Need help with food brands - Page 2 - Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums
 20Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #26 of 36 (permalink) Old 05-05-2019, 09:44 AM Thread Starter
Lil Dog
 
pudgtiel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 60
Location: Michigan
Dogs Name: Darcia

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit pudgtiel's Gallery
Thanks: 38
Thanked 93 Times in 47 Posts
         
Quote:
Originally Posted by falnfenix View Post
You provided his registered name, and I looked him up. He is NOT from someone I would considered ethical or reputable.

If your breeder bred to him, well. I'd look at her a bit sideways, too.

Health testing is great, but what you've shared looks incomplete. Does your breeder do annual holters AND echocardiograms in addition to the genetic tests? What about the owner of the sire? What's the longevity on both sides of the pedigree?

These are things I didn't learn until after bringing home my bitch. And I'm not trying to make you feel bad about your choice - just trying to give you tools for the future.
I didn't realize that was something you could do. I doubt I'll ever get another purebred but thank you.

She does do holters and echocardiograms, yes. Part of the reason I chose her was because she had all of that information publicly available. I couldn't tell you honestly, I'm not sure who the owner is. As far as I understand though these dogs seem to be living to be elderly.

No, I understand, thank you! I tried my hardest to make an educated choice but this is my FIRST and probably ONLY purebred dog. I've always adopted shelter dogs.

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
pudgtiel is offline  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to pudgtiel For This Useful Post:
Cressrb (05-05-2019), falnfenix (05-05-2019), melbrod (05-05-2019)
Advertisement
 
post #27 of 36 (permalink) Old 05-05-2019, 10:00 AM
ಠ_ಠ
 
falnfenix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 6,330
Location: Baltimore
Dogs Name: Ripley; R.I.P. Deckard
Titles: WAC
Dogs Age: DOB 7/8/13
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit falnfenix's Gallery
Thanks: 16,652
Thanked 13,628 Times in 4,558 Posts
                     
There is a wealth of information out there. If you search registered names with Google, you can find pedigrees (usually - there are other factors in play, like whether the breeder is a true BYB). Pedigrees tell us quite a bit about the background of a dog.

If your breeder is consistently producing dogs that reach 10 years, they should be registering them under the DPCA's Longevity program. If they aren't participating in the program, I'd want to know why.
LadyDi likes this.

“I am the sea witch. I am the tide you fear and the turning you can't deny. I am the sound of the waves running over your bones on the beach, little man, and I am not amused at finding you on my doorstep.”
- the Luidaeg, Chimes at Midnight

DPCA Chapter Club: http://www.mbdpc.net/
Regional rescue: http://www.dobe.net/
falnfenix is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to falnfenix For This Useful Post:
LadyDi (05-05-2019), melbrod (05-05-2019)
post #28 of 36 (permalink) Old 05-05-2019, 10:05 AM
Super Moderator
 
MeadowCat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 18,751
Location: MN
Dogs Name: Richter; Sypha; RIP Shanoa & Simon
Titles: Richter: CAA L1V NW1 L1I L1E L1C NW2 L2V ACT1 RATI WAC; Sypha: NW1 NW2 L1C L1V RATI SOG WAC
Dogs Age: d.o.b. 7/13/2012; d.o.b. 12/6/2015
Gallery Pics: 1
Visit MeadowCat's Gallery
Thanks: 45,867
Thanked 54,769 Times in 15,078 Posts
Images: 1
                     
Click here to find out how MeadowCat became a supporter
Let's try to keep this thread on topic - it's about food. The OP has been given good information, and s/he already has her/his dog. There's good information here on how to do health screenings for DCM and there's good information elsewhere on the forum on what else to screen for yearly (liver, kidneys, etc). No need to continue on the topic of what a breeder should or should not have done.

(Mod hat off)
dobebug and ECIN like this.


DSC_0133
by Shanoa Delta, on Flickr

Richter & Sypha
Glengate's Mountain Fortress CAA L1V NW1 L1I L1E L1C NW2 L2V L2I ACT1 RATI WAC
& Sirai's Golden Masquerade NW1 L1C L1V NW2 RATI SOG WAC
“You cannot get through a single day without having an impact on the world around you.
What you do makes a difference, and you have to decide what kind of difference you want to make.”
― Jane Goodall
MeadowCat is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to MeadowCat For This Useful Post:
4x4bike ped (05-05-2019), melbrod (05-05-2019)
Advertisement
 
post #29 of 36 (permalink) Old 05-05-2019, 04:10 PM
Big Pup
 
Enzo C7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 16
Location: Hill Country, Texas
Dogs Name: Tell us your dogs name
Dogs Age: 4
Gallery Pics: 6
Visit Enzo C7's Gallery
Thanks: 0
Thanked 47 Times in 11 Posts
Images: 6
     
I came across this last week, have not done any due diligence on it but this is something worth looking into.

Darn not really readable, I guess it needs to be hosted online, let me see what I can do.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Screen Shot 2019-05-05 at 4.26.31 PM.jpg
Views:	16
Size:	76.6 KB
ID:	111163  
Cressrb likes this.

Last edited by Enzo C7; 05-05-2019 at 04:27 PM.
Enzo C7 is offline  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Enzo C7 For This Useful Post:
Cressrb (05-05-2019), LadyDi (05-06-2019), pudgtiel (05-05-2019)
post #30 of 36 (permalink) Old 05-17-2019, 04:24 PM
Big Pup
 
Saskdobie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 31
Location: Central Saskatchewan
Dogs Name: Kascha & Aloha
Titles: No
Dogs Age: 11.5 & 2
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Saskdobie's Gallery
Thanks: 0
Thanked 63 Times in 28 Posts
       
Click here to find out how Saskdobie became a supporter
This is the info that our vet provided when we took our doberman with concerns related to her diet: "A link has been found between grain-free diets, diets containing peas and/or lentils, and dilated cardiomyopathy. The FDA first alerted the public about this investigation in July 2018. As a breed, Doberman Pinschers are also more predisposed to developing DCM. While you have been monitoring Lois' taurine levels, most dogs being diagnosed with DCM do NOT have low taurine levels. Currently, it appears that there may be three separate groups of dogs with DCM; diet-associated DCM with normal taurine levels, primary DCM in predisposed breeds unrelated to diet, and diet-associated DCM with taurine deficiency. For this reason, Lois would be considered a higher risk candidate for DCM as she is a predisposed breed and she is receiving a grain-free, boutique diet with lentils. We recommend transitioning Lois to a diet WITH grains and WITHOUT lentils. As Lois has a history of soft stools with diet changes, you may try transitioning her over a week's time, slowly increasing the amount of the new diet and decreasing the amount of the old diet. If interested, a consultation with VMC Nutrition may be considered."

I'm not sure if I should start a new thread, but it's pretty closely related to the original post. We acquired a 3 year old doberman, Lois, in November. Since the day we picked her up, she has had this really odd habit of resting with her mouth open right at the end of her ribcage (I think the vet referred to it as flank sucking). We just thought it was something odd she did, nicknamed her Snakedog. We've been feeding her Horizon Complete dog food (Complete) since we brought her home although her previous owner had her on a whole foods diet. Her stools have always been pretty soft and when I took her in to the vet the following February, they recommended what I linked above. So about a month ago, the soft stools became chronic diarrhea and she ended up having an episode where she pooped a lot of this cloudy yellow liquid and we took her off the Horizon Complete entirely. She had also progressed from flank sucking to repeatedly quasi-biting the area past her rib cage and it started affecting her coat. She was doing it sometimes fairly soon after eating and sometimes 3-4 hours after being fed. We had Hill's Prescription Diet J/D (https://www.hillspet.ca/en-ca/dog-food/pd-jd-canine-dry) handy for our older dog, switched her to it; her stools firmed up almost immediately, and after about a week she stopped attacking herself. However, two months with this dog food and her stools have started becoming soft again and she's still very uncomfortable sometimes, licking the same area until it's completely sodden. Both those dog foods are chicken based, should we try transitioning to a food with a fish base? Is there anything we should have her tested for? She appears totally healthy otherwise although her coat could be shinier.

Last edited by Saskdobie; 05-17-2019 at 04:28 PM.
Saskdobie is offline  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Saskdobie For This Useful Post:
ECIN (05-22-2019), LadyDi (05-18-2019), melbrod (05-17-2019)
post #31 of 36 (permalink) Old 05-17-2019, 08:29 PM
Super Moderator
 
MeadowCat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 18,751
Location: MN
Dogs Name: Richter; Sypha; RIP Shanoa & Simon
Titles: Richter: CAA L1V NW1 L1I L1E L1C NW2 L2V ACT1 RATI WAC; Sypha: NW1 NW2 L1C L1V RATI SOG WAC
Dogs Age: d.o.b. 7/13/2012; d.o.b. 12/6/2015
Gallery Pics: 1
Visit MeadowCat's Gallery
Thanks: 45,867
Thanked 54,769 Times in 15,078 Posts
Images: 1
                     
Click here to find out how MeadowCat became a supporter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saskdobie View Post
This is the info that our vet provided when we took our doberman with concerns related to her diet: "A link has been found between grain-free diets, diets containing peas and/or lentils, and dilated cardiomyopathy. The FDA first alerted the public about this investigation in July 2018. As a breed, Doberman Pinschers are also more predisposed to developing DCM. While you have been monitoring Lois' taurine levels, most dogs being diagnosed with DCM do NOT have low taurine levels. Currently, it appears that there may be three separate groups of dogs with DCM; diet-associated DCM with normal taurine levels, primary DCM in predisposed breeds unrelated to diet, and diet-associated DCM with taurine deficiency. For this reason, Lois would be considered a higher risk candidate for DCM as she is a predisposed breed and she is receiving a grain-free, boutique diet with lentils. We recommend transitioning Lois to a diet WITH grains and WITHOUT lentils. As Lois has a history of soft stools with diet changes, you may try transitioning her over a week's time, slowly increasing the amount of the new diet and decreasing the amount of the old diet. If interested, a consultation with VMC Nutrition may be considered."

I'm not sure if I should start a new thread, but it's pretty closely related to the original post. We acquired a 3 year old doberman, Lois, in November. Since the day we picked her up, she has had this really odd habit of resting with her mouth open right at the end of her ribcage (I think the vet referred to it as flank sucking). We just thought it was something odd she did, nicknamed her Snakedog. We've been feeding her Horizon Complete dog food (Complete) since we brought her home although her previous owner had her on a whole foods diet. Her stools have always been pretty soft and when I took her in to the vet the following February, they recommended what I linked above. So about a month ago, the soft stools became chronic diarrhea and she ended up having an episode where she pooped a lot of this cloudy yellow liquid and we took her off the Horizon Complete entirely. She had also progressed from flank sucking to repeatedly quasi-biting the area past her rib cage and it started affecting her coat. She was doing it sometimes fairly soon after eating and sometimes 3-4 hours after being fed. We had Hill's Prescription Diet J/D (https://www.hillspet.ca/en-ca/dog-food/pd-jd-canine-dry) handy for our older dog, switched her to it; her stools firmed up almost immediately, and after about a week she stopped attacking herself. However, two months with this dog food and her stools have started becoming soft again and she's still very uncomfortable sometimes, licking the same area until it's completely sodden. Both those dog foods are chicken based, should we try transitioning to a food with a fish base? Is there anything we should have her tested for? She appears totally healthy otherwise although her coat could be shinier.
The flank sucking almost certainly has nothing to do with diet - that type of OCD behavior is not uncommon in Dobermans. In fact, Dobermans have been studied for their OCD behavior.

The food issue - you've obviously read this thread, and can decide about what you feel comfortable feeding. I personally wouldn't feed a prescription diet to a dog that it wasn't prescribed to. Have you had a thorough check up for her with fecal screening to make sure she doesn't have issues going on - parasites, etc.? Food allergies/sensitivities are actually fairly uncommon in dogs, so while it's possible that she's sensitive to chicken, I'd say it's unlikely. It's more likely that she has something undiagnosed (something like coccidia, giardia, etc), or that she's being overfed, or that she simply needs a different food. I know many, many Dobermans that do well on Proplan Sensitive Skin and Stomach, so I recommend that often (and it does happen to be fish based, so it would be a different protein, so that would fit your desire to switch).


DSC_0133
by Shanoa Delta, on Flickr

Richter & Sypha
Glengate's Mountain Fortress CAA L1V NW1 L1I L1E L1C NW2 L2V L2I ACT1 RATI WAC
& Sirai's Golden Masquerade NW1 L1C L1V NW2 RATI SOG WAC
“You cannot get through a single day without having an impact on the world around you.
What you do makes a difference, and you have to decide what kind of difference you want to make.”
― Jane Goodall
MeadowCat is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to MeadowCat For This Useful Post:
LadyDi (05-18-2019), Rosemary (05-17-2019)
post #32 of 36 (permalink) Old 05-18-2019, 07:08 AM
Alpha
 
LadyDi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,227
Location: Florida
Dogs Name: Hoss
Titles: Proud European Doberman
Dogs Age: 2
Gallery Pics: 3
Visit LadyDi's Gallery
Thanks: 16,989
Thanked 6,181 Times in 2,568 Posts
Images: 3
                     
Click here to find out how LadyDi became a supporter
Check out the other tread by Gamermouse titled “ Bland Diet” .....Gamer has been going through some pooper issues for some time.....
Check it out..........you might be able to learn some things through Gamers recent experiences.

Hoss
LadyDi is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to LadyDi For This Useful Post:
melbrod (05-22-2019)
post #33 of 36 (permalink) Old 05-22-2019, 10:51 AM
Big Pup
 
Saskdobie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 31
Location: Central Saskatchewan
Dogs Name: Kascha & Aloha
Titles: No
Dogs Age: 11.5 & 2
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Saskdobie's Gallery
Thanks: 0
Thanked 63 Times in 28 Posts
       
Click here to find out how Saskdobie became a supporter
I'll read through it! However, most of the issue turned out to be that my husband was still feeding her the old food to finish it off (whoever gets home first usually feeds the dogs). She started attacking herself Sunday night and I asked him if he had fed her the old food and that's what it turned out to be. I got it out of the house, her stools have firmed up again. She does tend to eat really fast so I'm going to try more meals with smaller amounts to see if that will end her sore stomach episodes. I don't think it's an OCD behavior because our older doberman does that and it's more of an 'I'm bored and it's something to do and it makes my claws really shiny!' behavior. Lois's is more 'this hurts and I'm trying to get it to stop hurting!'. I'll check into that Proplan Sensitive Skin and Stomach product as well. Thanks!
Saskdobie is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Saskdobie For This Useful Post:
LadyDi (05-22-2019), melbrod (05-22-2019)
post #34 of 36 (permalink) Old 05-22-2019, 11:12 AM
Alpha
 
ECIN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 4,057
Location: Indiana
Dogs Name: Kadin aka Mr. Business & Ali
Titles: Blue Ribbon's Every Day
Dogs Age: 2 & 9
Gallery Pics: 266
Visit ECIN's Gallery
Thanks: 8,769
Thanked 11,057 Times in 3,740 Posts
Images: 266
                     
Click here to find out how ECIN became a supporter
Quote:
Originally Posted by MeadowCat View Post
Let's try to keep this thread on topic - it's about food. The OP has been given good information, and s/he already has her/his dog. There's good information here on how to do health screenings for DCM and there's good information elsewhere on the forum on what else to screen for yearly (liver, kidneys, etc). No need to continue on the topic of what a breeder should or should not have done.

(Mod hat off)
Boy - Ole Doc thinks somebody - I won't say any names here - but got up on the wrong side of the bed
ECIN is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to ECIN For This Useful Post:
LadyDi (05-22-2019)
post #35 of 36 (permalink) Old 05-22-2019, 11:19 AM
Super Moderator
 
MeadowCat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 18,751
Location: MN
Dogs Name: Richter; Sypha; RIP Shanoa & Simon
Titles: Richter: CAA L1V NW1 L1I L1E L1C NW2 L2V ACT1 RATI WAC; Sypha: NW1 NW2 L1C L1V RATI SOG WAC
Dogs Age: d.o.b. 7/13/2012; d.o.b. 12/6/2015
Gallery Pics: 1
Visit MeadowCat's Gallery
Thanks: 45,867
Thanked 54,769 Times in 15,078 Posts
Images: 1
                     
Click here to find out how MeadowCat became a supporter
Quote:
Originally Posted by ECIN View Post
Boy - Ole Doc thinks somebody - I won't say any names here - but got up on the wrong side of the bed
Nope, someone's doing her Moderator duties....and that post was from May 5

Again, let's keep this on topic, or I'll close the thread.


DSC_0133
by Shanoa Delta, on Flickr

Richter & Sypha
Glengate's Mountain Fortress CAA L1V NW1 L1I L1E L1C NW2 L2V L2I ACT1 RATI WAC
& Sirai's Golden Masquerade NW1 L1C L1V NW2 RATI SOG WAC
“You cannot get through a single day without having an impact on the world around you.
What you do makes a difference, and you have to decide what kind of difference you want to make.”
― Jane Goodall
MeadowCat is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to MeadowCat For This Useful Post:
LadyDi (05-22-2019), melbrod (05-22-2019)
post #36 of 36 (permalink) Old 05-22-2019, 11:25 AM
Alpha
 
ECIN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 4,057
Location: Indiana
Dogs Name: Kadin aka Mr. Business & Ali
Titles: Blue Ribbon's Every Day
Dogs Age: 2 & 9
Gallery Pics: 266
Visit ECIN's Gallery
Thanks: 8,769
Thanked 11,057 Times in 3,740 Posts
Images: 266
                     
Click here to find out how ECIN became a supporter
Quote:
Originally Posted by MeadowCat View Post
Nope, someone's doing her Moderator duties....and that post was from May 5

Again, let's keep this on topic, or I'll close the thread.
MC - I was just kidding with yeah - Think I had better get back to work before I get into trouble here
ECIN is offline  
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to ECIN For This Useful Post:
Coco Loco (05-22-2019), LadyDi (05-22-2019), MeadowCat (05-22-2019), melbrod (05-22-2019)
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome