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I have researched on google so much and got no answers.
I can't understand how much to feed my pup.
He is now 5 months old, and on the Purina Pro Plan Focus for puppies it shows 2-3 1/3.
Is it per day? or per feeding? How many times a day should we feed him?

We were told when we got him to feed him 4 times a day, but it was 2 months ago.
So we started to make it 3 times? or 2? I can't tell with those charts, they are not helpful at all.
We were giving him 1,5 cup to 2 per meal 3 times a day but it seems quite a lot to me?
He weights about 27kg right now. And his shape is ideal from our point of view and the vet's.

He was given food at 7 am, 1 pm, 6pm and 10 pm to make it 4. Now it's about 7am, 2 pm and 8/9 pm.
But since he is eating 3 times per day we encountered issue with him vomiting in the mornings and so he does not eat his morning meal, but does eat every other mean throughout the day with appetite. He behaves normally too.
To clarify, him vomiting happened just 2 times so far. Yesterday and today morning.
Does he have too long of a break in the feeding times and so he vomits in the morning?
I am very concerned because we struggled with his loose poop for some time and it went back to normal after giving him probiotics, it got better and we have 2 left, but now he is vomiting.

Please let me know what seems to be wrong in this schedule of feedings. It makes me worried that there is some issues with him all the time did anyone go through this?
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This question comes up alot and I have asked it to my vet: How much do I feed my dog.........here's the scoop......
every dog is different and it's all relative to what the dog is doing each day. For instance....a herding dog on a farm....probably would need more nutrition than say a dog who's sole purpose is a family pet.

Your Vet is a great sounding board........to determine if more or less is needed. Some vets will allow you to use their office scale allowing you to monitor the weight more frequently ..even if they have no office visit scheduled.

My dog Hoss ...at 5 months 1 cup in the AM.....one cup at lunchtime....1 cup at dinner.......as he hit 8 months we started AM and PM only .......1.5 cups each feeding.......Hoss is now 2.5 years and he gets 2 cups in the AM and 2 Cups in the PM.......

I am sure more will chime in on this topic......

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The suggested amounts on the bag are a good starting place.

I'm looking at the Pro Plan Focus Large Breed Puppy. The 2 to 3 1/3 cups is the total amount for the day. How you divide that into meals is up to you, but at five months, he can be on either two or three meals a day. So take the total amount you are feeding, and divide it into two or three, and feed the divided amount for each meal.

Now, like I said, the suggested amounts are a starting point. If you are feeding the recommended amount, and he looks too thin (all ribs easily seen, bony points obvious) then up the amount, even if it goes over what it says on the bag. On the other hand, if he starts looking too pudgy (you can't see any ribs, and it takes a bit of effort to feel them), then you need to cut back a bit.

If he is vomiting bile in the morning (hunger pukes), then a small snack at bedtime (a large biscuit, maybe) can help.
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That may not be enough. My puppy has eaten 4 to 5 1/2 cups of a high calorie food per day since he was about 4 months.
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RECOMMENDED DAILY FEEDING AMOUNTS
Using a standard 8 oz/250 ml measuring cup which contains approximately 112 g of Pro Plan.

Puppies start to nibble solid foods at 3 - 4 weeks of age. Keep moistened Pro Plan available at all times. Allow your puppy to eat at will until fully weaned (6 - 8 weeks). After weaning, Pro Plan can be fed moistened or dry. For best results, develop a regular feeding schedule such as three small meals a day for younger puppies. You can gradually reduce to one feeding in the morning and one in the evening as your puppy ages. The routine should not vary. As puppies near adulthood, their calorie needs may drop, and your puppy may begin leaving some food in the bowl. Don't misinterpret this as an indication of dislike for the food. Instead, begin offering less so your puppy doesn't overeat and stays in ideal body condition.

Nestlé Purina Research indicates that avoiding overfeeding of puppies may help their development. Maintaining ideal body condition is key to encouraging proper growth in all puppies, especially large breeds. The indicated amounts are only a guideline. If your puppy becomes overweight, a reduction of your puppy’s daily food intake may be appropriate. You may wish to consult your veterinarian about a weight control program.


Purina is also great about answering questions- you can email or call their customer service center and they can help you out.
My dog has been on Pro Plan Sport 30/20 his whole life- As a puppy (until ~8 months) I split his recommended daily feedings in to 3 meals, plus a little baggie to use for boring training treats.
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Vomiting yesterday and then today (only) has me a bit concerned whether anything else is going on....is there the possibility he has eaten something he shouldn't have (toys, clothing, a lot of grass, leaves, etc? I gather his poop is reasonably normal, but have you seen any at all since he started vomiting?

Sometimes a dog will vomit bile in the morning if it has been too long between his feedings, in which case a little snack before bedtime (dog biscuit, etc) might help calm down his tummy.

I would think by his age, you may be able start to feed twice a day, the same amount only just divided into 2 feedings instead of three. A lot of the time when a dog is ready to eat fewer times a day, he will start skipping his midday meal or not be as interested in eating all of his meals. But of course, some dogs are pigs and will eat anything you put in front of him anytime you give it to them. LOL

How is his weight doing? You should be able to see his last couple of ribs, feel the rest without a fat layer between his skin, see a tuckup from the side and a waist in front of his hips from the top. You should not be seeing rolls of fat where his neck joins his body or in front of the tail, a flat (fullish looking) or sagging tummy, or alternatively, his hip bones or spine really sticking out.

Puppies do go up and down in terms of how they look, pudgy one week, lanky the next, depending on where they are in their growth cycle, but in general slightly underweight is better than overweight as they grow.
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This question comes up alot and I have asked it to my vet: How much do I feed my dog.........here's the scoop......
every dog is different and it's all relative to what the dog is doing each day. For instance....a herding dog on a farm....probably would need more nutrition than say a dog who's sole purpose is a family pet.

Your Vet is a great sounding board........to determine if more or less is needed. Some vets will allow you to use their office scale allowing you to monitor the weight more frequently ..even if they have no office visit scheduled.

My dog Hoss ...at 5 months 1 cup in the AM.....one cup at lunchtime....1 cup at dinner.......as he hit 8 months we started AM and PM only .......1.5 cups each feeding.......Hoss is now 2.5 years and he gets 2 cups in the AM and 2 Cups in the PM.......

I am sure more will chime in on this topic......
The vet has said that he looks good as we always check his weight. He gained lots of weight withing last 2 months because he was extremely skinny when we got him, so we had to catch up with the meals so he maintains the right weight. But now we increased the amount of meals too so I was confused.


as per meals, i think the way you were doing it will be working for us as well
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That may not be enough. My puppy has eaten 4 to 5 1/2 cups of a high calorie food per day since he was about 4 months.
we were feeding him about 6 cups a day as we thought the chart shows the portion per meal, just recently i started thinking that it is a lot of food and something is odd LOL !!
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RECOMMENDED DAILY FEEDING AMOUNTS
Using a standard 8 oz/250 ml measuring cup which contains approximately 112 g of Pro Plan.

Puppies start to nibble solid foods at 3 - 4 weeks of age. Keep moistened Pro Plan available at all times. Allow your puppy to eat at will until fully weaned (6 - 8 weeks). After weaning, Pro Plan can be fed moistened or dry. For best results, develop a regular feeding schedule such as three small meals a day for younger puppies. You can gradually reduce to one feeding in the morning and one in the evening as your puppy ages. The routine should not vary. As puppies near adulthood, their calorie needs may drop, and your puppy may begin leaving some food in the bowl. Don't misinterpret this as an indication of dislike for the food. Instead, begin offering less so your puppy doesn't overeat and stays in ideal body condition.

Nestlé Purina Research indicates that avoiding overfeeding of puppies may help their development. Maintaining ideal body condition is key to encouraging proper growth in all puppies, especially large breeds. The indicated amounts are only a guideline. If your puppy becomes overweight, a reduction of your puppy’s daily food intake may be appropriate. You may wish to consult your veterinarian about a weight control program.


Purina is also great about answering questions- you can email or call their customer service center and they can help you out.
My dog has been on Pro Plan Sport 30/20 his whole life- As a puppy (until ~8 months) I split his recommended daily feedings in to 3 meals, plus a little baggie to use for boring training treats.

Thank you for the advice, guess he just had too much food as he was leaving it behind...
were you using the dog food also as treats? Boss does not do good in training if it's his regular daily food, he has to have some yummy snacks !
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In general most of my puppies are on 2 meals a day by the time they are 5 months--as Melbrod says above--I reduce the number of meals when they start leaving or not eating one of them--almost almost always the middle meal.

I don't feed a puppy food at all--I feed adult and this works for me and my dogs but some puppies need a puppy food--Dobe puppies should be on a large breed puppy food if you are feeding a puppy food instead of an all life stages adult.

I feed (and have fed) ProPlan Sensistive Skin and Stomach (it's the salmon formula) and it's been my fall back food for years now.

The bag recommendations are really only a starting point--dogs nutritional requirements vary so much from dog to dog there isn't a hard and fast rule about how much to feed at what age. Looking at the puppy is much more informative.

Most of my Dobe puppies have been eating between 1-1/2 and 2 cups per meals by the time they are five months. The male puppies tend to need a lot more food between 6 and around 18 months and some of mine have been eating as much as 4 to 6 cups per meal the peak of a growth period.

Most of my adult males end up eating 2 cups per meal feeding twice a day.

The point of puppies growing and looking different from day to day--round roly poly guys one and and three days later looking like colts--all long legs and peanut bodies is really true.

Also I agree that talking to your vet about how much to feed a puppy that the vet sees is really good advice.

The vomiting in the mornings has been covered--just make sure if it started suddenly and continues that you make sure to have it checked with your vet to make sure it's not a partial blockage (puppies don't just eat their food they eat everything). But early morning vomiting isn't uncommon--means they have an empty stomach and the gastric juices can cause an irritation. I feed 12 hours apart (5:30 am and 5:30 pm) and rarely have this problem but if there is a big gap between the last meal and the morning meal and the dog is vomiting you can either give a busciut or rearrange the feeding schedule so the dog is getting meals more evenly spaced.

Good luck...just keep looking at him to see how he looks--you want covered but not by rolls of fat.

PS My dogs all think their own kibble is fine for a training treat but for classes I use much more wonderful, high calorie stuff and reduce the regular meal by 1/4 cup of kibble.
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Vomiting yesterday and then today (only) has me a bit concerned whether anything else is going on....is there the possibility he has has eaten something he shouldn't have (toys, clothing, a lot of grass, leave, etc? I gather his poop is reasonably normal, but have you seen any at all since he started vomiting?

Sometimes a dog will vomit bile in the morning if it has been too long between his feedings, in which case a little snack before bedtime (dog bicuit, etc) might help calm down his tummy.

I would think by his age, you may be able start to feed twice a day, the same amount only just divided into 2 feedings instead of three. A lot of the time when a dog is ready to eat fewer times a day, he will start skipping his midday meal or not be as interested in eating for all of his meals. But of course, some dogs are pigs and will eat anything you put in front of him anytime you give it to them. LOL

How is his weight doing? You should be able to see his last couple of ribs, feel the rest without a fat layer between his skin, see a tuckup from the side and a waist in front of his hips from the top. You should not be seeing rolls of fat where his neck joins his body or in front of the tail, a flat (fullish looking) or sagging tummy, or alternatively, his hip bones or spine really sticking out.

Puppies do go up and down in terms of how they look, pudgy one week, lanky the next, depending on where they are in their growth cycle, but in general slightly underweight is better than overweight as they grow.

It is hard to say if he could have eaten something.. We always watch him if he has something in his mouth we instantly take it out. He does it grass though!
I think it might be right, too long between his meals as he vomited bile today morning. We just changed his eating routine from 4 meals to 3, so it might be a long period of time. We will try giving him some snack tonight and see how he feels tomorrow morning!

His weight is good, almost 30kg soon enough most likely! we check his weight every time we go to the vet and monitor it. We were told his weight is ideal and he looks good. When we got him at 3 months he weighted a bit over 15kg... all of his ribs were visible.. and some bones. We caught up with his weight in 2 months quite well, but I do not want to get him overweight since it seems like we were overfeeding him a little. So far he is not so I am glad we will be able to avoid it, thanks to the info received here!!

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In general most of my puppies are on 2 meals a day by the time they are 5 months--as Melbrod says above--I reduce the number of meals when they start leaving or not eating one of them--almost almost always the middle meal.

I don't feed a puppy food at all--I feed adult and this works for me and my dogs but some puppies need a puppy food--Dobe puppies should be on a large breed puppy food if you are feeding a puppy food instead of an all life stages adult.

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The bag recommendations are really only a starting point--dogs nutritional requirements vary so much from dog to dog there isn't a hard and fast rule about how much to feed at what age. Looking at the puppy is much more informative.

Most of my Dobe puppies have been eating between 1-1/2 and 2 cups per meals by the time they are five months. The male puppies tend to need a lot more food between 6 and around 18 months and some of mine have been eating as much as 4 to 6 cups per meal the peak of a growth period.

Most of my adult males end up eating 2 cups per meal feeding twice a day.

The point of puppies growing and looking different from day to day--round roly poly guys one and and three days later looking like colts--all long legs and peanut bodies is really true.

Also I agree that talking to your vet about how much to feed a puppy that the vet sees is really good advice.

The vomiting in the mornings has been covered--just make sure if it started suddenly and continues that you make sure to have it checked with your vet to make sure it's not a partial blockage (puppies don't just eat their food they eat everything). But early morning vomiting isn't uncommon--means they have an empty stomach and the gastric juices can cause an irritation. I feed 12 hours apart (5:30 am and 5:30 pm) and rarely have this problem but if there is a big gap between the last meal and the morning meal and the dog is vomiting you can either give a busciut or rearrange the feeding schedule so the dog is getting meals more evenly spaced.

Good luck...just keep looking at him to see how he looks--you want covered but not by rolls of fat.

PS My dogs all think their own kibble is fine for a training treat but for classes I use much more wonderful, high calorie stuff and reduce the regular meal by 1/4 cup of kibble.
Thank you so much for the insight! Hopefully he did not eat anything out of the norm as we try to watch him all the time... he also is loosing teeth and i thought maybe he swallowed a tooth but I do not think it would irritate his stomach so much?
I will definitely keep an eye on him as I am very worried, although it happened only in the mornings with the space of time about 10 hours. Yesterday it was the food he ate in the morning, and today bile. Maybe it is too long or too quick of a change for his body to receive less meals. I will try the snack before bed
I will also lessen the amount of the food he consumes!

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You can't expect every dog to eat the same amount...part depending on exercise, part on temperament, part just on individual likes and dislikes.

So the best thing to do is just to start with your established amount of food (if you don't know, you can start with the amount on the bag) and watch the way he looks. If you see a few signs that he's getting plump (allowing for his growth spurts) decrease his food by about 1/4 cup a day and watch for a change. Then go up, down, stay the same....and adjust accordingly.

And take treats, snacks, table scraps (NO ONE, hardly, will admit they feed their dogs table scraps, but.......) into account when you're figuring out how much he is eating. Doing extra training with a lot of extra yummy (not just kibble) treats? You may need to decrease his daily food a bit.
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Thank you so much for the insight! Hopefully he did not eat anything out of the norm as we try to watch him all the time... he also is loosing teeth and i thought maybe he swallowed a tooth but I do not think it would irritate his stomach so much?
I will definitely keep an eye on him as I am very worried, although it happened only in the mornings with the space of time about 10 hours. Yesterday it was the food he ate in the morning, and today bile. Maybe it is too long or too quick of a change for his body to receive less meals. I will try the snack before bed
I will also lessen the amount of the food he consumes!

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Here's another thought for you. He's teething? Some puppies are like some babies--teething makes them feel so bad they won't eat. Some of them will eat and some of them run elevated temperatures.

I had one puppy who lost GROUPS of teeth at a time--like all of his lower puppy incisors at the same time--he felt bad, wouldn't eat and until I realized he was teething (big time) the 24 to 36 hours he wouldn't eat anything and just wanted to sleep upset me almost as much as it did the puppy.

And some puppies vomit--it's not the tooth that they swallowed (that happens all the time) that upset their stomach it's more likely the blood from the newly shed tooth and just the process of teething.

So just keep a close eye on him it may simply be related to the teething.
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Here's another thought for you. He's teething? Some puppies are like some babies--teething makes them feel so bad they won't eat. Some of them will eat and some of them run elevated temperatures.

I had one puppy who lost GROUPS of teeth at a time--like all of his lower puppy incisors at the same time--he felt bad, wouldn't eat and until I realized he was teething (big time) the 24 to 36 hours he wouldn't eat anything and just wanted to sleep upset me almost as much as it did the puppy.

And some puppies vomit--it's not the tooth that they swallowed (that happens all the time) that upset their stomach it's more likely the blood from the newly shed tooth and just the process of teething.

So just keep a close eye on him it may simply be related to the teething.
OH MYYY, that might be just it! It all sounds just like Boss.. he lost 4 teeth in one day the other day! and the next he was vomiting.
Wow, gotta keep on learning! haha
He is doing good now, some snack before bed and no more lost teeth for now... haha
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post #16 of 17 (permalink) Old 09-14-2018, 06:33 PM
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On a non-food related subject, please don't leave that collar on him while he's unattended. They are called choke chains for a reason. A former neighbor of mine lost one of their dogs when she hung her choke chain on the fence as she tried to jump it.

Also, unless the picture of him sitting is either flipped or he walk on your right, the collar is on upside down.


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She is very right about the danger of chain collars.....and many other collars if used inappropriately.......lots of YouTube videos regarding collars along with appropriate training techniques......of which maybe you already utilize.......but just like hammers...can be a great tool if used appropriately....if not used correctly ......can be very dangerous..........no disrespect.......just a heads up to ya......ALSO....pretty pup......!



If walks on left ......collar should look like a letter “P”...

If walks on your right..... collar should look like a “number 9”

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