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View Poll Results: Do you feed raw or kibble
Raw 12 27.27%
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Kibble or Raw?

It seems to me that there are an awful lot of raw feeders on here, therefore I thought it would be interesting to see the ratio of kibble feeders to raw feeders. I am not trying to start a war here, but feel free to discuss the pros and cons of either diet. I have always fed every dog I have ever had kibble and have never had any issues...and quite honestly raw feeding sounds like a huge pain in the rear. That being said, I have been doing a lot of reading about it on the site and if it is truly better for the dog it is something I would consider doing...

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Controversial topic! LOL Get ready to duck!

So I have had friends who have fed raw long before many folks here had even heard of that as a nutritional option for dobermans. In fact, I have a retail store less than 2 miles from my house whose only customers are owners that feed raw. Its called MEAT, LOL. When I considered a raw diet for my pup, I spent a lot of time with them going over the pros and cons.

That being said..... Kibble! Unlike 10-20 years ago, if you are willing to pay the freight, you can probably get pretty much anything that you want in a quality kibble. Especially if you are willing to "add on".

My youngest (18mo) eats Orijen. It is not cheap. I add on (not all at once) Organic yogurt,
Organic non-fat cottage cheese, eggs (raw or cooked), pureed pumpkin, a variety of fruit and frozen vegetables and meat (either raw or cooked). He also gets fish oil tabs. Plus,one can vary the protein base.

McCoy has never has an issue on this diet

The older guy is on a prescription senior diet.

So... There are number of members here who have a passion for, and hence a great knowledge of canine nutrition.

I defer to them.
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Haha, good to know!

To reiterate, I just want to get a feel of the numbers for what people are feeding here, and to listen to the reasons/benifits of each. I am NOT taking sides, or anything like that. I have always fed kibble because its all I've ever known. If there is a better/healthier way I'd love to hear about it, and may reconsider my current feeding choice....but I'm not interested in spending more time on meal prep for my dog than I do on myself/family! I just want to be well informed.

But if a "lively" discussion ensues...so be it.

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Raw is not as difficult as people think. Most raw feeders (not all) do their homework on proper feeding to a greater degree than most kibble feeders. Not all kibble is created equal.

I spend on average 2 hours a month doing up bags with assorted meats for freezing. After that it is generally that weigh and serve the appropriate portions to the appropriate dog (i'm feeding 3).
I feed raw for less than I was spending on kibble (significantly). I have invested in multiple freezers simply because if I find a really good sale, I like stocking up.
Their bed time meal (10 pm) take a few extra minutes with the addition of egg, sardines, probiotics and a few other things I add to their meals.


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I have fed kibble, pre-made raw, and raw. If feeding raw with bone in it, the only thing I can definitively say is it certainly makes easier to clean-up poop.

A lot of people state it's made significant improvements to their dog's coat, but that isn't something I've witnessed with either of my dogs.

I wouldn't say it's harder to feed raw, but it depends on what you feed and how you go about it.

I just rec'd a good bit of free venison RMBs (although the meaty part is certainly lacking on some), hearts, and organs. Unfortunately my freezer couldn't hold it all and some went to waste. So depending on your ability to shop around and store what you find, I can see how it would definitely be affordable if not cheaper.

The only thing that I'm not a fan of with raw is my dogs inevitably swallow a larger piece of bone that will be yacked up later. I tried pig trotters and the hooves didn't make it all the way through. Cleaning up bile and bone fragments on a regular basis isn't my thing.

And if after that you ask why I'm feeding raw, it's because my Doberman, who will eat whatever I put down for him, definitely prefers raw. He's my baby!
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I have fed raw in the past. I currently feed kibble. I have stopped being so stressed about food. I highly recommend the book "Dog Food Logic," by Linda Case, who has a master's degree in canine nutrition. Many people "play" canine nutritionists on the internet. She actually is one. I personally feel the best diet for your dog is what your dog thrives on. I have nothing against raw, it's just not what I have the time nor inclination to do. My dogs do well on kibble, so that's what I feed, as it's easy for me. I've fed quite a few different kibbles, all of which I've had good results with.

What I DO dislike is either raw feeders who insist that it's the only healthy diet, or kibble feeders who insist raw feeders are killing their dogs. To each their own, I say, as long as the other is doing a reasonable job (i.e., not feeding Ol' Roy). Live and let live. People who talk dog food get WAY too judgy.

This thread could be a huge can of worms.
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I have fed raw in the past. I currently feed kibble. I have stopped being so stressed about food. I highly recommend the book "Dog Food Logic," by Linda Case, who has a master's degree in canine nutrition. Many people "play" canine nutritionists on the internet. She actually is one. I personally feel the best diet for your dog is what your dog thrives on. I have nothing against raw, it's just not what I have the time nor inclination to do. My dogs do well on kibble, so that's what I feed, as it's easy for me. I've fed quite a few different kibbles, all of which I've had good results with.

What I DO dislike is either raw feeders who insist that it's the only healthy diet, or kibble feeders who insist raw feeders are killing their dogs. To each their own, I say, as long as the other is doing a reasonable job (i.e., not feeding Ol' Roy). Live and let live. People who talk dog food get WAY too judgy.

This thread could be a huge can of worms.
Here, here!

I fed partly raw for a while, and while my dogs loved it, with limited freezer space, it was a bit of a pain. I'm still feeding the odds and ends as I come across them, but I'm not buying any more meat specifically for the dogs.

I second reading the book mentioned above. I sure know that it helped me calm down over what to feed. I'm still thinking about switching the GSD's food (again), but I'm not frantic over it. In a move that will probably freak out a lot of people here, I'm seriously considering a Pro Plan food for her. However, she's got issues, and I'm thinking that this particular food might help them.
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I have fed raw in the past. I currently feed kibble. I have stopped being so stressed about food. I highly recommend the book "Dog Food Logic," by Linda Case, who has a master's degree in canine nutrition. Many people "play" canine nutritionists on the internet. She actually is one.
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To each their own, I say, as long as the other is doing a reasonable job (i.e., not feeding Ol' Roy). Live and let live. People who talk dog food get WAY too judgy.

This thread could be a huge can of worms.
Ol' Roy...evrytime I see that brand I think of Randy Quaid shopping in Wal-Mart with Clark Griswold!!
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kibble feeder here, for my convenience as well as that of my husband and MIL. it took moving a mountain to get meal feeding down to a science in both households. adding raw would be entirely too difficult.

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I feed my dobe raw and my old lab kibble. I miss the simplicity of kibble but a friend recommended raw to solve her sensitive stomach problems and it did. My lab is fed senior Iams, which works for him and he's thriving on it. I wouldn't rule out swapping foods in the future but for now everyone is happy. Except my family when I'm defrosting tripe!
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Raw was easy to do with one dog. Pull out the chicken, plop it in a bowl, toss in some Vertex and we're good to go.

TWO dogs =TWICE as much refrigerator/freezer space and our Shepherd doesn't do well with raw chicken. Quality kibble + wet (TOTW) and everybody's happy. Of course, our Dobie still gets his share of raw meat and everything else (bananas, cucumbers, lettuce, avocados - he'll eat damn near everything!) when I have "extra".
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I agree with Meadowcat. The best diet is the one your dog does best on. People are usually so "passionate" about what they feed because their dog is doing well on it.

I feed kibble. My biggest pet peeve is when I encounter a raw feeder who thinks I'm feeding my dogs that "crap bag stuff." It's narrow-minded thinking.

I have no issue with raw. If I did it, I would have a house full of raw dead fish since Jam thinks she's part mermaid and Row seems to be taking this stance as well. 😂😂



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Brandy and Newton get kibble. I have nothing against raw, but personally I think I would obsess over if I'm doing it "right". It would drive me crazy.

Brandy does get an occasional raw beef knuckle bone in the summer. Newton will get one too when he's older. It's a fun treat for them.
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Brandy and Newton get kibble. I have nothing against raw, but personally I think I would obsess over if I'm doing it "right". It would drive me crazy.
That's kinda where I'm at with it too. As long as it is quality kibble, it seems idiot proof. Too many variables for me with raw.
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We always buy 4-5 star rated kibble & treats - ACANA kibble and freeze dried liver treats (Benny Bully's).
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We never feed can food, its usually contains over 70% water, by weight.
I sold RAW meat pieces and prepacked doggy TV dinners ($5.00/lb.) a decade ago.
- I stopped that side of my part time pet food business, only after a 6 month trial
- even our former Amy didn't enjoy the taste much / but she was also spoiled on human food bits
- Amy was feed premium kibble & organic treats, 95% of her entire life
- she outlived the statistical breed average, by 2.2 years
- on holistic kibble, Amy's coat was always shinny / she didn't even have dog breath or BO

I support others RAW feeding, if one knows how to keep it balanced enough...with vitamins, supplements, etc.
- one just doesn't buy a 20# box of chicken legs, and that's all their is to feed it...much to learn

So I stick to an expensive kibble diet and prefer Canadian made brands / eg. large TX kibble plant, has lots of recalls.
- Holistic & Organic type kibbles (human grade meats, no corn fillers or by-products, etc.) have been more available finally (in the last decade) / making a quality kibble diet much easier now

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Yeah, Larry... I agree. McCoy's on a Acana/Orijen diet these days. I do add a lot of supplements. But only stuff he likes. I have never had an issue since transitioning him off Euanuba Large Breed Puppy. He was on that based on the recommendation of his breeder, whom I trust. Again, never any issues. None...

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I fed raw for about 6 months, not for any more reason that I like the idea. No change in her coat - it's always been thick and glossy - and she has an iron tummy.
I live in Central America and out where I live there is really no premium kibble. I saw TOTW and Nature's Instinct in a store but at 3X what folks up North pay. Kirkland was what she was on for her first year.
But I too am someone who obsessed about getting raw completely balanced, even after tons of reading, and was making myself nuts. There is no hunting here, and meat is expensive, rarely on sale, and things like lamb, rabbit, duck are off the chart!
So we are back to Kirkland kibble, with egg, yogurt, salmon oil every few days, plus a full raw meal 1-2 times a week. RMBs a couple times a week too.
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Raw is not as difficult as people think. Most raw feeders (not all) do their homework on proper feeding to a greater degree than most kibble feeders. Not all kibble is created equal.

I spend on average 2 hours a month doing up bags with assorted meats for freezing. After that it is generally that weigh and serve the appropriate portions to the appropriate dog (i'm feeding 3).
I feed raw for less than I was spending on kibble (significantly). I have invested in multiple freezers simply because if I find a really good sale, I like stocking up.
Their bed time meal (10 pm) take a few extra minutes with the addition of egg, sardines, probiotics and a few other things I add to their meals.
I have spent countless hours doing research on this topic and would like to ask you about your regime. Would you mind spending some time and sharing with us the details of your raw feeding schedule?
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I have spent countless hours doing research on this topic and would like to ask you about your regime. Would you mind spending some time and sharing with us the details of your raw feeding schedule?
I highly Recommend Reading a few books first (at least two imo)
My three recommendations are Lew Olson raw and natural nutrition, Kymythy Schultze Natural nutrition for dogs and cats. Dr. Karen Becker real foods for healthy dogs and cats.
Those are my three favourites all fast easy reads packed with information.
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I missed this thread when it started back in March--don't know how but I did.

I feed kibble. I looked at raw feeding clear back when the B.A.R.F. diet turned up but decided against it for a number of reasons--the biggest probably that I'd have had to buy a freezer or two to make it economically feasable and the fact that it was definitely more time consuming for me.

Over time I periodically look at new kibbles as they show up and occasionally I'll try one to see if it is actually better than what am already feeding but I basically feed a mid-range kibble and my criteron is that I feed what is best for my dogs.

Best means a kibble that the dogs like and eat with relish, one that maintains good weight without feeding huge meals. One that keeps their coats thick and glossy, their eyes bright, their stools solid and gives them boundless energy.

There have been times that best turned out to be a prescription diet for one dog and something else entirely for the other dogs.

My occasional foray into "new" kibbles has had some interesting results. For many years I had an Australian Shepherd along with the Dobes and he basically liked and ate everything. At one point I bought a bag of a kibble that had recently had an ingredient revamp and had changed to an all life stages type--the Dobes didn't care (they usually don't) ate it fine--the Aussie said that if I thought this was food he was moving somewhere that they knew what dog food really was. I bowed to the inevitable and picked up a bag of my fall back food (Purina ProPlan Chicken and Rice--now called ProPlan Focus Chicken and Rice) after three days of food refusal and a trip to the vet for the Aussie. The Dobes finished the other bag of food.

I've also tried (briefly) at least three highly rated kibbles that were fine for half the dogs and gave the other half on going diarrhea.

So I continue to feed ProPlan (either chicken and rice or salmon and rice) as my fall back food--which means that most of the dogs get it most of the time. I've fed Kirkland Chicken and Rice to two dogs who were really hard to keep weight on as youngster and being shown--it worked and eventually their metabolism peaked and slowed down and both ate ProPlan for the rest of their lives.

And I've always added stuff to the kibble--everyone gets a tablespoon of yogurt in the kibble in the morning. Everyone gets a hard boiled egg in their dinner at night. All dogs over six months get fish oil capsules (and vitamin E) with each meal. And if I find a hot deal on ground meat (beef, chicken or turkey) I'll buy some of that--freeze most of it and cook it, a pound at a time, in a little water and they get a couple of tablespoons of that on their dinner too. They also get a variety of vegetables--that are overly abundant in season--summer squash (zuccini is very popular with my dogs) and tomatoes.

They also get, as a super special treat (I guess I do feed a little raw) a frozen herring or two--a couple of years ago I found that a local market had one pound bags of frozen herring--it was a big hit so I keep a bag of it in the freezer.

I have no problem with raw feeders who don't insist that I am mistreating my dogs if I choose to feed kibble (and kibble with corn in it at that--I figure these folk have never watched coyotes pick ripe corn, in season, from the edges of corn fields--and go on claiming that it is poison for canids).

I don't insist that kibble is the be all end all for your dog--and I join those that feed what works--seems to work for me and my dogs.
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I have only fed kibble with sometimes rice and wet food as a treat and my dogs have lived to their expected age or longer like Rex my GSD who died at 12.
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