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Vomiting. Please help

Hey everyone, I've done some searching and can't seem to find a thread that matches what is happening with our puppy, Georgia.

When we first brought Georgia home she was eating kibble, we stuck with that for about two months and then we put her on raw food and we noticed some issues with it. At first we were making her meals ourselves with meat from a local butcher and then we decided to switch to local company who packages and delivers the food to your house.

We noticed that Georgia was starting to eat hair/sticks/grass and this would cause her to vomit. We took her to the vet because she wasn't doing this while eating the kibble and the vet said that she might be lacking micro nutrients and that was causing her to eat the hair and grass. She said to wait until she was a bit older to go back to raw food, now that she just turned a year old we switched back to raw food.

We started with the same company as we were using months ago and we noticed she was vomiting again, so we switched to another brand (& a different protein source) that was recommended by a doberman owner/owner of a local pet store.

Since coming back onto the raw food Georgia has been vomiting every morning at the same time. She eats her meals at 10am and 6pm every day with no signs of sickness until about 7am the next day. Her stools are healthy and she digests her breakfast without any issues. Has anyone else experienced this?

We've used salmon, beef, chicken and turkey.. All of which have resulted in the morning vomit. The Vomit is a mixture between food and bile. it's a little different every day.

The only thing I can think of is maybe she's allergic to a specific vegetable that is commonly used in raw? but it's still weird to me that she's fine all day after eating her breakfast.

I appreciate the help!
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Have you tried feeding her at 6 and 6
instead of 10 and 6?
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Is it possible to give her maybe half or quarter cup late at night? I've heard of dogs vomiting when they have too much bile in their stomach from being empty.
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What is she vomiting?

Is it just bile? Or is it her actual meal? Our boy vomits bike if he goes longer than 10 hours without food - every time. We do what GretchenRed recommended above and give a cookie before bed. Our boy eats raw between 7-9am and 8-11pm.

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I was just thinking that I think it takes longer to process raw than kibble so what I stated probably wouldn't apply I don't think.
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I wouldn't feed cookies or treats before bed.

A recent nutrition seminar had a section on empty stomach syndrome.

Split your daily amounts so you're feeding 3X's a day. Morning, supper, and before bed.

Depending on the treat they often don't have much nutrition in them. You're better off feeding a small meal before bed.

I was initially having similar issues with Sienna, I used to feed my larger meal in the am, but even with a small meal before bed we were still having 6 am bile pukes.
I reversed my feeding schedule with the larger meal before bed and haven't had a puke since.


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I was just thinking that I think it takes longer to process raw than kibble so what I stated probably wouldn't apply I don't think.
Actually it is the opposite! It takes WAY longer to process kibble than raw. Raw digests in 1-3 hours (that I've heard) and kibble can take up to 8 (so I've heard, but don't doubt because my boy has vomited undigested kibble after 7 hours)

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Actually it is the opposite! It takes WAY longer to process kibble than raw. Raw digests in 1-3 hours (that I've heard) and kibble can take up to 8 (so I've heard, but don't doubt because my boy has vomited undigested kibble after 7 hours)
Thanks! I was thinking it takes longer to process bone for some reason. This makes more sense!
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One study I read stated that digestion times were similar as long as the dog had access to water with the kibble. In most studies they referenced the dogs did not have access to water with the kibble leading to the longer digestion times frequently cited.

Ivan can be a morning puker, so he usually gets a late night snack.
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First, some dogs just don't do well on raw. If she was doing well on kibble and doesn't do well on raw, well, maybe it's time to consider keeping her on kibble.

Secondly, there was a big article in Whole Dog Journal this last issue on how many of the pre-made raw diets are improperly balanced. Perhaps she's just not getting what she needs on the pre-made mixes? I have a good friend who's dog just can't do pre-made raw...she has allergies, and no matter that the diets don't list any of her allergens they seem to set off her stomach no matter what. Home made raw never does. So I suspect that there is contamination of some kind in the pre-made diets.


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That's something we found with Mocha as well; if we feed her dinner between 5 & 5:30, she'll vomit bile in the morning but if we wait until 6 or later, she's good to go.



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Your dog was on kibble and was fine. You tried raw but dog the didnt do well. You went back to kibble and dog was fine again. Now you try raw again and dog is back to vomiting

Don't take this the wrong way but how about feeding your dog kibble since it seems to be agreeable? Why does the dog have to go thru these gyrations because raw is somehow a better diet.

I wont get into the raw debate. Just try and do what's best for your dog. Raw may not be the answer.
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Mika had similar problems, she's on raw too. We normally feed her dinner at 5pm and brekky at 6am. And we always find piles of yellow bile (sometimes with little undigested food) in the morning. And then we start giving her something to eat before bed around 11pm and she never had the problem again. If your pup doesn't vomit during the day, but only when woke up in the morning, it's probably due to empty tummy. Dogs with allergies will normally vomit during the day aswell. Raw food digest way faster than kibbles.

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I will echo the others; If she does well on kibble why not just feed her that? I don't get it...
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I appreciate the replies, as for the people asking why not use kibble, I'm only doing what the vet had told us to do. The vet said once she hit one year old we should try raw again, which we're doing. It's only been 4 days of her back on the raw diet. Obviously I'll be going back to kibble if she can't handle the raw. It seems like I'm not the only one who's had issues with morning vomit, I'll try the late night meal and tonight and tomorrow and if we don't see a change I'll go back.
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Ares would do that in the morning due to acid and we have to make sure he has a bedtime snack so I'll make him up a kong every night and haven't had an issue since. I don't know if this is her issue but it's worked for Ares maybe give it a try. Use easy in tummy foods. We usually do peanut butter, and turkey
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As a heads up, we've changed her feeding time from 6pm to 830pm and she's had no issues since. Happy dog, healthy stool & vomit free. I can only assume that she digested the raw food faster which caused her to have an empty stomach early in the morning, which led to her vomiting up bile.
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Glad you were able to get it sorted out.

Parker went thru the vomiting early morning bile, too, but he outgrew it around two or three. Don't really remember what age he stopped. I gave him a handful of kibble at bedtime till he finally stopped.

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