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Proper protien

I was hoping to get some advice on the amount of protien a Doberman needs while also not making their kidneys work to hard . Are 30/20 type foods to much like victor hi pro plus or should is a 26/18 a better option or even a 24/20 All the foods I’m looking at average about 440 -450 calories per cup but what should the protien value be?
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I feed a 30% protein grain free kibble that is ALF (All life stages). I would generally start puppies on a 26%ish protein, but the puppy I brought home two weeks ago was already eating a grain free 30% at her breeders. She fed the same brand just a different protein - so I've switched her over (did it slow) to what I feed. I've been feeding Annamaet Aqualuk for about 8 years now with excellent results - I even feed it to my girl with liver disease (along with a lot of fresh food).

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Where do you find that food ? And I’m looking at victor due to it being available at most feed stores where I love my dog is 11.5 months old and I pretty much raised him on Purina Pro plan sport and 30/20 The results where just fine he started losing interest and while pro plan isn’t the worst food victor has a 5 star rating on a couple formulas
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Where do you find that food ? And Iím looking at victor due to it being available at most feed stores where I love my dog is 11.5 months old and I pretty much raised him on Purina Pro plan sport and 30/20 The results where just fine he started losing interest and while pro plan isnít the worst food victor has a 5 star rating on a couple formulas
I have been feeding all of mine Victor for several months. After trying a few other foods in the last year I'm staying with Victor. They have great skin and coats, poops, and it's pretty reasonably priced.
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I’m leaning towards trying it I was at a local feed store that had samples I took them home and all of my dogs liked it pretty well . And it’s roughy around a dollar a pound which is nice
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Where do you find that food ? And Iím looking at victor due to it being available at most feed stores where I love my dog is 11.5 months old and I pretty much raised him on Purina Pro plan sport and 30/20 The results where just fine he started losing interest and while pro plan isnít the worst food victor has a 5 star rating on a couple formulas
If you shop online, you'll have a much wider variety of brands to choose from. Not to mention you won't have to lug the stuff home from the store.

Chewy carries Annamaet. https://www.chewy.com/s?rh=c%3A288%2...cet%3AAnnamaet

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I’ve used chewy many time actually it’s a good service that’s for certain. I don’t mind shopping locally either though and I’m at feed stores often as it is for livestock feeds and other supplies. But I will Agree that chewy has so many choices its hard to decide .
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Annamaet is a local kibble for me - it is produced in Eastern PA. I know it isn't available everywhere, and is expensive for the grain free. There are a lot of really good kibbles out there - I would definitely stick with 5 star ratings for sure.

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Definitely and thank you ! The victor looks good and several of there blends have 5 star reviews whether uts limited grain with with no corn wheat or soy and they have several grain free choices . Here in southern Colorado it’s a short drive to New Mexico and 4 feed stores in the town I work in carry most of the blends and actually are 10-15$ less than chewy which is odd normally chewy is 10-15$ cheaper
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My breeder is extremely particular on food and current trends and she feeds her adults and pups Victor HiPo+. We have been feeding our retired Bassets TOTW for years, but might try to switch them over to Victor also when my pup comes home next month.
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My breeder is extremely particular on food and current trends and she feeds her adults and pups Victor HiPo+. We have been feeding our retired Bassets TOTW for years, but might try to switch them over to Victor also when
my pup comes home next month.
I have tried the victor hi pro plus and I’m hooked and so are our dogs they are loving it and funny part is my dobie has 2 basset friends they are liking the victor too . The only thing I have found wrong with it is that glucosamine isn’t in all of there blends but it’s no big deal cause I supplement them glucosamine as it is anyways
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We only feed 4-5 star kibble and 100% Liver Dehydrated treats (Costco / made in USA) / plus supplement kibble with come cooking (cooked stew - chicken-beef/veggies/fruit)
- and Kelly was always plagued with on & off diarrhea
- Vet misdiagnosed condition & always put Kelly on probiotics / only worked for a while
- as a puppy, once in a while she needed cooked chicken breast...quality protein to solve growth spurt limping
- but old Dr Vern said, she needs Low Protein / High Carb...to relax her liver from overload & prevent pancreatitis

While now on Hills id digestive care (prescription diet) cans (5.2% protein), got her stool problem back to normal and home cooking with white fish (Haddock) instead of chicken or beef.
- and we will add NRG at 24% protein, as a quality source of ingredients / box of food, on order...have by Monday
^^ I once sold NRG, and had a boxer on it with terminal cancer...probably added several months life, to the nice-family dog

PS - the Hills id kibble made Kelly puke it up, when missed with stomach acid, it swells up large.
- we stopped feeding Kelly, went from Acana to Orijen to Nulo kibble (5 star products) with a 32% protein level
- we always feed our pups, All-Life-Stages (ALS)...don't buy puppy food
- Kelly soft stool happen more on a grain-free diet, as a pup / never saw the advantage

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NRG ORIGINAL DEHYDRATED DOG FOOD WILD CAUGHT ALASKAN SALMON
https://nrgdogproducts.com/shop?olsP...alaskan-salmon

NRG Original Roast Salmon Dehydrated Dog Food provides all the nutrients dogs need for a life filled with vitality and wellness. Farm-fresh raw fruits and veggies and wild-caught alaskan roast salmon are slowly dehydrated to preserve natural vitamins, minerals and enzymes. This original whole food diet also includes whole oats and flaxseed--nature’s best source of essential fatty acids—to help your pup maintain healthy skin and a luxurious coat.

Wild-caught alaskan salmon is the first ingredient. Only the best quality ingredients are used to make one of the finest dog foods available.
Provides complete nutrition with no added vitamins, supplements, extracts or anything. thanks to the wholesome high-quality ingredients that are used. These are the same ingredients that you would find in any grocery store.
Farm-fresh ingredients are hand prepared and gently dried at the manufacture's facility to preserve natural vitamins, minerals and enzymes. This ensures that your pet is getting the best quality food available.
Loaded with fruits and vegetables, this product will help support a healthy immune system. This is a balanced food that is suitable for all life stages.
Made in Canada with ingredients that are sourced from the USA and Canada. Proven nutrition for over 15 years.

NRG Original is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO dog food nutrient profiles for ALL LIFE STAGES.

Feeding Instructions:

Dehydration essentially preserves the enzymes in the whole food by removing the moisture to slow their activity. To prepare dehydrated foods for consumption, simply add water to the food. For every cup of dry food measured add 1/2 or 3/4 cup of warm water. Mix well and allow to refresh for 20-30 minutes before serving. For more complete digestion and smaller stools, split the ratio into 2 feedings: morning and evening. Refrigerate leftovers.
Suggested Servings:

For every 20 lbs your dog weight, feed approximately 1 cup of NRG dry measure each day. Dogs, like people, may require more or less than the suggested serving depending on activity level and age.

Package Size Equals Dry Measured Cups
6kg/13.2 lbs about 60 cups
12kg/26.4 lbs about 120 cups

Ingredients: Salmon Filet, Naked Oats, Carrots, Wheat Germ, Eggs, Pineapple, Winter Squash, Kelp, Broccoli, kale, Cranberries, Papaya, Apples, Parsley, Garlic, Goat Milk Yogurt, Flax Seed, Cider Vinegar, egg shells, Olive Oil, turmeric.

Nutritional Analysis:
Protein 24%
Fat 16%
Fiber 3.5%
Calcium 0.95%
Phosphorus 0.85%
Sodium 0.30%
Potassium 0.84%
Sulphur 0.31%
Magnesium 0.2%
Copper 3mg/kg
Iron 85mg/kg
Zinc 61 mg/kg
Manganese 52mg/kg
7,516 IU Beta Carotene/kg

Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein 24%
Crude Fat 16%
Crude Fiber 3.5%
Moisture 6%

Caloric Content:
500 kcal/cup

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That’s very insightful and interesting I’ll keep that In mind if I get to switching point but I will definitely put that on my list to look at . So far so good on victor and supposedly it’s really good for thier digestive tracts etc and so far the stool size and appearance has been a lot better than the Purina pro plan . I’ve definitely learned that you have to pay attention to ingredients I work at bbq restaurant and have unlimited access to brisket trimmings and it’s obviously human grade and the only reason we don’t use it is it’s either to crisp or little to fatty or just prouduct that didn’t get used on time and became less than restaurant quality either way It’s readily available I only treat it to my dogs cause it’s has high sodium content . But we sell it to a guy who has 50 sled dogs and he uses it to mix I to there normal food and we sell it for a dollar a pound .
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