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Infection After Crop

Hello everyone. We cropped Rocco's ears last week. He was 11 weeks old at the time. The tape was taken off yesterday and we go back in to take out the stitches next Wednesday. I am concerned because the tape that was on him really irritated my dobermans skin. The vet said it is commonly seen in dobermans to be sensitive to the tape. (I was upset because if he knew that he should have used a different adhesive) There was blood coating his fur which is why we took him in a day earlier than planned, we thought his ears were oozing. The vet reassured us his ears looked pretty good and dobermans are prone to bleed. Once the tape was off we realized that there seemed to be a wound on his neck from where the tape was wrapped around. It almost feels like a callus but it is now starting to ooze. Looking back I think that may have been the problem all along! Rocco doesn't seem to be in any pain but we are very concerned about his neck. I have attached some pictures. It is hard to see what is going on with his fur in the way. We are calling the doctor asap but i was wondering if anyone else has experienced something similar? This is our first doberman.
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Please take him to a different vet and take anything off his ears that is still on there. The reason the ears are a mess is the vet basically mummified them while they were still healing. There was no way for any airflow to get down there for the newly cropped ears to scab over, it simply festered. Why are his feet taped? This is so frustrating but I'm glad you're here for help. That poor puppy though... I want to know what vet did this so future puppy people can avoid him.
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Please go to the top of the ear forum and read the sticky thread on the dos and don'ts of ear cropping.
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I feel horrible for putting my dog through this. He's still running around and happy but that cannot be comfortable. The vet is Dr. Jones at the Wapato Toppenish Veterinary clinic in Washington. We looked around he seemed to have great reviews and he performs about 30 crops a month. We drove 2 hours to get there. Such a mistake.

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Unfortunately people see this scenario and how messy it can be and it's exactly why we are fighting an uphill battle to keep cropping and docking legal. If that's all I knew about this I would want it outlawed too...

Don't beat yourself up over it though, just take him to another vet and have it checked out. Again, no bandages over the ears at all! The gunk on his neck looks like it could just be what collected under the bandaging and traveled down under the portion that goes under his neck. You can try to clean it up with warm soap and water, but if the skin looks raw or inflamed it's best to let a vet do it- and he could need to be on antibiotics.

That Doctor has no business cropping ears or tending to them post crop. I'm just being honest- the crop style is not a good style for a doberman either.
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There is hope...stay in touch with us.......and a new vet...you are going to need as much support as you can get with this situation.....

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Good luck with your boy! Poor pupper, but one thing about dobies is that with proper care, they bounce back! Once he's all healed up, this will just be a not so nice memory that you'll be able to cover up with great, fun adventures with Rocco! You'll find a lot of help here, so keep coming back for updates and posting questions as needed! Like someone above said, check out the helpful stickies on the Cropping Thread. The vet that cropped my puppy's ears did not wrap them up and they were left open to dry and heal, but after stitches came out a few weeks later, when they brought him back to me they were completely wrapped up very much like in your last picture! I was conflicted because of course, they're the vets so ... they know what they're doing, right?? Who was I to think otherwise? But the people here are super informed about dobermans and cropping, and I know they said that ears should not be wrapped up at any point. So I took the tape off, and boy was it a messy, heart wrenching process! I thought his ears were ruined forever with the amount of fur and skin that got pulled off, and there was blood and gunk. But after cleaning, allowing him to heal, and posting (omg, how I cried about posting! It was so frustrating for me, but the forum folk wouldn't let me give up!) his ears turned out beautiful!

You're doing the right thing by asking for help and not just taking the word of a vet who probably is a good medical vet but doesn't know as much about dobermans and ear cropping as he's letting on. Always advocate for your pup! Good luck with everything!

Also, if you don't mind me asking, what happened to his paws that they're all wrapped up like that?
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Thanks for chiming in Gamer.......many visit our forum read about the posting processes within our forum resources ...BUT ...still after reading about it.....it can be frustrating if you have never posted before....... we can talk you through it as you begin posting the ears yourself.......so do not be ashamed .......we love these dogs ...no matter what......we will help you.

So chin up.......first things first......let's get pup to another vet and get things healed up real good..............
Some folks post ears for quite some time ....so you have time............just take it day by day.............

BTY........this forum has the many experienced owners in the area of posting ...........so .....no worries ......we have so many that people that visit us with issues similar to this......real bad experiences as new owners because it's there first experience with cropping.......and yes like you ....we trust our vets....especially when we do not know any better........

So we can help you through this............so lets work on the healing......stay in touch and let us know how things are going........

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I'm guessing his paws are wrapped or in socks to keep him from scratching his ears while they are healing??
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This makes me so angry, not at the OP but at the vet. I agree with other members, this vet has absolutely no business cropping or caring for pups after crop. It never ceases to amaze me how many vets want to bandage/tape over freshly cropped ears. Also, shame on your breeder for leaving you to find someone to crop.

To the OP, don’t burden yourself with guilt, you went with the advice of a vet, shame on him for being an asshat! Move forward, find a new vet (hopefully someone will chime in and direct you to a qualified one in your are). His ears need to heal completely before you even consider posting them, don’t worry about them standing, it’s a very short crop and you shouldn’t have a lot of issues with it. He needs antibiotics and please take that tape off of his feet, monitor and distract if he is scratching. Also, don’t let your pup sense that you’re worried or upset about his ears, if you act like it’s no big deal it will be no big deal to him.

Lean on the people on this forum many have decades of experience and read posts on here about ear cropping. Best of luck!
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Gah, I'm also FURIOUS to see this...furious! I'm sorry, isenia21...I know you didn't know any better, but like greenkouki said, this is EXACTLY why people want to ban cropping. No good cropping vet does anything like this, and this is why good breeders do not let owners handle cropping themselves. What a nightmare...

For anyone reading along...this is NOT what a good cropper does! Please, take this puppy to a different veterinarian and don't step foot in that vet's office again! If there's a way to provide online feedback, write a bad review! You don't need to be mean, but you can state simply and clearly that this is not a quality crop, the aftercare was not to the industry standard, etc.

The puppy needs to have everything removed from his ears, likely needs antibiotics, and needs everything cleaned up. I'm sorry you didn't receive a good, aesthetically pleasing crop, either.
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He may be scratching at this point because his ears are really bothering him. Pups generally don't scratch at a normally healing crop more than once or twice. I think simple socks with just a loose strip of tape at the top to keep them on until his ears aren't so inflamed might be OK for a couple of days, but not an actual tape wrapping. If that is tape on his feet, take it off. Use baby oil to make the tape unsticky so you won't pull on his hair or skin when you remove it.

Of course, with socks, you will have to monitor the pup full-time anyway, to make sure he doesn't pull them off and eat them. So no socks while he's in a crate or otherwise unattended. And you should get rid of them as soon as possible. The benefit may not be worth the bother.
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It just blows my mind that vets can be so ignorant about cropping - you would not put tape over other sutures.... so why do they do it for cropped ears??!!

Everyone else has given you good advice - I'd find a different vet for sure.

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Welcome to DT.

Poor pup... Everyone else has given you good advice, so I'm not going to add to it. I do want to address one thing, though. There is a bleeding disorder that is not uncommon in Dobermans, called von Willebrand's Disease. https://www.vetgen.com/canine-vwd1.html However, the vet's dismissive statement that "Dobermans are prone to bleed" shows that they don't understand it, and is another good reason to not return.

There are several companies that offer a DNA test for vWD. There are three possible results form the test: Clear (-/-), meaning there is no risk of bleeding associated with vWD, Carrier (+/-), again, no risk of vWD related bleeding, or Affected (+/+), meaning that the dog may be at risk for excessive bleeding and/or prolonged clotting time. Knowing your guy's status would be a good idea for future reference, since clinically affected dogs (those known to have abnormal bleeding) may require special medications to help with blood clotting after surgical procedures.


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I feel horrible for putting my dog through this. He's still running around and happy but that cannot be comfortable. The vet is Dr. Jones at the Wapato Toppenish Veterinary clinic in Washington. We looked around he seemed to have great reviews and he performs about 30 crops a month. We drove 2 hours to get there. Such a mistake.
I'm so sorry you have had a realty rotten experience. I'll tell you that we've heard about this vet in the past from someone who was referred there because it was the ONLY place that would crop in the immediate area. I've looked it up a couple of times to tell people who asked getting a dog cropped there and this is no place to get a Dobe cropped.

He may be cropping 30 crops a month but I believe from what I've been told that most of the crops are on various Bully breeds who have pretty different crops than Dobes.

As someone else said--don't beat yourself --you didn't know--now you do.

As bad as the ears may look now they will heal and he'll be fine but he probably does need antibiotics at this point so find yourself a good local vet--tell them they won't have to post ears or anything like that--all you are going to want them to do is clean up the messy ears, the place on his neck prescribe and give antibiotics as necessary and don't even take him back to Dr Jones to remove the sutures--any vet can remove those--then leave his ears just hang until they are completely and totally healed. Ask any questions you have here and other folks have referred to you the stickies about how to post ears and we have plenty of people who can help walk you through that too.

Rosemary filled you in an the Dobermans bleed business--that infuriates me that a practicing veterinarian would be so cavalier about what he said when it isn't the case at all. Even affected (Dobermans with two genes for vWD) rarely are clinical--most of them don't bleed any more than any dog.

As far as the tape goes--yes, it's possible that your puppy has an adhesive allergy. A good many people, dogs and cats are allergic to latex adhesives. But I'd bet that it isn't an allergy that was making mess of your puppies ears--much more likely that was an infection of the crop site itself, buried under all that tape.

We'll help you--just ask. I used know a Dobe breeder in Wenatchee but I realized that she'd moved some time ago--I'll see if I can find someone if you get to a point where you need some show and tell to help with the posting.

Good luck...

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Oh my goodness.. poor baby.. After seeing this I feel so blessed I had such a great and knowledgeable breeder..Beshara Kennels.. Adel has the pups ears cropped at 8 weeks old and let’s them completely heal before any posting is done..never allows them to be posted before 12 weeks old.. but he won’t release any puppy before it’s 12 weeks old.. and then he teaches you how to post.. our experience with this was really good.. everyone else here are completely right.. you trusted a vet.. don’t feel bad.. your pup won’t remember this and his hair will grow back just fine..if I could figure out how to post pictures I would show you pictures of Najee and her ears posted.. your boy is gonna be just fine.. this process is way harder on the parent than the pup.. I also have Min Pins and unfortunately got a bad vet that cropped them.. horrible experience.. but the dogs are just fine.. they are 12 years old now.. well one is we lost our male to cancer a few months back.. 😢 but his sister is going strong.. this vet did bully cuts on them too.. even though I brought pictures in and my year old Min Pin whose ears are perfect.. he came highly recommended.. but still messed up their ears.. was really nervous about Najee’s.. especially since I never had a Doberman and I could remember the Min Pin experience like it was yesterday.. as I said.. they were just fine.. I was traumatized.. especially since I had rescued the brother and sister pair.. anyways..sorry to rattle.. I’m speaking from experience.. just let him heal.. read the threads on how to post.. these nice people on here are really knowledgeable.. and I’m actually on this site because my breeder Adel kept telling me to come here and meet all these Doberman lovers.. and learn from them.. Adel is a great guy.. loves this breed.. goes out of his way to keep the integrity of this breed.. and will talk to anyone anytime about The Doberman.. you don’t have to be getting a puppy from him.. he loves to share his knowledge and love of the dog..
Good luck with your pup.. figured out how to post pictures 😂😂 one picture is 2 of the Min Pins.. the light colored one is the male with the bully cut.. but as you can see he was completely fine afterwards.. 😀 lived a full life regardless of the war experience..
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Oh my goodness.. poor baby.. After seeing this I feel so blessed I had such a great and knowledgeable breeder..Beshara Kennels.. Adel has the pups ears cropped at 8 weeks old and let’s them completely heal before any posting is done..never allows them to be posted before 12 weeks old.. but he won’t release any puppy before it’s 12 weeks old.. and then he teaches you how to post.. our experience with this was really good.. everyone else here are completely right.. you trusted a vet.. don’t feel bad.. your pup won’t remember this and his hair will grow back just fine..if I could figure out how to post pictures I would show you pictures of Najee and her ears posted.. your boy is gonna be just fine.. this process is way harder on the parent than the pup.. I also have Min Pins and unfortunately got a bad vet that cropped them.. horrible experience.. but the dogs are just fine.. they are 12 years old now.. well one is we lost our male to cancer a few months back.. 😢 but his sister is going strong.. this vet did bully cuts on them too.. even though I brought pictures in and my year old Min Pin whose ears are perfect.. he came highly recommended.. but still messed up their ears.. was really nervous about Najee’s.. especially since I never had a Doberman and I could remember the Min Pin experience like it was yesterday.. as I said.. they were just fine.. I was traumatized.. especially since I had rescued the brother and sister pair.. anyways..sorry to rattle.. I’m speaking from experience.. just let him heal.. read the threads on how to post.. these nice people on here are really knowledgeable.. and I’m actually on this site because my breeder Adel kept telling me to come here and meet all these Doberman lovers.. and learn from them.. Adel is a great guy.. loves this breed.. goes out of his way to keep the integrity of this breed.. and will talk to anyone anytime about The Doberman.. you don’t have to be getting a puppy from him.. he loves to share his knowledge and love of the dog..
Good luck with your pup.. figured out how to post pictures 😂😂 one picture is 2 of the Min Pins.. the light colored one is the male with the bully cut.. but as you can see he was completely fine afterwards.. 😀 lived a full life regardless of the war experience..
This thread really isn't the place to discuss your breeder and their breeding practices...maybe start another thread if you'd like to do that.


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Holy cow! That is malpractice. Period. 25 years with a vet clinic and I’ve never seen anyone wrap up a puppy with tape like that. Just horrible and inexcusable - that BS about Dobermans being more apt to bleed and more prone to tape sensitivity is just to CYA for their horrible decision to tape that puppy up like a mummy. They don’t send home spayed dogs with a mass of mummifying tape all over the surgery area and wrapped tightly around the dog’s belly. Why? Because those dogs would all come back with raging infections. WTF! Bad bad medicine. Wait, bad bad witchcraft. Sheesh. Rant over.

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Any update for us? How's your pup doing?
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I was hoping for an update too.
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Rocco is all healed up now and his ears look much better! Here was a picture from last week when we replaced the posts. Glad that nightmare is done and the vet said he is doing just fine (new vet). The new nightmare is posting! We are trying to get the hang of it but it can be a little difficult. The feedback and tips on this site save us. Thank you everyone and sorry for the late update! Most importantly Rocco is happy and healthy.
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Rocco is all healed up now and his ears look much better! Here was a picture from last week when we replaced the posts. Glad that nightmare is done and the vet said he is doing just fine (new vet). The new nightmare is posting! We are trying to get the hang of it but it can be a little difficult. The feedback and tips on this site save us. Thank you everyone and sorry for the late update! Most importantly Rocco is happy and healthy.
I'm glad he's doing better...I'm a little confused, maybe one of the photos in your first post just didn't translate well, because the shape in the second photo from your first post made the ears look way different. I think maybe it was something weird about how the photo came across. He looks MUCH better now!


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What MC said ^^^^

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I'm glad he's doing better...I'm a little confused, maybe one of the photos in your first post just didn't translate well, because the shape in the second photo from your first post made the ears look way different. I think maybe it was something weird about how the photo came across. He looks MUCH better now!
I was thinking the same thing!

So glad to hear that Rocco is doing better, his ears look MUCH better too. Thanks for coming back and giving us an update, hope you stick around so we can watch him grow.
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