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5mo Doberman having allergies

My 5month old Doberman who's name is Pablo was perfect when I brought him home. However soon after the transition process I switched him off what his breeder had been feeding him to raw dog food. Again everything seemed to be going well. At Pablo's veterinarian visit the vet told me to not feed him raw dog food, as it could carry salmonella and my kids could be susceptible to the bacteria by touching Pablo's mouth. I listened (regretting it now) and switched to a friends dog food company he personal owns. Shortly after I realized Pablo was itching everywhere. Up all night, moaning as he scratched. He began to loose his hair on his legs and chest with bald spots. The vet believed it was allergies and suggested switching his food once again. After many sleepless nights and his skin getting worse I found 'HALO' dog brand. Its usually tucked away in a small Petco corner by the all natural dog food options.

Nothing seemed to be changing and Pablo was miserable so I found an animal dermatologist. After examining him the dermatologist thought he was suffering from mange, even though the tests came back negative. We began Nexgard immediately with showers every few days. A few weeks later the mange... if thats what it was, seemed to not be as bad but Pablo was still scratching, and loosing hair around his legs and the sides of his belly. After a second visit to the dermatologist they decided if it was mange it had now been treated and was gone. "Pablo's scratching must be from allergies" and thats when they suggested I put him on Royal Canin Hydrolyzed Protein strict diet. No treats or bones of any kind, no table scraps.

Pablo has now been on this Royal Canin Hydrolyzed diet for about 4days. He is suffering from horrible diarrhea and even soiled his bed last night. He was eating yesterday and pooped himself while he ate. I feel horrible for him! My husband was obviously concerned so he did some research and many reviews on this CRAP food are customers complaining about their own dogs vomiting, foaming at the mouth, diarrhea, and one even mentioned death!! Im in shock! If anyone has any safe recommendations for a natural approach to help Pablo with his scratching & allergies ...IM LISTENING!!
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For now I would feed him boiled chicken or LEAN ground beef/bison (drain all the fat) and brown rice to settle his stomach. If he was doing so well on raw why don't you go back to raw??? That may be your answer to everything, it can't hurt to try given how bad things currently are.
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There's some excellent tips for handling the raw food on this website: https://www.cdc.gov/features/pet-food-safety/index.html

There was also a previous thread with respect to dealing with allergies here: https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberma...chy-dobie.html
The poster obviously has a completely different issue but there's good advice on natural products that might help.

Have you considered that his skin allergies might be separate from his digestive issues? I had a coworker with a baby that had similar issues to what you're describing and it turned out to be caused by levels of a specific bacteria in their drinking water (caused by recent repairs to the town's water lines) that didn't affect the adults but did affect the baby. What is the source of your drinking water compared to what your breeder was using? Water sources high in sulfates can have a laxative effect that wouldn't affect you and your family because your bodies are used to it (and you have higher body masses) but might affect a puppy.

Also it could be related to whatever he comes into contact with, e.g. bedding washed with a particular detergent. His environment would also have totally changed when he changed homes. I would probably get his diet stabilized and if he's still having skin issues, I would start slowly changing other things he comes into contact with and see if you can identify the issue.

Also our female has been experiencing extremely itchy skin for the past year and she's been very successful on Apoquel.
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Many allergies that effect a young pup will eventually go away as the immune system develops.
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Also it could be related to whatever he comes into contact with, e.g. bedding washed with a particular detergent. His environment would also have totally changed when he changed homes. I would probably get his diet stabilized and if he's still having skin issues, I would start slowly changing other things he comes into contact with and see if you can identify the issue....
I hadn't really thought of that, but especially considering that the hair loss is on feet, belly and sides, and seemed to happen almost overnight, I would consider whether the culprit could be something like carpet cleaner, laundry soap, floor cleaner, disinfectant of some sort, air freshener.....
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Ask your vet about Purina ProPlan Focus. Iv'e run across several folks who fed it to their dogs successfully.

Hmmm...I thing dobebug has fed it to her dogs (?). Maybe she will chime in.

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Edit to say: it's carried by Chewy. Here is a link: https://www.chewy.com/purina-pro-pla...iABEgIL0_D_BwE
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ocqbn, you didn't mention in your post what color your doberman puppy was. It may be totally irrelevant, but any sort of brief search will mention fawns and blues are prone to skin conditions, sometimes severe, sometimes starting very early in life.

And sometimes it can be pretty difficult to figure out exactly what the issue is. We had two dobies, one black, one brown, and about four years ago the fur on the back half of our black dobie turned brown while the brown dobie looked totally fine. It was literally a line starting halfway down her abdomen going all the way around and her entire hindquarters. It didn't seem to bother her but we had no idea what was causing the issue so we took her to the vet. He took some pictures but had no clue. It turned out to be that our dryer vent was too close to the natural gas line coming into the house. We had a massive gas leak just outside the house and when the wind blew towards the house, it went in through the dryer vent and coated anything being dried there, including our bedding, their bedding, and our sofa covers. Within a month after having the leak fixed we had a black dobie and a brown dobie again.

Finally, changing diets takes a LONG time, about 2 months has been my experience. It's far easier on an animal if you introduce changes slowly rather than ahem, go cold turkey. Think if you switched your family from your usual diet to one of all McDonald food all the time or all East Indian or all Chinese or anything that's completely new to their stomachs and digestive systems. They have bacteria that's adjusted to be most efficient with the current diet and then you change it. Bam, those populations go completely wonky as the bacteria that respond well to the new food go crazy and the bacteria that don't gradually starve. They have to reach a new equilibrium, starting from the stomach and working their way down.
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Ask your vet about Purina ProPlan Focus. Iv'e run across several folks who fed it to their dogs successfully.

Hmmm...I thing dobebug has fed it to her dogs (?). Maybe she will chime in.

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ProPlan Focus is my go to food for most of my dogs and has been for years. It isn't to say that the Focus line is suitable for all dogs but in general I've had very good luck. My fawn dog (who is now 13) was weaned on the the Focus Sensitive Skin and Stomach--it's a salmon and rice formula I've also fed the chicken and rice formula--those are the two I use the most.

Saskdobie--I'd have to disagree with you about skin problems being more common in the dilute dogs--my fawn, for the record, has a full coat--he is hypothyroid and was loosing hair until we got his appropriate meds at the right level and he grew all the missing hair back. My personal opinion is that a lot of vets never check thyroid on dilutes with thinning hair--they just tell the owners it's because they are blue or fawn and they'll have to live with it.

I've been watching dilute Dobes for 50 years and anecdotally I've never seen any evidence that they actually have more skin problems than blacks or reds.
And I've yet to find a study that actually give proof that they have more skin issues.

What you say about your puppy sounds a whole lot more like inhalent or contact allergies. Food sensitivities take a while to show up--allergies even longer.

And about fully hydrolized foods--I have a cat who is allergic to food--and has been living on RC HA or Purina HF (another fully hydrolysed food) for 14 years.

I'll have to come back to this later--at the library and I've run out of time.
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