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Don't get puppies from Serbia

I have so sad story, bought puppy from Serbian breeder in july, after we came home, we saw that there was something wrong in her back legs, i connect this breeder many times and he was just telling me not to worry and saying "sometimes pups grows funny" , we went to specialist and found out that there was an old fracture in the left femur between middle and distal thirds of the bone. Her leg have been growing so wrong and the "healthy"l leg was destroyed too, there was nothing we cud do to save her, surgery was hopeless.
And this was all becouse NOBODY from this kennel, breeder, kennel workers or even their vet DID NOT SEE THIS!!! So mutch pain for this puppy and why?
Too mutch puppies, no time to take care of them properly, and her sister, she had somekind of "accident" too, breeder told me that his worker left a lamp too low and in his web side he was selling this puppy by telling that her mother bite her.... Lot of stories from this breeder. All that mathers is getting more money.
He keeps deny that he did not see this, hard to belive after selling so many puppies... I probably wont ever get my costs from him but atleast i can tell around the world warning to not buy any puppy from this breeder.
I don't want new puppy from him, this really did open my eyes from these kind of breeders and i don't wanna support this kind of puppy factory!

And my puppy was from kennel BETELGES, Serbia
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I have so sad story, bought puppy from Serbian breeder in july, after we came home, we saw that there was something wrong in her back legs, i connect this breeder many times and he was just telling me not to worry and saying "sometimes pups grows funny" , we went to specialist and found out that there was an old fracture in the left femur between middle and distal thirds of the bone. Her leg have been growing so wrong and the "healthy"l leg was destroyed too, there was nothing we cud do to save her, surgery was hopeless.
And this was all becouse NOBODY from this kennel, breeder, kennel workers or even their vet DID NOT SEE THIS!!! So mutch pain for this puppy and why?
Too mutch puppies, no time to take care of them properly, and her sister, she had somekind of "accident" too, breeder told me that his worker left a lamp too low and in his web side he was selling this puppy by telling that her mother bite her.... Lot of stories from this breeder. All that mathers is getting more money.
He keeps deny that he did not see this, hard to belive after selling so many puppies... I probably wont ever get my costs from him but atleast i can tell around the world warning to not buy any puppy from this breeder.
I don't want new puppy from him, this really did open my eyes from these kind of breeders and i don't wanna support this kind of puppy factory!

And my puppy was from kennel BETELGES, Serbia
Not surprised by this at all.

Sorry this happened to the puppy and you.

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This is good that you wrote this...if someone googles the kennel, your review will come up. Thank you for telling your story.
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Old 10-10-2014, 03:55 PM Thread Starter
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Yes, and he know's who is writing, i don't care, i think everybody shud know truth about this breeder, there is more puppies coming, one "mom" will be 1 year 10month old when her puppies will born. SO SIC!
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Yes, and he know's who is writing, i don't care, i think everybody shud know truth about this breeder, there is more puppies coming, one "mom" will be 1 year 10month old when her puppies will born. SO SIC!
SO SIC!!!

Hahahahah, there's not much more we can do that we haven't already done on this forum.

Google should pull up all kinds of bad reviews and warnings about Betelges when someone here does a search for them. Don't know if they show up in Europe or not, but I doubt it.

People over there should be putting their bad experiences on a good forum so the bad reviews will show up over there.

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Yes they will show in europe. They need to show everywhere! If even one byuer choices another kennel this is allways a win.
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I bought a puppy from Serbia (Altobello) . Everything was perfect. No problems, not even after I got my pup. Paperwork was good, vet has done everything right
Very sorry to hear about your pup was in pain
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Hello, I saw your original post on a FB forum. I was disappointed that it was removed, I'm not sure why. I'd really like to know: did you purchase the puppy directly from Slobadan ? Can you remind me of the pups name? Have you informed him of the problem? What remedy has he offered? May I ask what country you live in? Slobadan, if you are a member here, it would be nice to hear from you here..... An explanation ......
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I have a puppy from Ginga House in Serbia - I could not be more happy with the way everything went, Im sorry to hear about your puppy - but I don't think its fair to say don't get a puppy from Serbia, maybe just your specific breeder. So sorry to hear what you went through
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Old 10-15-2014, 03:21 AM Thread Starter
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Yes, i did byu her directly from Slobodan, name of the puppy was havana betelges. Puppy was 9 weeks old when she came and we saw it here right away that everything was not right in her back leg. But slobodan keeps deny that he did not see this, so hard to belive that, hi's been a breeder for so long time. Also this puppy had a fake pasport, her birthday was 2 month older, and pasport of Bulgaria?! There has been accident for another female too from this litter, slobodan told me that his worker left lamp too low, when he was selling this puppy,
Hesta betelges, he was telling in web site that her mother bite her. So what is the truth? What went wrong? I wud say too mutch is too mutch. This is the reason that i don't want new puppy from him, i don't wanna support this kind of kennel, i just wanted my costs back and he said no. Don't want any dog from that kennel ever again, i cud not trust this breeder anymore but all he said is that i shud travel to serbia to pick new puppy, so i shud pay all the cost of traveling again?!? And price of new puppy is not even enough, there is also bills from vet, our insurance does not cover damages becouse this happen when she was not in finland yet. Well, he sayd that i shud have been tell different story to our vet so that i cud have the money from insurance. Reason that i have been telling this in public, i thing everybody shud know that he is not a top breeder as everybody thinks! And i am not alone.
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I'm so sorry you have been through this terrible experience. He offered to replace the puppy, but you do not want another puppy from him. It's understandable, after the last experience. Is he going to send you a refund? These dogs are expensive, plus you had vet bills. I think he is responsible for all of that. Is there a contract? I'm glad you shared your story. I know some people in Serbia who do business with Slobodan, I hope it's ok with you if I email them and try to help you?
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He says becouse i don't want new puppy from him, i'm getting nothing.
Just telling me to contact Serbian kennel club, tryed many times but no answer.
Does it even existence?
Yes, all help is welcome!
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I have so sad story, bought puppy from Serbian breeder in july, after we came home, we saw that there was something wrong in her back legs, i connect this breeder many times and he was just telling me not to worry and saying "sometimes pups grows funny" , we went to specialist and found out that there was an old fracture in the left femur between middle and distal thirds of the bone. Her leg have been growing so wrong and the "healthy"l leg was destroyed too, there was nothing we cud do to save her, surgery was hopeless.
And this was all becouse NOBODY from this kennel, breeder, kennel workers or even their vet DID NOT SEE THIS!!! So mutch pain for this puppy and why?
Too mutch puppies, no time to take care of them properly, and her sister, she had somekind of "accident" too, breeder told me that his worker left a lamp too low and in his web side he was selling this puppy by telling that her mother bite her.... Lot of stories from this breeder. All that mathers is getting more money.
He keeps deny that he did not see this, hard to belive after selling so many puppies... I probably wont ever get my costs from him but atleast i can tell around the world warning to not buy any puppy from this breeder.
I don't want new puppy from him, this really did open my eyes from these kind of breeders and i don't wanna support this kind of puppy factory!

And my puppy was from kennel BETELGES, Serbia
Understandably, you are VERY upset at the experience. But then, you don't want to jump out of the fryin' pan and into the fire either! Stay calm and don't exactly OVER-react by damning an ENTIRE country (lol)!! While I am in no position to make an assessment of what may or may not have occured in your personal dealings here, I can at least remind you that jackasses do greatly ABOUND both locally and abroad. So you will also want to improve at being more discerning and efficient as you take maybe a little MORE time at seeking to acquire the dog that you yourself have in mind.

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Of course this is only about one breeder, did not mean entire country!
I think everyone can read which kennel this is about!
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Old thread, but I didn't saw it before. First of all, I am sorry because of your bad experience. I think that it is not correct to place subject "Don't get puppies from Serbia" because of only one bad experience. This is a huge forum, and I didn't saw that anybody else had bad experience about a dog from Serbia. I do not know breeder personally, but we have a bad breeders (and people generally) all around the world. Don't we?
Now, I will try to explain what is really happened, based on my opinion.
You wanted a puppy of 2,5 months. Puppy can be vaccinated against rabies at 3 months. (because of vaccine aggressiveness to immune system) Titer test can be done at least 30 days after vaccination. And how do you expect to transport puppy internationally at 2,5 months? I believe that you was informed in advance that puppy will travel with fake Bulgarian passport, and the worse of all, with microchip, matching with this passport.
What is actually going on? We have proven dogs and breeders of Dobermans in Serbia, without a doubt. I do not want to advertise mine or anybody else dogs, but I had many of queries from USA about my puppies. And when I explain that price of puppy is only $XX, and "shipping" is $YYY, All of them are asked for a cheaper solution.
What is actually means cheaper? Cheaper is to send a puppy with somebody who will drive it by van (couple of dogs) to another destination in Europe. Then he deliver it to another person which collecting dogs from different countries from Europe, and send them to couple of another different location in Europe. (France, UK, Hungary...) Because of cheaper shipping rates, from certain countries, to USA or another country.
This all means that puppy spent about 7-10 days (who know where and how) and finally fly in dark and cold cargo space in the plane. Why? Because of $200-400USD.
Now, how can anybody be shore that puppy didn't broke its leg in this whole messy transportation?
Lets elaborate this solution:
Roundtrip air ticket from New York to Belgrade is about 380EUR. (Google for it) Almost all breeders here will wait you at the airport and try to provide you free accommodation for few days. Or really cheap, about $10-15 per night. Come here, to se one beautiful country with great history, and even greater nature. Meet the breeder, meet his family, meet the puppy parents, choose the puppy or LET THEM TO CHOOSE YOU! Than, hug your new baby, your new best friend and take him (her) home. Why this is so complicated?
Paperwork for export is about 400 USD. REGUALAR PAPERWORK! Transport box or cage is about $100. Additional costs for dog (4 moths Doberman size dog) is about 100 more.
Another solution, try to arrange transport by yourself. There are so many agencies around the world.
Summary: If you want a puppy which predecessors are world champions, and have big plans with them, do something to be shore that you really got what you are looking for.
And please, do not place a subject "Don't get puppies from Serbia". Most of us are not breeders which only counting puppies and money, most of us have this wonderful dogs because of love, living with them, playing with them, with their puppies.
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Well written.
Can you tell me about good Serbians breeders ?
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my pup's sire is an Altobello dog. He's in excellent health, and is excelling in his Schutzhund work. It's sad that not everyone has positive experiences with importing a puppy but it's the main reason why I refuse to buy a pup without being able to first go to the breeder's home and see in person the living conditions and temperments of the parents. Almost any reputable breeder won't object to this. In addition to seeing the dogs, it allows the breeder to get to know their buyers and sus out anyone they find unfit to have their puppies. Obviously it won't be this way every time but maybe this is just a lesson learned! Hope you get some closure find what you're looking for OP!
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