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Liver Levels on Raw Food

For those of you that feed raw - what are the ALT (liver) levels for your Doberman? We just got some blood test results back and the vet says Scotia's liver levels are high since the last time we checked (up to 400 from 135). We started feeding raw about 6 months ago. I understand this would be higher with a raw diet because she is processing so much protein but what is normal on a raw diet? Any other ALT level readings would be good to compare so please share! Thank you.
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For those of you that feed raw - what are the ALT (liver) levels for your Doberman? We just got some blood test results back and the vet says Scotia's liver levels are high since the last time we checked (up to 400 from 135). We started feeding raw about 6 months ago. I understand this would be higher with a raw diet because she is processing so much protein but what is normal on a raw diet? Any other ALT level readings would be good to compare so please share! Thank you.
I don't feed raw but I do work in a vet clinic and we deal with dogs with liver problems regularly.

Have you discussed feeding raw with your vet or your dogs specialist (if he has one)? I know that raw is not usually recommended as regular diet for dogs with liver issues and three years ago had the opportunity to see why.

One of our patients, a Standard Poodle Male, who was at the time about 4 years old who had been diagnosed with the liver issue two years earlier was switched to raw by his owner on the recommendation of a friend who told her that raw was the way to fix things. The dog had been doing well on liver specific prescription diet and the ALT and other indicators showed that the liver disease was relatively well controlled.

About 6 weeks into the raw diet the dog started being symptomatic (which was how he had been dx'd in the first place--they ran a blood panel and the liver indicators were very high. Our vet recommended that the dog be returned to the prescription liver diet which didn't happen as the friend insisted the dog hadn't been on raw long enough to see the results.

Over the next 4 months the dog lost a bunch of weight and the blood panels got worse--finally two of our vets sat down with the client and told her that she was basically killing her dog who had been doing well on a prescription liver diet which had provided good control of the disease.

Thank heavens she believed them and decided to go back to the original diet--her dog slowly recovered and is now close to 10 the prescription diet has done an excellent job of controlling the liver problems.

I know every case is different but if you haven't fully discussed the raw diet with his vet or a specialist you might want to do that if the ALT is going up.
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Our girl (almost 6 y/o) had an over-worked Liver, because of on-going soft stools (since puppy) / the premium kibble, was too rich in meat protein.
- finally the senior skilled Vet, made a proper diagnosis
- she needs white Fish protein, instead of red meat &/or chicken based
- so we found her home-made kibble, made in a human grade certified facility & top quality ingredients
- problem solved / kibble diet is 24% protein...and not in the mid 30's

Vet said, our girl needed a Low Protein/ High Carb diet...he was so right, a miracle recovery in 3-4 days.
(he went to a weekend Vet seminar in TX, on these problems & was quick to change her diet)
- but the Vet Hills i/d kibble made her sick (Prescription kibble really expanded like a sponge, when mixed with stomach acid), so link to Kelly's new Surf & Turf dry food below...made in Canada
- she is on her 3rd ten pound box of kibble, and diarrhea &/or soft stools are a thing of the past / with perfect stools

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Tonight I offered help // a 5 month old puppy, on Orijen fighting constant diarrhea.
- so I am documenting, my lessons learned here
- Kelly also switched from Acana, to Orijen Regional Red, to Nulo, protein was much too high for her

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We fought soft stools & off/on diarrhea for over 5 years / checked liver #'s, stool samples negative, extensive blood work was negative...always used premium 4-5 star kibble (Orijen Regional Red), home cooking & 5 star dried liver treats, changed kibble few times, tried grain free (no better) / finally a gifted Vet surgeon checked out Kelly girl, and knew exactly what she needed...she needed a LOW PROTEIN (24% max.)//HIGH CARB diet. Sending kisses & hugs to Tupac xoxooxoxoxooo from Canada...I will be back ‎Ainzley, going to find a link, to Kelly's awesome home-made healthy kibble. Even 12 y/o little Trevor (sons YorkiePoo) loves the new food. Kelly has had a 100% recovery, perfect stools all the time now.

- read my Post #88, and order the food online Surf and turf - HomeMade Pets Foods
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberma...s-ideas-4.html
- read my Post #22 // Topic - Acana/Orijen - too much copper
https://www.dobermantalk.com/food-fe...ch-copper.html

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Oven-baked surf and turf dog food - Ingredients
Ocean fish, Green lentils, Deboned pork, Pork liver, Rolled oats, White rice, Barley, Apples, Carrots, Sunflower oil, Fresh eggs, Broccoli, Sweet potatoes, Cranberries, Thyme, Rosemary, Vitamins and minerals
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