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Corrective surgery for cropped ears - Nano's experience

Hi! I just wanted to share our experience with getting Nano's crop fixed because I couldn't really find anything similar when I was researching how it would be done.

Back story: Nano was born December 2010 from a *one time* breeder (I know, I should have known better! but I can't regret my decision, she is my world!!) Their bitch had floppy ears but they gave us the option of having Dr. Staples get her ears cropped. Long story short, the breeder was misinformed about the whole procedure and aftercare and thus we were misinformed. The crop happened in early Feb/11 and we posted (using different techniques: first the horrid "just tape the sponge back on" the breeder recommended for a couple months, followed by a naive attempt at tampons and a bridge, and finally I went to see a local vet who's shown dobies and he showed us a fabulous technique but warned it might be too late as one ear had a deep crease and the other a huge pocket.) until late August.

At 15 months old I decided to go back to Dr. Staples to see if anything could be done about the wonky ears (It literally looked like there was a side wind constantly blowing on her head, the way one laid flat across the top of her head and the other was floppy) and we went ahead and elected to try one last correction to get them to look somewhat normal.

The *floppy* ear was re-positioned into a more conical shape to force it up, and the ear that laid across the top of the head was a bit more difficult and he had to slice vertically down the lateral aspect and agitate the cartilage in hopes that the scar that would form would be strong enough to hold the ear up. We decided to get the local vet to post for us and pretty well take care of the whole aftercare.

Anyways a week after the procedure she was left alone for 3 hours (first time since the procedure) and when we came home, she was super duper happy and looked super pleased with herself that she had taken the whole post off her head, had one of the posts in her mouth, butt wiggly as ever (other post is no where to be found, i'm assuming it will be in the backyard in a much browner form soon...) and she had torn out every stitch in the "floppy" ear that was corrected and had a large gaping hole in her head... We took her to the emergency vet and he stitched it up and sent her home in a cone with the ears un-racked. I slept next to her cage to keep her calm, and in the morning we woke and I noticed the huge gaping hole still persistent. We rushed her back the emergency vet, and another vet restitched it. We decided to rack it ourselves just to relieve the pressure off the wound. and took her to her vet on tuesday

Well, good news is, he told us we don't need to rack at the moment, as the ears are 90% standing. It was a horrific process, and it's still ongoing (we now have to "engage" the ears with squeekies), but I'm feeling confident about her future.

I'm hoping to update in a couple weeks once the whole process is done, but so far they're looking good.

Pictures: First is her right when we brought her home, in the original rack done by Dr. Staples. Second is how the ears looked in August when we gave up, and Third is her one day post corrective surgery. Hopefully she'll let me get a picture soon of her ears now without the post so you can see the incisions and the shape
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Well the good thing is....it looks like a very nice crop. Your story is similar to my story when I had my boys tail redocked. It had to be restitched twice as he would not leave it alone. Good luck.

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So here is some pictures. The one that had the pocket is starting to bend again so we had to get it re-posted right after I took the pics.

First pic is of the scar from the ear that laid onto of her head - the one he aggravated the cartilage to make a strong scar

Second is of the ear that flopped. It's been restitched twice since the surgery

Third is my beautiful baby right before she got reposted. You can see the one ear starting to tilt again, so we're going to keep on trucking with the posting.
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Oh, my goodness. Those are impressive wounds. Good luck to you and your very pretty girl. I hope everything works out. Keep us . . . ahem . . . "posted."
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Oh, wow. Good luck with the posting. I have to say if it was me, I would have just let them be and dealt with the wonky look instead of opting to make my dog deal with a recrop. Just sayin. I hope in the end they stand well and it was at least worth it! Poor girl.
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is the re-cropping just for cosmetic reasons or was there another reason to "fix" her ears? Isn't it really painful for older dogs and harder to get them to stand at an older age? I assuming the normal procedure is to do it at such a young age for a reason. I don't know if its something i would put my dog through just to get a certain "look". Good luck to your girl.
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Here we go again. Folks, stop, think before you engage mouth, please. what's done is done.

OP, it's a shame you've had to go thru so many steps when the initial crop was so nice. Hope they turn out.
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is the re-cropping just for cosmetic reasons or was there another reason to "fix" her ears? Isn't it really painful for older dogs and harder to get them to stand at an older age? I assuming the normal procedure is to do it at such a young age for a reason. I don't know if its something i would put my dog through just to get a certain "look". Good luck to your girl.
It technically is for "cosmetic" reasons. As was the original crop, the tail dock and the dewclaw removal

They do it at the younger age because they try and get it before the cartilage matures, not for pain. It is harder from them to stand post corrective surgery then it was for the initial crop, the vet said he had about 90% success for "floppy" ears with the method he used, and 60% success for the method he used for the ear that laid across the head. This was our last try, if they end up wonky after this, I won't love her any less and I will feel satisfied that I tried absolutely every avenue open to try and correct for my mistakes.

She is being very well cared for post surgically. She's seeing the local vet with doberman experience 2-3 times a week so I have no doubt that if something was off he would let me know and would address it. I'm confident in her recovery physically (perhaps not as confident cosmetically, but I have to stay skeptically optimistic)

I have no regrets about posting this and I think everyone is entitled to their opinion. I really think if you are against it please share, because when I was looking at other posts about crop corrections I saw posts like "why would you crop the ears and not be prepared to recrop if they fail", "what kind of horrible owner would allow their dogs crop to get that bad" and "my only regret about the corrective surgery is not doing it sooner". I felt like I should share my experience just to help people in the future make a more informed decision about cropping then I was able to =) If we could go back in time, and knew what we know now we would have never cropped in the first place.

As for the pain, she doesn't seem to be showing any signs of discomfort. I'm not sure if she has a high pain tolerance or lower sensation to the area at this point, but it doesn't seem to bother her at all.

Thanks for all the well wishes =) My Nano definitely appreciates them, and hopefully her next set of photos will show her forever look whether it be good or bad.
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Good luck to your girl! What a cutie

I have a girl with a floppy ear. I tried stringing, unfortunely it was unsuccessful. I am happy you chose to post this, as I did a ton of research with few results when I figuring out the best route for my girl. It is nice to hear others choices and results with these procedures. It is a big help for others considering their options.

I hope in the end Nano's ears stand beautifully!

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Nanopup, please do as Dr Staples told you. He is an expert cropping vet. Dont let anyone overrule what he told you to do, ever. No one you see now knows more than he does. ///// I just have to mention that no one at Dr Staples office gave your breeder the wrong information. She may have misunderstood, but that is not Dr Staples fault. If you have any questions, you really should be calling Dr Staples. Just because a vet says they have experience doesnt mean they have the correct experience. This is your last chance to get those ears up. Best wishes!

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Hi
Ease share how it looked after
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Unfortunately this thread is from 2012.
But perhaps someone else might have a photo of a similar process to share??
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Unfortunately, really good ear repair specialists are even more rare that accomplished ear cropping specialists. Most ear croppers are not accomplished repair specialists. If you want to use a truly accomplished repair specialists, you will likely have to travel quite a distance unless you are very lucky.

30 years ago, I knew of several, but these days, I hardly know of any and they are not the specialists to the level of the ones I knew in the past.

I would also like to know of any truly gifted ear repair specialists. If you use a competent ear surgeon in the first place and take proper care of the ears, then you do not usually need any repair. However, sometimes even with the best crop and care, things do not always turn out the best. When you need a repair specialist, they are INVALUABLE.

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