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HELP! Dobermans and weight loss/gain

I am looking for as much help as I can get.

I have a 1 year old Doberboy.
His name is Sven.

I have had a lot of trouble keeping weight on my boy.
He eats like a horse. (We can go through a 50lb bag of kibble in a week)
He just doesn't retain it.

The vet was my first option.
They did a physical exam and also checked for worms...
Sadly, they didn't find anything.
They had recommended feeding a different food and also starting to feed on a schedule instead of leaving an automatic feeder.


After a few months of doing so, I noticed again that he was actually DROPPING weight (well, seemed so to me)
So, I had taken him back to the vet....
They had once again said that they didn't see anything wrong.
BUT they did recommend doing a blood test to make sure.
(which would've been around 500)...
I have decided to try THIS first...

So, if ANYONE has ANY ideas of what I can to do to help my Sven, PLEASE let me know.
If it comes down to it, I obviously will get the blood test to make sure there isn't anything going on...
I just would like to have some other success stories to see if maybe we can fix this without the blood work.


All and ANY comments are appreciated.

Thankyou !
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the bloodwork is essential to getting a full picture of what, exactly, is going on.

however, i will ask the things that came to mind: does he vomit? are his stools firm and regular? what, exactly, do you feed him? is he intact?

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^^^^This and I second dishing out money towards the vet, and I want to add some questions:

How many times a day are you feeding him?

How tall is he? How much does he weigh?

How often does he get exercise? Is he ever crated?

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I agree that he needs to have blood work done. To me, $500 seems high for a blood panel, but it might be the norm where you are.

Falnfenix and GR also raise other good questions, like is he intact, does he vomit frequently, what are is stools like (and how frequent are they), what type of food are you feeding, amount you feed per meal, how many meals a day, and how much exercise is he getting.

Also, if you could post some pictures of him, that would be helpful, as well.


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You need to have the bloodwork done IMO. There may be the possibility your dog has EPI and further tests would need to be done to confirm that. I've seen a few cases of that with dobermans here on DT. Please bring this up with your vet when you take your dog back in to see him or her.
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Thankyou all for the quick responses !


I am also thinking I should probably go ahead and get the blood work, all though it is pricey. I may be able to shop around and see if I can find it anywhere else for a little less.

I will be posting a couple pictures (once I figure out how on here) that I have on my phone. But id like to post one later also when I get home so you can see better.
He is 1 year. Will be 2 in September.
He IS still intact.
He is around 65 lbs
He stands (from shoulders to toe) about 26 inches.
He has gotten so thin over the past 3 months that I can see his hop bones

When he was a pup I started him on Diamond Naturals.
I was feeding him the large puppy breed formula.
I switched to Diamond Green formula when he turned a year.
Then just recently switched to Diamond Hi Energy Sport because my vet had recommended to help with the weight gain.
I feed him twice a day. (Breakfast and Dinner)
He really does will with eating.
It isn't like he is lethargic or doesn't like it.

His poo is also pretty constant and normal.
And he doesn't ever vomit.

He gets TONS of exercise. We have a farm and he likes to run all 50 Acers since he stays outside in the fence while I work during the day.
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the bloodwork is essential to getting a full picture of what, exactly, is going on.

however, i will ask the things that came to mind: does he vomit? are his stools firm and regular? what, exactly, do you feed him? is he intact?
Thankyou for your quick reply.

I really think I am going to have to get the blood work.
But, he doesn't vomit.
He really does well eating. He eats 2 times a day. Breakfast and Dinner.
His stool has always been pretty regular. Never runny or too hard.
I have always fed Diamond. I started with the Diamond Naturals Large Puppy breed formula. Then when he got to be a year I switched to the Diamond Green Adult formula. I just recently switched to a Diamond High Energy formula (vet recommended)
And he is intact currently.
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I agree with Greenkouki! My last Dober boy was dx with SIBO (EPI) at just over a year of age. His symptoms were weight loss despite strong appetite (I feed high quality grain free kibble), regular bouts of loose stool, occasionally with mucus, and a coat that started to get very coarse/dry feeling.

We opted to do FULL blood panel to rule out thyroid issues, and ran a TLI when the results from bloodwork were normal. Once we found out he did have EPI we immediately started treatment and his recovery was very rapid. I learned how to spot his flare ups just as they started and was able to manage him pretty easily for the rest of his life.
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I also recommend the blood test. But at a different vet. $500?!? No way. We paid about $250 for a full blood test, heart worm test, and full thyroid panel all in one go. Your vet is ripping you off.

What exactly are you feeding?

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Exocrine pancreatic insufficiency. The dog has trouble absorbing nutrients from their food, hence the weight loss.

More info here. http://www.peteducation.com/article....2+2103&aid=331


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I also recommend the blood test. But at a different vet. $500?!? No way. We paid about $250 for a full blood test, heart worm test, and full thyroid panel all in one go. Your vet is ripping you off.

What exactly are you feeding?
I almost died when they told me it would be around 500. I am starting to look for other vets because after hearing about the EPI and B12 deficiency , it really adds up completely to how he is.
I have always fed Diamond. And really LOVED it when he was a pup especially (diamond naturals for large breed puppy).
Now he is on Diamond Hi Energy (vet recommended due to weight loss).
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I agree with Greenkouki! My last Dober boy was dx with SIBO (EPI) at just over a year of age. His symptoms were weight loss despite strong appetite (I feed high quality grain free kibble), regular bouts of loose stool, occasionally with mucus, and a coat that started to get very coarse/dry feeling.

We opted to do FULL blood panel to rule out thyroid issues, and ran a TLI when the results from bloodwork were normal. Once we found out he did have EPI we immediately started treatment and his recovery was very rapid. I learned how to spot his flare ups just as they started and was able to manage him pretty easily for the rest of his life.


Thankyou so much. I looked up EPI and EVERYTHING sounds like Sven.
What did you have to do to treat ?
I am for sure going to look around for cheaper vet costs for the blood work. I am so worried about how rapidly hes lost weight.
People probably think I don't feed him :'(
And it doesn't matter if I feed him 2 times a day or 5. He eats it all, and still doesn't gain a lb. Almost just keeps losing.

Thankyou so much again.
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What they said ^^^^^. I an only familiar with it in humans. I did not know that Dobermans were susceptible. Once diagnosed (at least in humans), it is very treatable. They use a pancreatic enzyme substitute. My aunt had it, and it was way easier to treat than say, Crohn's Disease or Celiac Disease.

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I am looking for as much help as I can get.

I have a 1 year old Doberboy.
His name is Sven.

I have had a lot of trouble keeping weight on my boy.
He eats like a horse. (We can go through a 50lb bag of kibble in a week)
He just doesn't retain it.

The vet was my first option.
They did a physical exam and also checked for worms...
Sadly, they didn't find anything.
They had recommended feeding a different food and also starting to feed on a schedule instead of leaving an automatic feeder.


After a few months of doing so, I noticed again that he was actually DROPPING weight (well, seemed so to me)
So, I had taken him back to the vet....
They had once again said that they didn't see anything wrong.
BUT they did recommend doing a blood test to make sure.
(which would've been around 500)...
I have decided to try THIS first...

So, if ANYONE has ANY ideas of what I can to do to help my Sven, PLEASE let me know.
If it comes down to it, I obviously will get the blood test to make sure there isn't anything going on...
I just would like to have some other success stories to see if maybe we can fix this without the blood work.


All and ANY comments are appreciated.

Thankyou !


Here are a couple pictures I have of him...
I am going to be getting some more when I get home to better see how much hes lost.
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I am currently going through something similiar with my GSD and after the CBC results showed elevated liver- they wanted to do about $1500 worth of additional liver testing, bile, ultrasound, biospy. It didn't sit well with me, so I called back and wanted a TLI test done to check for (EPI). I am currently awaiting those results - should be back this week.

The CBC blood panel at my vet was $150 to give you an idea. The TLI test (GL Tract panel) gets sent to Texas A&M and that was additional $157. So your vet is CRAZY expensive for just a CBC panel.

EPI is very common in GSDs and her symptons are she lost 20/lbs, has yellow cow patty like stools, eats her own poop, pica (she has been eating soil) and had the gurgling tummy and had the most rancid breath.

In the meantime, my vet put her on Metranzoide (sp?) after a full cycle of that, her poop is normal, her bad breath is gone but until we get the GI panel back from Texas A&M we just don't know.

GL! I hope you find a place to do the CBC blood work and definitely request to get him the special TLI blood test . EPI will NOT show up on CBC and many vets don't even think about EPI and it can be overlooked at thought to be other things. DEFINITELY tell them you wanted him tested for it.


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We used flagyl (metronidazole) and injectable B complex (to help absorption) and used a grain free limited ingredient diet. He was fed a minimum of 2 meals per day (on weekends we did 3), NO rawhides,edibles etc.. that were not also limited ingredient/grain free.

His weight gain was almost immediate. Once I learned to spot the flares (his hair coat would change slightly), we were able to control with just the injectable B.
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I made an appointment today for Sven.

He will be going in on Monday for the bloodwork and I just hope it isn't as much as they previously quoted me

Thankyou all so much for your advice. It puts me a little at ease knowing that we may FINALLY figure out what has been going on.
I will keep everyone updated ! I also plan to post a picture of him tonight in hopes that when we find out whats going on other dobermoms and dads can know what to look for.

Im new to this forum and am so glad I decided to find it. You are all so awesome.
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There's nothing wrong with going to a different vet that may be cheaper. Bloodwork is just numbers on a sheet of paper and will be the same anywhere you go.
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A picture from above him while he's standing and from the side with him standing is good.
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[QUOTE=Gretchen_Red;3614017]A picture from above him while he's standing and from the side with him standing is

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Yes... He is obviously way below a healthy weight. Hope that you get a diagnosis and treatment soon.

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Please tell us how your appointment went? There is obviously something going on with your boy (but you already knew that). Please do not let your vet tell you that nothing is wrong. They may not be able to find anything, but be a strong advocate because he needs you to keep pushing to find out what is wrong.
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