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If all they did was a Buccal Mucosal Bleeding Time test, then that is definitely not accurate for saying whether or not a dog has vWD, as there are a lot of other things that can cause a dog to have a slow clotting time, including parasites and some medications.

If the did an ELISA test, they measured the amount of vWD factor that was currently in the bloodstream. Again, not a completely accurate test as to whether not not a dog is genetically affected.
I don’t remember what it was called.. when they took her back into the room they shows us in her mouth it was still bleeding and said she was positive.. ofcourse this is al new to us.. I was super concern I had NOOO IDEA what vWD was yet and then told us they could still do her ears and we would just have to pay another $200 for a shot before and after surgery to clot.. I was so nervous the whole time that day... like a child in surgery!

Anyways.. I obviously don’t trust that quick test after reading about it and want to do the DNA test because if this is something she actually has I want to be prepared etc! It will be frustrating if she is ok.. I did call my friend, who I got her from and asked if her parents had it she said no.. I can’t wait to know if she does or not!

I can honestly say going thru all we have.. I will be getting any other dobies from a breeder with all the good genetics!! Already looking into one in Oregon that “John” here in DT recommended!! I’ll be saving up!!
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M-D - Just seen your pictures you posted up - In the first set - Her eyes look bright and observant - Like Cressrb said - she really don't look that skinny - Really in the second set - she has the build of her mom to me .

One thing you can do when she goes to the Vet is take in a stool sample and have them run a parasite test on it - this will help rule out any unseen problems + they will have it and can start the test - no need for to make a return trip . BTW - take a fresh one - no 2 day old stuff .

I agree with all the other replies - she just may not be a big built gal .

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M-D - Just seen your pictures you posted up - In the first set - Her eyes look bright and observant - Like Cressrb said - she really don't look that skinny - Really in the second set - she has the build of her mom to me .

One thing you can do when she goes to the Vet is take in a stool sample and have them run a parasite test on it - this will help rule out any unseen problems + they will have it and can start the test - no need for to make a return trip . BTW - take a fresh one - no 2 day old stuff .

I agree with all the other replies - she just may not be a big built gal .

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Oh that’s a fantastic idea!! I would love to just rule out any issues!

She really is super active and happy! And I don’t mind at all if she’s smart built! I asked my friend to send me better pix of her parents Mary and Mac!! She’s working on it later haha!

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I don’t remember what it was called.. when they took her back into the room they shows us in her mouth it was still bleeding and said she was positive.. ofcourse this is al new to us.. I was super concern I had NOOO IDEA what vWD was yet and then told us they could still do her ears and we would just have to pay another $200 for a shot before and after surgery to clot.. I was so nervous the whole time that day... like a child in surgery!

Anyways.. I obviously don’t trust that quick test after reading about it and want to do the DNA test because if this is something she actually has I want to be prepared etc! It will be frustrating if she is ok.. I did call my friend, who I got her from and asked if her parents had it she said no.. I can’t wait to know if she does or not!

I can honestly say going thru all we have.. I will be getting any other dobies from a breeder with all the good genetics!! Already looking into one in Oregon that “John” here in DT recommended!! I’ll be saving up!!
Sounds like the Buccal Mucosal Bleeding Time test. The fact that they immediately said that she has vWD after that shows that they don't really understand it, either.

With the DNA test, there are three possible outcomes: -/-, called clear, meaning they will not have any bleeding risk associated with vWD; -/+, called carrier, also meaning that they will not have any bleeding risk from vWD, but may pass along the affected gene to their offspring; or +/+, called affected or genetically affect, meaning that they may be at risk for abnormal bleeding, aka clinically affected. There are plenty of genetically affected dogs that are not clinically affected.

vWD is one of the fastest and easiest screening tests for Dobermans, and even if you don't plan on breeding, knowing your pet's genetic vWD status can make future vet care a lot easier, and in a lot of cases, cheaper, because you will know they won't need any special treatment to help with clotting.

As I mentioned earlier, there are other things that can affect clotting time, so the gum test might be a good idea even in a clear or carrier dog if there are any concerns about clotting time.


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I don’t remember what it was called.. when they took her back into the room they shows us in her mouth it was still bleeding and said she was positive.. ofcourse this is al new to us.. I was super concern I had NOOO IDEA what vWD was yet and then told us they could still do her ears and we would just have to pay another $200 for a shot before and after surgery to clot.. I was so nervous the whole time that day... like a child in surgery!

Anyways.. I obviously don’t trust that quick test after reading about it and want to do the DNA test because if this is something she actually has I want to be prepared etc! It will be frustrating if she is ok.. I did call my friend, who I got her from and asked if her parents had it she said no.. I can’t wait to know if she does or not!

I can honestly say going thru all we have.. I will be getting any other dobies from a breeder with all the good genetics!! Already looking into one in Oregon that “John” here in DT recommended!! I’ll be saving up!!
Sounds like the Buccal Mucosal Bleeding Time test. The fact that they immediately said that she has vWD after that shows that they don't really understand it, either.

With the DNA test, there are three possible outcomes: -/-, called clear, meaning they will not have any bleeding risk associated with vWD; -/+, called carrier, also meaning that they will not have any bleeding risk from vWD, but may pass along the affected gene to their offspring; or +/+, called affected or genetically affect, meaning that they may be at risk for abnormal bleeding, aka clinically affected. There are plenty of genetically affected dogs that are not clinically affected.

vWD is one of the fastest and easiest screening tests for Dobermans, and even if you don't plan on breeding, knowing your pet's genetic vWD status can make future vet care a lot easier, and in a lot of cases, cheaper, because you will know they won't need any special treatment to help with clotting.

As I mentioned earlier, there are other things that can affect clotting time, so the gum test might be a good idea even in a clear or carrier dog if there are any concerns about clotting time.
Thanks so much you really know how to explain things well! I absolutely want to know for her future stuff like getting spayed etc. no babies for my girl!
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Question.. I can’t seem to find what “lbs” I should be feeding my girl of RAW???? I saw something that said .8lbs which IMO can’t possibly be right?? That’s like three little pieces of cut meat.. like three bites! I got a scale so I can weigh her food.. I’m dedicated for sure!! But thought I’d ask how many pounds she should be having of raw. I give her meat.. organs.. veggies and fruits. So not just meat if that makes sense!

She’s LOVING her new food! She eats everything in speed record time haha!! Her poo looks great!! And has gone two nights (finally) without peeing or pooping in her crate!! We have had a big issue with her going poddy in crate so I’m super excited that she waits!! She has always peed before going in.. then pees a little right when she’s in before laying down.. like seriously Morticia?? Not cool haha! So I’m so happy she’s not going anymore!

Also poops less thank goodness! Raw has already made some positive changes! Just want to make sure I’m giving her not too much.. not too little. I feed twice a day.

....and.... GO HAHA!! Throw that info at me! And all that advice that I so love!! 💕
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I am not a raw feeder, so this is just something I found on the internet, and I'm not necessarily vouching for what it says....but it might give you an idea where to start:

https://dogsfirst.ie/raw-faq/how-muc...i-feed-my-dog/
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It's really hard to tell from photos but I think she is probably at an okay weight. She is light on bone like her parents and her chest is very shallow so I think that's why you are worried. These are things that are just part of her physical structure not her well being so nothing to fret over. I would still have her in to the vet to de worm her.
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I think I am a more casual type feeder. Kind of got that way after raising five children, too. I just decided to toss Dr. Spock and look at the kids instead of the book.
So for one of my pups at the same age, I would feed 1/2 lb. three times a day. If he gobbles it down and does not leave any - good. After a week look at your puppy
and if his ribs are covered you are doing good. If he acts starved and you see ribs, you need to feed more. At six months of age, I feed twice a day and I would be giving
1 lb AM and 1 lb PM. And that is what my adults are getting right now.

My meat comes packaged in 1 lb units which makes it very easy. I don't weigh anything.
Feed at the same time every day if possible. Don't make the PM feeding close to bedtime.
Cut back on the water an hr before bedtime, too.

Now, you don't have to follow these instructions. I'm just relating how we do it here.

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How much does your puppy currently weigh? Are you feeding 3 times a day. I feed my 10 week old boy 3 meals a day. You should be feeding 5 to 8% of her weight per day with raw broken up into the 2 to 3 meals you feed per day.

My boy is 20lbs. He should eat 1.6lbs of raw a day. I feed him 3 times a day. He gets just over a half a pound of food per meal. He is very active and is looking a little slim so I'm feeding 8% of his body weight.

He has been wormed 3 times and his fecal is clear of all parasites so I know he's getting all of the food. You should get a fecal done on her to make sure she is parasite free. Are you sure of her age because she looks a little younger to me.

If you haven't done so, you really should take triciakoontz up on her offer to speak to you on the phone since she has been a raw feeder for 25 years.

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Thanks so much you really know how to explain things well! I absolutely want to know for her future stuff like getting spayed etc. no babies for my girl!
And, I just got a notification from GenSol--one of the genetic labs I told you about earlier--they presently have a special running (I didn't even look to see what tests are offered but it's worth checking their web site to see since you are going to be in the market for a vWD test.

Their website is GenSol Diagnositics and their regular price for a Doberman vWD type 1 (all Dobermans are Type 1) test is either $40 or $45 so check them out--they always have the best deal in down on any test they offer.

Absolutely great explanation from Rosemary...

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How much does your puppy currently weigh? Are you feeding 3 times a day. I feed my 10 week old boy 3 meals a day. You should be feeding 5 to 8% of her weight per day with raw broken up into the 2 to 3 meals you feed per day.

My boy is 20lbs. He should eat 1.6lbs of raw a day. I feed him 3 times a day. He gets just over a half a pound of food per meal. He is very active and is looking a little slim so I'm feeding 8% of his body weight.

He has been wormed 3 times and his fecal is clear of all parasites so I know he's getting all of the food. You should get a fecal done on her to make sure she is parasite free. Are you sure of her age because she looks a little younger to me.

If you haven't done so, you really should take triciakoontz up on her offer to speak to you on the phone since she has been a raw feeder for 25 years.
Positive of her age as I bought her from a friend! Born November 19, 2018!

A fecal is a good idea she goes into vet tomorrow for shots going to ask! And also will know her current weight

And I messaged her but unsure if I did it right lol!
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Thanks so much you really know how to explain things well! I absolutely want to know for her future stuff like getting spayed etc. no babies for my girl!
And, I just got a notification from GenSol--one of the genetic labs I told you about earlier--they presently have a special running (I didn't even look to see what tests are offered but it's worth checking their web site to see since you are going to be in the market for a vWD test.

Their website is GenSol Diagnositics and their regular price for a Doberman vWD type 1 (all Dobermans are Type 1) test is either $40 or $45 so check them out--they always have the best deal in down on any test they offer.

Absolutely great explanation from Rosemary...

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I’ll look tonight! I get check tomorrow so perfect time to order!! Thanks so very much!!
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It's really hard to tell from photos but I think she is probably at an okay weight. She is light on bone like her parents and her chest is very shallow so I think that's why you are worried. These are things that are just part of her physical structure not her well being so nothing to fret over. I would still have her in to the vet to de worm her.
Thanks so much! Makes sense if that’s her genetics!! I just wana make sure I’m not starving my girl!! And yes I’ll be looking into that. I may call ahead and ask Incase I need to bring a sample or anything!
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I think I am a more casual type feeder. Kind of got that way after raising five children, too. I just decided to toss Dr. Spock and look at the kids instead of the book.
So for one of my pups at the same age, I would feed 1/2 lb. three times a day. If he gobbles it down and does not leave any - good. After a week look at your puppy
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My meat comes packaged in 1 lb units which makes it very easy. I don't weigh anything.
Feed at the same time every day if possible. Don't make the PM feeding close to bedtime.
Cut back on the water an hr before bedtime, too.

Now, you don't have to follow these instructions. I'm just relating how we do it here.
Thanks so much! I just want to know what others are feeding and take notes! I for sure pay attention to her body and the way she acts to see and she is super playful and active.. I’m sure im giving her enough just want to give too much because she will scarf it down!!

Great idea about the weight on the package
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I am not a raw feeder, so this is just something I found on the internet, and I'm not necessarily vouching for what it says....but it might give you an idea where to start:

https://dogsfirst.ie/raw-faq/how-muc...i-feed-my-dog/
Haha thanks!!! I’ll look at it!! Also will be asking my vet but since you all are so knowledgeable.. I come here too!!
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Just be aware that a lot of vets do not agree or support raw feeding so you may not get a positive reaction.
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Thanks! I’m prepared for that. UT won’t change my mind about it!! So we will see that they say!!
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Thanks! I’m prepared for that. UT won’t change my mind about it!! So we will see that they say!!
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In the first instance I would automatically speak to your veterinary surgeon.
I was lucky to have an excellent rapport with my own.
If I ever had a dog that was below par with its weight,after ruling everything else out I would add a couple of ounces of brown rice to its feed (white rice if intolerant). This always worked where appropriate for me.
I also included 2ounces of sheep fat (from the shoulder).
From the pictures, your dog does not look underweight.

A dog is not happy until it is trained,add to this a routine and you should have a recipe for happiness.🎓
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She doesn't look that thin to me based on what you said. My only personnel experience with my bitch that was highly active ( yes, we feed raw also) I needed to put weight on her for shows and was told to try "satin balls" which the ones I made with molasses she wouldn't eat. I ended up feeding her full chicken thighs with the skin and that helped. At least one per day and were in addition to her normal meal.

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