan Focus either the salmon or the chicken formulas.

Just a ward of caution about soft stools--one of the common causes of soft stools is just plain feed a little too much. Easy to do with puppies since the usually will overeat if given a chance.

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PS Just saw your post about the recommendations that dogs should be on puppy formulas longer because of needed nutrietnts for growing puppies--for large and giant breeds this is rarely a problem with an adult food. the big factor in the larger breeds is to keep them from being "overnurished" and growing too fast.

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Welcome t ! From Indiana

One thing I read many times is the feeding guilds on the bag are just that , or a ball park figure . Then as My Aunt B said , most likely you could be feeding a little to much is the problem

I also read that what the bags posts on it to feed , that in real life , it could be as much as 60% less than what is stated on the bag , now our senior, Ali falls into that group , Mr. Business is more like 30 to 35 % less as he has got in older .

We are also on the pro plan SSS for Mr. B

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One thing I read many times is the feeding guilds on the bag are just that , or a ball park figure . Then as My Aunt B said , most likely you could be feeding a little to much is the problem

I also read that what the bags posts on it to feed , that in real life , it could be as much as 60% less than what is stated on the bag , now our senior, Ali falls into that group , Mr. Business is more like 30 to 35 % less as he has got in older .
Yes, the recommended amounts on the package are just that. Recommendations. You also need to take into account your dog's activity level and overall appearance.

My 7 year old GSD weighs about 55 pounds, and gets one cup twice a day for a total of two cups (recommended amount is 2 2/3 cup daily). My 5 year old APBT weighs about 35 pounds, and gets 3/4 cup twice a day for a total of 1 1/2 cups (recommended amount is 2 cups daily). Neither of them is particularly active during the summer because it's just too yucky down here to do much, but are in decent pet condition. Once it cools down some, and we start back to walking, they might need to have their food adjusted upwards a bit.
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Rosemary brings up a good point about summer time eating , same here Rosemary BUT in the winter time , they turn up there furnace and eat more . Also depends on how much exercise they get .
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Thank you guys for all the advices! The wellness bag says to feed 2 1/2 cup per serving but I’ve only been feeding him 2 cups x 2 times per day (mornings and night time) he gets half a frozen banana after each feeding time as a treat for obedience training. He poops 1 time before eating and another one after eating. The first batch would be solid stool and then it’s soft stool after that, so I’m quite confused for that reason.

Here are pictures of him. He’s now 6 months and 100% housetrained. He is the love of my life.

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Thank you all for your great advises! He is currently around 50lbs and 6 months old and based on the wellness bag they said to feed him 5 cups/day which I thought was too much. So I feed him 2 cups/2 times a day (morning and night) and then half a frozen banana each time for obedience training. He poops solid before each meal, and then loose stool after each meal which is why I am confused as to what is causing the loose stool. I will definitely be transitioning him to the PPP sensitive brand.

Here are pictures of him! He is the love of my life.
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I can see why. He is a handsome young man.

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Now that’s what I’m talking about right there !great pictures lol

Good looking young man

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I'm probably one of the few that Purina didn't work for. I tried the sensitive skin and stomach salmon and rice, and then later the lamb and oatmeal formula, and both gave my boy super soft, pudding stool. In case the switch doesn't work out for your pup, don't be discouraged! Every dog is different and has different needs. For mine, we're on Hills Prescription Diet Z/D formula for another month before trying out the regular (non-prescription) Hills brand. His prescription diet has worked wonders and we have had solid poops ever since starting him on it. Fingers crossed it continues when we transition him to the regular formula. Trust me, I know the frustration of trying to find what works, food-wise! Hang in there.
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I'm currently transitioning my girl from Royal Canin Rx food to Pro Plan Sensitive Skin & Stomach (Salmon & Rice) I'm doing a really slow transition because Mocha had a sensitive digestive system when she was a bit younger so it'll probably be 4-6 weeks before she's all the way on the Pro Plan. I've skipped my next shipment of the Royal Canin from Chewy but haven't cancelled yet, just in case the Pro Plan doesn't work out
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He's a handsome boy!

Just as an FYI, pinch/prong collars and slip collars/choke chains should never be left on you dog after a training session. It's entirely too easy for them to get caught on things, with possibly tragic outcomes. A former neighbor of mine had a Great Dane x Rottweiler bitch that they left a choke chain on. I say "had" because she hung herself while they were gone one day.


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Just as an FYI, pinch/prong collars and slip collars/choke chains should never be left on you dog after a training session. It's entirely too easy for them to get caught on things, with possibly tragic outcomes. A former neighbor of mine had a Great Dane x Rottweiler bitch that they left a choke chain on. I say "had" because she hung herself while they were gone one day.
Yes his obedience teacher did instruct me of the repercussions of such collars if not properly managed. He only wears it during the evening when I’m home to train him. Thank you very much for your concern!
This is him during down-stay and leave it training this morning. And the other one is him doing the “play dead” trick in exchange for a frozen banana
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Just a quick update: I’ve transitioned my pup to Purina Pro Plan SSS for about 5 days now and he seems to be doing well on it. My main concern for now is how much to feed him since the feeding guide doesn’t state whether it’s for daily or per feeding time. Right now I’m feeding him 2 cups x 2 times a day (1 cup of the SSS and 1 cup of wellness mixed each time) for a total of 4 cups a day. But I am worried that I might be over feeding because there’s still a bit of loose stool, so your input would really help out a lot, how much did you feed your baby dobie at 6 months age?
But as far as adapting to SSS I think he is doing very well.
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Just a quick update: I’ve transitioned my pup to Purina Pro Plan SSS for about 5 days now and he seems to be doing well on it. My main concern for now is how much to feed him since the feeding guide doesn’t state whether it’s for daily or per feeding time. Right now I’m feeding him 2 cups x 2 times a day (1 cup of the SSS and 1 cup of wellness mixed each time) for a total of 4 cups a day. But I am worried that I might be over feeding because there’s still a bit of loose stool, so your input would really help out a lot, how much did you feed your baby dobie at 6 months age?
But as far as adapting to SSS I think he is doing very well.
I guess I have to ask is his bowl empty when he is done ? I guessing it is , lol , just me talking here , but 4 cups at that age would be on the short side some , he may be lose from the transition. If I remember right , Mr. Business. Was around 5 cups a day , but he was not on pro plan at that time , you need to figure out the calories 1 cup would be , then go from there ask your vet the amount of calories he should be on a day .

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My experience has been puppies burn up their food pretty good because of activity levels and they are growing.........Hoss was eating 4 cups a day at that age.........
BUT........later .......at 1 year he ended up at 3 measuring cups per day ......when I asked my vet the same question this is what he said........

Once they hit a year its all relative to what they are doing each day......for instance.......a dog that lives on a farm thats running fields etc..........they would qualify for more food than say the city slicker dogs that have less activity during the day. So you see it's all relative to your dogs daily mechanics of living.

But later .......say after 1 year........then I monitor Hoss's weight by the way he looks..........when the sun shines on his rib cage I look for some of his lower ribs......nice tucked up tummy...........or one roll of skin as the dogs holds his head up..........the other day I was at my vets office for a well check.........when we discussed weight....he went to the rib cage and indicated he looks to be able to easily be able to find a rib and be able to easily massage in between the rib bones........if it's to hard to find.....dog needs to lose weight.........thats was a new technique.....so ......how much to feed .....?? It's all relative to the lifestyle of your dog.....
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Just a quick update: I’ve transitioned my pup to Purina Pro Plan SSS for about 5 days now and he seems to be doing well on it. My main concern for now is how much to feed him since the feeding guide doesn’t state whether it’s for daily or per feeding time. Right now I’m feeding him 2 cups x 2 times a day (1 cup of the SSS and 1 cup of wellness mixed each time) for a total of 4 cups a day. But I am worried that I might be over feeding because there’s still a bit of loose stool, so your input would really help out a lot, how much did you feed your baby dobie at 6 months age?
But as far as adapting to SSS I think he is doing very well.
It says "Recommended daily feeding amounts", meaning that is the total recommended amount per day. I'd cut back some, and see if that makes a difference.

I will say that Leo, my GSD, ate more as a puppy than she does as an adult.


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Just a quick update: I’ve transitioned my pup to Purina Pro Plan SSS for about 5 days now and he seems to be doing well on it. My main concern for now is how much to feed him since the feeding guide doesn’t state whether it’s for daily or per feeding time. Right now I’m feeding him 2 cups x 2 times a day (1 cup of the SSS and 1 cup of wellness mixed each time) for a total of 4 cups a day. But I am worried that I might be over feeding because there’s still a bit of loose stool, so your input would really help out a lot, how much did you feed your baby dobie at 6 months age?
But as far as adapting to SSS I think he is doing very well.
The feeding guide is daily, but it's really rough, and I find it to be more than my dogs need. I generally go by how they look....if they get a little pudgy I cut back, if they get a little ribby I up the amount. NOT a lot either way. I just use the guidelines as a VERY rough starting point, and usually find them to be higher than I need.

You might cut eat meal back by just 1/4 of a cup and see what happens. If stools improve and he doesn't look too thin...great!


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Thank you all for the help! Titan has been doing very well on SSS and the loose stool went away by itself. I also noticed that on SSS, he’s pooping a lot less than when he was on wellness. His coat is also looking a lot healthier than before. I wish I had known of SSS from the beginning! Here’s a pic of him learning a new trick today. I hope y’all have a wonderful day!
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Thank you all for the help! Titan has been doing very well on SSS and the loose stool went away by itself. I also noticed that on SSS, he’s pooping a lot less than when he was on wellness. His coat is also looking a lot healthier than before. I wish I had known of SSS from the beginning! Here’s a pic of him learning a new trick today. I hope y’all have a wonderful day!
That's great! (Nice job on the trick, too!)


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