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Should I remove the cup on my puppy's head?

I have a 9-week old puppy who was cropped exactly two weeks ago. I picked him up 4 days ago. The breeder told me that the cup that his ears are taped to should fall off and that the stitches should dissolve. The edges of the ears are not covered by the tape. Some of the stitches have already dissolve/fallen out, but others haven't. My own research shows that stitches usually come out between 10 and 14 days, and the cup comes off at the same time.

I brought my puppy to the vet today for his first visit, and he said that the stitches can take up to 30 days to dissolve and not to worry about them. He also said to leave the cup on the puppy's head for as long as it looks like it is helping. He said the ears are taped so that they are open and breathing well. He said he is afraid that if it is taken off too early and the ears flop, they won't take as well to posting.

Am I okay to follow the vet's advice? This is not the vet who cropped the ears for the breeder, but my own vet. FWIW he said that he has a dog with cropped ears. It looks like my puppy has a pretty long crop.
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Usually the cup is left on for as long as it will hold. But if it falls off it's not dramatic. My girl's fell off after a few days, but she wasn't bothering her ears/stitches whatsoever so I just let her ears hang until the remaining stitches were ready to come out and the ears were fully healed.
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I agree with Artemis. I leave the cup on as long as it will stay on. In fact the various vets who cropped my puppies have always told the breeder to tell the puppy people that so they don't try to take them off too soon.

I can, but don't put cups back on if they fall off very soon after the crop. But I've got practice putting cups on for the vet who cropped them while they are still out from the anesthesia.

I will say that I've never had a vet that cropped any puppies for me use dissovable sutures. Specifically because it takes so long for them to actually dissolve. And the only puppy I've ever seen in person who did have dissolvable sutures had some problems with minor ear edge infections so we had to wait to post longer than you normally do with regular sutures material.

I'd leave the cup on as long as it stays on and remove it if it starts to come loose and just let the ears hang.

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I found the use of dissolvable stitches odd as well given what I have read. Nevertheless, I have seen the breeder's vet recommended for ear cropping on various forums. Perhaps they thought they were doing the eventual owners of each pup a favor by using dissolvable. I won't touch the cup, thanks for the advice! If it's been 14 days since the crop and the cup falls off in the next few days, is it worth asking the vet to remove the dissolvable stitches instead of letting them dissolve on their own?
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Can you post a photo? I've never seen dissolving sutures on an ear crop.
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Can you post a photo? I've never seen dissolving sutures on an ear crop.
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Dang! DT doesn't like me today--it disappeared a post from this thread too.

I said that I had always thought that they didn't use disolvable sutures on ears for a couple of reasons 1) Because they take so long to disolve and 2) because they are thicker than regular sutures.

I'm not sure that I'd want to try to pull out the dissolvable sutures--if they hadn't dissolved enough to fall out on their own--regular sutures are so thin they really don't feel like much when you pull them out at least when I've removed sutures the puppies don't react like they even feel it much. And the kid who didn't want to go back to the doctor to have the sutures removed from the palm of his hand and decided he'd rather have me do it at home said it didn't feel much like anything when I pulled them out--he thought it was going to hurt--but it didn't. (Don't ask--both his mother and I thought that it was weird that he'd rather have me take them out than go back to the doctor.)

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I managed to get some more pics this morning. It looks like the stitches on the left ear are dissolved. On the right ear, it looks like the bottom two knots that are pictured are dissolved, but the upper two knots are not yet dissolved.
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It looks like a nice ear crop. I would be inclined to remove the stitches. The ears are almost completely healed and could be posted were it not for the remaining stitches.
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The cup fell off, and his remaining stitches fell off at the same time!! There was a lot of tape reside on the back of his ears. I used uni-solve to get it all off and then cleaned out his ears. There are still some small scabs at the very top of one ear, and his ears are very floppy. A breeder told me to wait until the ears are completely healed before posting, so I should give it a day or two? Should I do anything like tape his ears back in the meantime? They are flopping out otherwise.
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Just let them hang. If you really feel like it, you can tape them loosely to each other, one tip to the other, over the top of his head (NO tape over a scab or sore area), but that really isn't necessary. You've got plenty of time to post him once his ears are totally healed.

You really need to wait until he has pink healthy looking skin everywhere before you start posting. If you start too early and he ends up with an infection, you'll lose a lot more posting time while you're trying to get rid of that than you will just waiting an extra few days before you begin to post.

It can even take up to a week or so after stitches are removed or the cup falls off, before their ears are healed enough to post (though it sounds like his are further along than that) so it's OK. There's no need to rush it.
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Just let them hang. If you really feel like it, you can tape them loosely to each other, one tip to the other, over the top of his head (NO tape over a scab or sore area), but that really isn't necessary. You've got plenty of time to post him once his ears are totally healed.

You really need to wait until he has pink healthy looking skin everywhere before you start posting. If you start too early and he ends up with an infection, you'll lose a lot more posting time while you're trying to get rid of that than you will just waiting an extra few days before you begin to post.

It can even take up to a week or so after stitches are removed or the cup falls off, before their ears are healed enough to post (though it sounds like his are further along than that) so it's OK. There's no need to rush it.
Awesome, thanks so much to you and everyone else who replied! By the looks of it, he'll be healed and ready to post in 2 to 3 days, but I'll look closely for any small scabs or sores that I may have missed.
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