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Question Who much do I feed him??

Luci is 4 months old now, I weighted him a few days ago (on my damn bathroom scale, not idea I know,) and it said he is at 25lbs. Which does not seem right to me. My daughter weights about 37lbs, and when I pick them up they feel close to the same weight.

Now to the point, haha. My husband swears to me that he ONLY needs 2 cups of food a day, but for his breed, age, and potential size I feel that he needs to fed more. So help me end this debate, and tell me how much he should be fed a day, and until which age/size.
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weigh yourself. Pick up pup and weigh again to get his real weight.

Now look on the bag of dog food it should say how much to feed for his weight.

With out more info it would be hard to say how much to feed.
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He needs more kibble, probably at least double that. Instead of feeding based on weight or projected weight, feed based on his body condition and tweak it if you notice him looking thin or thick. Pop in to your vet's office to use their scale if you're trying to keep tabs on his weight.
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First two weighing methods mentioned will work and I used them for years.
For our Eva's Hypo Thyroid treatment monitoring I purchased this scale:
https://amazon.com/LW-Measurements-L...dp/B01N0K97K8/
I wished I had gotten this type of scale sooner.

A few kibble pieces on one end and you Dobe will walk right on and get weighed (unless he's smarty Spock, who thinks your trying to trick him onto a torture table to Dremel his nails, so he needs a high value treat to get him into position)


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Just realized I forgot to add a few things, and the fact that I wrote "who" instead of "how." It has been a crazy morning already so my brain is a tad scrambled, haha.

Right now he is on Diamond Puppy Food. It is what his breeder was feeding him, and I figured if he was doing well on it so far that there was no real reason to change his diet just yet.

I will get on the scale as soon as I am finished writing this. I will also be uploading a pic of him that I took just an hour ago while we were outside walking around. To me he looks just a bit think in the midsection. When we picked him from the breeder I saw his parents, and they were both HUGE. I mean I am 5ft even, and when I stood next to his mother we was almost chest height level on me.

https://i.imgur.com/fzpN2aD.jpg

Okay we both just hopped onto the scale, and it averages out to 27lbs.

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Don't be overly concerned with his weight or height just watch his body condition, appetite, and energy level. The feeding guidelines on the backs of the food bags are good places to start but often have to be tweaked a little. For one of the foods I've fed in the past it said to feed almost 2 1/2 cups more per day for each of my dogs than they ended up needing! Diamond food has had many recalls you might want to look it up. I'm not saying change foods, but be aware!

I just clicked on the picture you posted. It's a little hard to tell based on how he's standing but he looks pretty good to me. He may be just a tad thin. Take a pic straight down to show his back and loin and it may give a better idea.
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I'll head out, and take another picture of him. It's potty time again anyways. Hopefully he'll stop protecting me from the leaves in the yard long enough for me to get a picture, lol.

Here's some better pictures. It's the best I could as he was running around like a fool, lol.

https://i.imgur.com/V5pCBve.jpg

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I think that he currently looks fine. Still. at 4 months, 2 cups of kibble a day (if that is what you meant to say) is not nearly enough food Oh... and I would lose your current kibble.

Just make sure that any change in diet, either kibble brand or amount is done with a reasonable transition period.

Other than that.... What a cure puppy!

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On average (and remember this is only an average) male puppies tend from 3 months on to weigh around how many months old they are, multiplied by 10.

Male pups tend to gain about 10 pounds per month between 3 and 6 month--but remember this is only an average.

You husband is wrong about 2 cups of kibble per day being enough food for him. I don't know what kinds of puppies he's been raising but something the size of a Doberman isn't going to do real well on 2 cups of kibble per day at 4 months.

Again--on average--3 month old male puppies that I have raised have been eating at least 3 cups of kibble per day (1 cup per meal--three meals a day) and I add stuff to the kibble for puppies--yogurt or cottage cheese in one meal, a spoonful of either canned food or a slop that I make out of some ground beef or ground turkey) warm water so it smells good--the additives are to make sure that the puppy believes that the food he gets is wonderful--I do my best to make them into good eaters when they are very young. By around 4 months I switch them to two meals a day and am usually feeding close to 4 cups per day.

I weigh puppies on vet scales--doesn't even have to be the vet you go to--I find one close to home and ask if I can weigh a puppy--I've never been turned down. The scales in vet clinics tend to be checked for accuracy fairly frequently. Home scales except for the one Spocks Dad got from Amazon tend to not be particularly accurate.

Good luck--dial up makes it take a long time for me to see pictures that aren't embedded into the post so I don't know what he looks like but it sounds like he might be a little thin. Has he seen the vet recently? What did they think?
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Real cute pup.....he looks like he could afford to eat some more chow!!! That pup will work it off.....
Lots of growing going on........

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For reference, my 4 month old is just shy of 40lbs right now, and I have been feeding him 1 1/2 cups 3 times daily (total of 4.5 cups) and his body condition is about perfect. Not sure what food you are feeding, but I feed Nutrisource Large Breed Puppy food, and he seems to do pretty well on it. Hope that helps.
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Thank you for the all the info.

I knew he was wrong which is why I brushed him off, lol. He has only had 2 dogs in his life time. A Black Lab when he was a kid, and a Husky when he, and I first met. My husbands concern is $$ to which in all honestly I don't give a crap about the money. I told him flat out when we got this dog there is NO MORE cutting corners to save money, and if that is what he planned to do he could turn that car around, and head us home after driving for 5 hours without the dog. I will not do it. The past 2 years I have been putting some real thought into getting my cats on a Raw Diet, and I think I want the same for Luc at some point, or at least a partial Raw Diet. Meat, and veggies with a little dog food tossed in. For me that would provide more than what dog food alone is going to give him, it is a little easier on the budget, and a lot better for them.

I have been giving him 3˝ to 4 cups of food a day. He is fed Diamond Puppy Food, which I will taking him off of very soon. I'm thinking about getting one of those vet scales for at home. He has not seen a vet yet. I have been looking around for a new one. Our old vet owns her clinic which while I like that fact, she is VERY price. She wanted to charge me $375 to spay my cat. There are a few vets closer to my that people have said are good at their jobs, and don't break the bank.
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Hoss eats Earthborn Holistic ........was recommended by my Vet and so far pleased with Hoss's skin .

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Thank you for the all the info.

I knew he was wrong which is why I brushed him off, lol. He has only had 2 dogs in his life time. A Black Lab when he was a kid, and a Husky when he, and I first met. My husbands concern is $$ to which in all honestly I don't give a crap about the money. I told him flat out when we got this dog there is NO MORE cutting corners to save money, and if that is what he planned to do he could turn that car around, and head us home after driving for 5 hours without the dog. I will not do it. The past 2 years I have been putting some real thought into getting my cats on a Raw Diet, and I think I want the same for Luc at some point, or at least a partial Raw Diet. Meat, and veggies with a little dog food tossed in. For me that would provide more than what dog food alone is going to give him, it is a little easier on the budget, and a lot better for them.

I have been giving him 3˝ to 4 cups of food a day. He is fed Diamond Puppy Food, which I will taking him off of very soon. I'm thinking about getting one of those vet scales for at home. He has not seen a vet yet. I have been looking around for a new one. Our old vet owns her clinic which while I like that fact, she is VERY price. She wanted to charge me $375 to spay my cat. There are a few vets closer to my that people have said are good at their jobs, and don't break the bank.
BWAAHAHAHAHA!!!! Well, the Lab explains why he thought a four month old puppy should get 2 cups of kibble a day--Labs are notoriously easy keepers and I periodically dog sit for dogs owned by various vets who work at the clinic I work at--the Lab got 2 cups of kibble a day when he was in his maximum growth spurt (between 6 months and a year). it's still what he gets today at 7 years--any more than that he turns into a black blimp. The other three dogs are all Goldens--the very youngest still gets about a 1.25 to 1.50 cups of kibble per meal--two meals day--the others get 1 cup per meal--two meals a day.

By comparison, by six months most of my Dobe puppies are eating 5 to 6 cups of kibble (plus the various additions they also get) and some of them have gotten as much at 7 or 8 cups per day during the worst part of adolescence--and that was assuming they were actually still eating--male puppies (unneutered--as all mine are because they all at least start out as show prospects) are pills--and about the time they are mature enough to show they discover testosterone and girrrrrrls!!! Eventually they rediscover food but after the 2 cup Lab the sight of a Dobe puppy gulping down four or five cups of food in 2.5 minutes will probably give him heart failure.

I can't figure out how he got by with it on a Husky (Siberian Husky?)--they are usually high metabolism high food intake dogs.

I'll pass a little information to you from a vet who is on DT but doesn't have as much time to post as she used to as a student. She was a raw feeder and had all the cats and all the dogs that she and her roommate had on a raw diet and discovered that it was really hard to feed raw to some cats--I think there was some speculation that it might have something to do with the difference between barn cats who actually make a pretty good living on mice and rats if they were brought up by hunters (their moms) and learned to catch their own food as kittens. So I think she ultimately ended up feeding raw to the cats who would actually eat it and the rest got kibble.

I don't feed raw--for a variety of reasons but a lot of people on these forums do so its a good place to come for information about that too.

Good thing you gave him a touch of reality--Dobes aren't really good dogs for trying to cut corners on, a lot or people discover that when they eventually end up paying the price for cutting corners.
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Who much do I feed him??

One thing concerns me about all the comments you’ve gotten so far. All dog food is not equal! Somewhere on the label you’ll find a value of kCal per cup. This value varies greatly among different brands and within brands between different products. Many manufacturers give very broad guidelines that, frankly, are not much help. Start in the range the bag lists, but change the quantity based on what you see with your dog. But, without knowing the calorie count per cup of food, it makes no sense to say four cups or two cups! And, just because four cups of brand X is right, doesn’t mean that four cups of brand Y would be correct. For instance, if you take a look at premium foods, you will often find they are more calorie dense and, therefore, you should actually feed less per meal.


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One thing concerns me about all the comments you’ve gotten so far. All dog food is not equal! Somewhere on the label you’ll find a value of kCal per cup. This value varies greatly among different brands and within brands between different products. Many manufacturers give very broad guidelines that, frankly, are not much help. Start in the range the bag lists, but change the quantity based on what you see with your dog. But, without knowing the calorie count per cup of food, it makes no sense to say four cups or two cups! And, just because four cups of brand X is right, doesn’t mean that four cups of brand Y would be correct. For instance, if you take a look at premium foods, you will often find they are more calorie dense and, therefore, you should actually feed less per meal.


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Hi NoBite,

You are right about checking any food you haven't fed before; it should be checked for calorie count and compared to the food you are feeding now.

I regularly forget to mention this when I'm talking about how much food to feed. But what's just as important (and I do usually talk about this) is that you should also be looking at the dog daily (especially puppies) and while starting with bag recommendations and calorie count is important, it's even more important to look at the condition of the dog. Is he too well padded (especially after changing foods) or obviously too thin? I fine tune quantity of food given specifically by how my dog looks.

By and large I feed the same food to everyone and have for years so I do forget to talk about the fact that many of the premium food are higher calorie than the less expensive ones. And I confess I also often forget to mention the fact that quite a few Dobe puppies don't do real well on premium foods.

I've found that even most of my adult dogs fare better on a mid-range quality food. But there is a reason that a lot of breeders start puppies on moderately rated food and don't switch them to premium foods until they are well over six months. A vet internist I talk to occasionally says that the biggest problems he sees are people with large breed puppies that seem to have chronic problems with food--constant soft stools and/or diarrhea. He finds that switching to a more moderate food (as in, not one of the 5 star rated premiums) tends to be an immediate cure--Dobe puppies are sort of infamous for having slow to mature immune systems and the internist says it's true of the digestive tract as well.

Anyway--the bottom line is that I feed what works and the quantity depends on how the dog looks and feels. Glossy coat, boundless energy, well formed stools and appropriate weight without having to feed buckets of kibble.

And of course age plays a role too--just as I know that my young males will often take a lot of food to keep them in the kind of weight they need to carry in the conformation ring (those are the guys who are sometimes eating five or six cups per meal--two full meals a day) and my geriatric male who was one who ate (and asked for more) at least six cups per meal between 13 and 17 months is now (at nearly 12 years) eats 1-1/4 cups per meal during the warmer months and 1-1/2 cups per meal when the weather turns cold. And I have to watch him like a hawk or he's suddenly plump and when I weigh him he's closer to 90 pounds than the 85 or 86 pounds he's weighed for the last 10 years.

Thanks for bringing it up--all this stuff involves things that some of us have learned over time and it's a real break to not have to repeat the stuff that didn't work and profit by the experience of others.
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We feed puppies as much as they will eat as long as they don't get fat (never happens) or they do not have a loose stool. Loose stools are a frequent sign of overfeeding unless the formula is too rich for them. That is a reason why we recommend a high quality, but not a super concentrated, high protein, high fat food for a puppy. We also by the age would have switched the puppy to high quality adult food.
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