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She’s definitely getting atleast 4 a day. I wasn’t sure if soaking in water would give her diarrhea. We feed her three times a day now and around a cup and a half each. I don’t measure but I’m sure that’s how much! She was only eating twice a day two weeks ago I didn’t wana over feed her and then she grew so fast I didn’t up her food when I should have! Doing the best I can now! Because I had a min pin she didn’t look off at first! I’ve never had a big dog myself as an adult haha!
Would soaking the food help her?
If you don't measure her food, how do you know she's getting at least four cups a day? If you don't already have one, go out and buy a standard 8 ounce measuring cup.

While I might not follow the recommendations on the bag to the letter, I still measure my dogs food at each feeding.
Well I cook very often and can estimate with my eyes a cup or so! I have a lot of measuring cups here I can use just didn’t feel the need! Often times when we give her a lot in her bowl she slows down! That’s the past week of course..
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Yeah... It does help.

Recently I wanted McCoy to drop a couple of lb. I simply cut his per meal amount by about 1/3 of a cup and paid closer attention to his treats. He dropped 1 1/2 lb. very quickly. I kept his food intake lower because he gets lees exercise in the dead of winter. The only way I could do that was because I measure his kibble at every feeding.

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Guess I have to start measuring!! We are going to start buying the large bag of food so I’ll get a measuring cup specifically for her food and leave it!!
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Morticias Dobe,

I would be very careful with this sort of recommendation. It has been speculated, over many years that adding a thyroid supplement will fix any number of problems. Cardio and vWD are two of the ones most referenced. And over the years there have been many studies done and none of the results (so far--it's always possible something new will be discovered) have established that thyroid issues when treated will fix vWD or DCM.

I would discuss this with my vet if you have questions.

Bleeding off and on when clots/scabs break off is NOT an diagnosis for positive/clinical vWD.

Beyond anything else--generally very young dogs/puppies do not have low thyroid issues--it's possible but although you can test for genetic based vWD very early, as nursing puppies I'd be worried about a vet who administered thyroxin as a solution to bleeding in a puppy without fully testing the puppy for thyroid levels. There are things that will stop vWD bleeding--but they aren't thyroxin.

I don't recommend doing any kind of unnecessary surgery on any dog--and although my own dogs have been either carriers or clear I had one male who bled like a stuck pig during ear cropping. He was actually clear when tested later. But the vet thought and although there was no test for it at the time he probably had a totally unrelated blood factor issue going on.

Good luck with your puppy and I stick with what I said in the first place--your description of the bleeding sounded entirely normal--nothing terribly unusual to clots and scabs to fall off and the raw tissue will them bleed until a new clot is formed.

A vet or vet specialist is the best person to determine what, if anything, should be used to stop bleeding on an ear edge.

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Yes much appreciated. As with all suggestions and stuff like this I plan on talking it over well with her vet. I already mentioned to him that she tested positive morning of her surgery and that I plan on doing the genetic test for her to know for sure. I want to know 100% and also if she does I really would want to do all things I can to protect her!
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I went back through this thread, but I might be missing how old she is. In the latest set of pictures, she looks really young, like about 6 or 7 weeks?
She will be 15 weeks this coming Monday... she’s tiny 😢💔
She’s tall but thin and her face isn’t as big as other dobies her age.
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Hey Morticia.........good to see you are hanging in there and continuing to ask questions like a great Mama!
Funny story ....I remember reading a post on this forum about an over weight dog.......they were insisting only 4 cups a day ...turned out they were using a Red Solo cup..........which is alot more than 4 measuring cups........LOL
So regarding weight concerns .....take us back in time......how old is our little Morticia.............?
Before Hoss lost his baby teeth.......I gave him "RAW" beef marrow bones.....I stress raw ........
they were REAL LARGE .......this is very important that the bone is large ....so he could not swallow the bone.....that would cause an obstruction......do not want that ..... ......and only given the raw beef shank bone when I was there to watch him eat the bone............evening TV time was best ...........that marrow will fatten up any pup........once Hoss became 1 year ....had to slow down on the raw beef shank bones.......he was getting to fat from the marrow....my Vet approved of them for the first year ...........after that the marrow was considered to rich for Hoss.......(I still give him one every weekend) shhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
I will have to take a PIC for you...he sucks on that raw beef shank bone like a baby bottle.
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Hahaha so funny I won’t tell!! And I’d LOVE TO SEE A PIC!!!

So would it be ok to give her one even if she isn’t on a raw diet? I have wondered if even thou she’s on puppy kibble.. if it would mess with her stomach giving raw meat too!
I love this post!! Just picturing Hoss sucking on a huge bone haha!! I can’t wait to see! I just imagine my Morticia omg she would go nuts!!!

Also.. was that in place of a meal? Or on top of his normal food?!
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My son was taking pictures the whole vet visit yesterday! Thought these might help give a better look at her size and weight.
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A marrow bone could be OK, but only make one change in her food or surroundings at a time, and take 2-3 weeks to make the change.

So, especially for a new puppy, if she's on a new food, has added oral antibiotics or other meds, or has undergone stress like a surgery, travel or boarding, or is new to your home, hold off on anything additional like a marrow bone and make sure her tummy is tolerating where she is, and whatever she is on at the moment.

High fat can mess up a young pup's digestion; too much fat can be bad for a dog's pancreas (though dogs can eat a lot more fat than we humans should without trouble.) The bottom line is that if she gets diarrhea or a tummy upset, decrease in energy, etc. and she's had a couple of new things in the last week, you won't know which change/addition is the root of the trouble.

Not to mention that the trouble could be due to something else entirely (worms, eating something she shouldn't), and you might just be tempted to say...."ahh, it's because I gave her a lot of new stuff recently."

So go a little slow with the supplements and extras. Let her get stable on whatever food you've chosen (provided it's a good quality food and you've found the right quantity to feed her) and then add stuff one at a time if she still seems to need something to get healthy.


In your pics, I think she does look a lot better in terms of weight than she did. Her hip bones are still a little sticky-outy and she's a little light on the muscle perhaps (I'm looking at her back legs in particular) but she's coming along.

Keep it up, mom.

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It would be OK, but only make one change in her food or surroundings at a time, and take 2-3 weeks to make the change.

So if she's on a new food, has added oral antibiotics or other meds, or has undergone stress like a surgery, or is new to your home, hold off on anything additional like a marrow bone and make sure her tummy is tolerating where she is, and whatever she is on at the moment.

High fat can mess up a young pup's digestion; too much fat can be bad for a dog's pancreas (though dogs can eat a lot more fat than we humans do without trouble.) The bottom line is that if she gets diarrhea or a tummy upset, decrease in energy, etc. and she's had a couple of new things in the last week, you won't know which change/addition is the root of the trouble.

Not to mention that the trouble could be due to something else entirely (worms, eating something she shouldn't), and you might just be tempted to say...."ahh, it's because I gave her a lot of new stuff recently."

So go a little slow with the supplements. Let her get stable on whatever food you've chosen (provided it's a good quality food and you've found the right quantity to feed her) and then add stuff one at a time if she still seems to need something to get healthy.
Thanks! So she is currently still taking antibiotics orally.. and so I’m thinking I should wait a couple weeks and then try! I slowly switched her food when she came home.. I was giving her the same food she was given BUT she got watery diarrhea after a few days and so I started feeding her white rice and chicken with some broth.. her poop was much better and then slowly switched to Nutri Source large breed puppy. Her stomach handles it very well!! But I’d love to be able to give her a raw beef bone!!

I really considered a raw diet but want to get all this healing done and wait til she’s a little bigger.. then I might switch her completely.. I have time to decide haha!

But I’d love to give a good big bone!!
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In your pics, I think she does look a lot better in terms of weight than she did. Her hip bones are still a little sticky-outy and she's a little light on the muscle perhaps (I'm looking at her back legs in particular) but she's coming along.

Keep it up, mom.
Yes her hip bones are still kinda out! But her ribs are almost hidden!!
And yes it’s been super wet and rainy and with her still at some risk for parvo we haven’t took her to really get a good run! She goes crazy indoors and we have a good size living room but I’m thinking that’s why she’s not as muscular yet.
I’m just glad to see her getting to a better size in a short time! Gives me hope she will be good in like two weeks!! I’m focused!!
She’s such a happy girl I just had no idea!! Shoot when my kids are hungry they don’t shut up hahahahah!!! Especially my two youngest!! Always begging for food haha! Not Morticia!
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I can’t find Zonas tape in store only online.. I want to start posting tonight not that stitches are off! Is there any other tape I can use besides that tape for now?
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If the stitches just came out today you will need to wait a little longer before posting. Get the 1" wide 12 pack of zonas tape from Amazon.
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Ok thanks!! Then I have time to order!
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They have been off a few days and are bent as they haven’t been standing for a week now I was just wanting to put them up asap after her bath! I got everything else on the list except the tape
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Does she have ANY scabs or tender looking areas still??

It is better to wait until her ears are completely healed than to start to early and end up with an infection. You still have plenty of time; it's OK for her ears to flop at this point.

You can use Johnson and Johnson coach's tape available at Walgreen's etc. but you will have to use a lot of care unsticking the tape...you'll need baby oil or unisolve on hand.
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Does she have ANY scabs or tender looking areas still??

It is better to wait until her ears are completely healed than to start to early and end up with an infection. You still have plenty of time; it's OK for her ears to flop at this point.

You can use Johnson and Johnson coach's tape available at Walgreen's etc. but you will have to use a lot of care unsticking the tape...you'll need baby oil or unisolve on hand.
She has some on the edge of her ears some but nothing on the inside of her ears I’m going to bathe her (not her head just body) and also clean her ears with this cleanser I got at her vet and can get a better idea of what they look like once their clean and snap some pix


I bought that little powder bottle before I found the Caldesene! And got the cleaner at her vet
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Wondering if I can post them with the edges exposed the just seem like their hardening and they have been down little over a week... I just worry haha!
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OK.....stop worrying about posting.......you have months to get those ears up.......better to initially start with nice ...well healed healthy ears ............

Also I learned a trick with ear cleaning solutions............dogs shake their heads and throw the fluid all over when you just squirt the fluid into the ear .........plus its sometimes real cold.........remember getting drops put into your ears as a kid....
so imagine how a dog would feel.........

So here's my trick.......let it come to room temp. then squirt the fluid onto a large cotton ball first .......then stick the large cotton ball into the ear and lightly press ........then stand back and let them shake.........

My vet encourages me to NOT clean ears real often.......not unless REAL dirty..........that build up in their ears serves a purpose.....

So in your case .....certain you want to clean due to recent cropping .........but later no need to do this ear cleaning real often ..... nature has its way ......

As far as marrow bones......I leave them in the frig......and before I give to Hoss I take a knife and sorta drill out with the knife a good portion of the marrow..........as others have mentioned that marrow can be very rich ........but with those little sharky teeth they do love to chew for hours........but make sure you are supervising this activity .............gives you a break also..........just make sure they are not ingesting to much of the fat....or any of the actual bone............you can pull the bone from your pup...put in in one of those plastic bags and stick back into the frig for later..............with marrow bones.......bigger is better so they will not swallow the whole bone ....and MODERATION is the key ...........not to much .....to soon.....

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OK.....stop worrying about posting.......you have months to get those ears up.......better to initially start with nice ...well healed healthy ears ............

Also I learned a trick with ear cleaning solutions............dogs shake their heads and throw the fluid all over when you just squirt the fluid into the ear .........plus its sometimes real cold.........remember getting drops put into your ears as a kid....
so imagine how a dog would feel.........

So here's my trick.......let it come to room temp. then squirt the fluid onto a large cotton ball first .......then stick the large cotton ball into the ear and lightly press ........then stand back and let them shake.........

My vet encourages me to NOT clean ears real often.......not unless REAL dirty..........that build up in their ears serves a purpose.....

So in your case .....certain you want to clean due to recent cropping .........but later no need to do this ear cleaning real often ..... nature has its way ......

As far as marrow bones......I leave them in the frig......and before I give to Hoss I take a knife and sorta drill out with the knife a good portion of the marrow..........as others have mentioned that marrow can be very rich ........but with those little sharky teeth they do love to chew for hours........but make sure you are supervising this activity .............gives you a break also..........just make sure they are not ingesting to much of the fat....or any of the actual bone............you can pull the bone from your pup...put in in one of those plastic bags and stick back into the frig for later..............with marrow bones.......bigger is better so they will not swallow the whole bone ....and MODERATION is the key ...........not to much .....to soon.....
Haha ok ok.. lol well I gave her a bath and before I had her in the tub to clean her ears... and as the directions said I put it in the ear and massaged her ear.. she loved it haha.. then she did shake a bit and I went in to clean all that gross stuff from healing! Old blood etc! Soooooo much cleaner!!
Gave her a nice bath.. she smells fantastic and so soft haha! But I for sure saw that they need much more healing before I mess with them!!

And yes the vet recommended this cleaner but I know it’s not going to be used often! I didn’t even think of the temperature that’s a great idea! And using the cotton ball is also a great idea!

Also I appreciate all the advice! And the bone info!! I’ve never given a dog a real bone so want to know how to do it right haha!! Still want a pic! Lol

And she was weighed (cause I asked lol) and was almost 16lbs! She looks great! (IMO)






Just some updates pix!!

Also I’m concerned about bumps around her ears.. wondering if they will go away? The vet said she looked great so I wasn’t worried but thought I’d ask my dobie friends who know best haha!!

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She is so cute !
See PICís of Hossís bone...they are real big.......and that stuff in the middle you can carve out so it does not get all over the floor ......your butcher might be able to help you out with some good raw beef bones........the knuckle bones are real large also and the cartilage and tissue around the joint is good for pups....once those adult teeth come in will be time to slow down on marrow bones. ...hard chewers can break teeth .....or adults can get to fat off of these bones.....but little pups......yum yum.......just remember moderation with that little belly....!!
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See PIC’s of Hoss’s bone...they are real big.......and that stuff in the middle you can carve out so it does not get all over the floor ......your butcher might be able to help you out with some good raw beef bones........the knuckle bones are real large also and the cartilage and tissue around the joint is good for pups....once those adult teeth come in will be time to slow down on marrow bones. ...hard chewers can break teeth .....or adults can get to fat off of these bones.....but little pups......yum yum.......just remember moderation with that little belly....!!
Ahhh such great info!!!! I love it!! She’s going to be so excited to have something so yummy and new!! I’ll have to take some pix when we give her one!!
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Hi Morticia's Mom,

I missed this thread yesterday but just wanted to tell you that the Johnson and Johnson Zonas tape which you've already found is nearly impossible to find locally (only medical supply places usually have it)--you can usually buy it from your vet==it's what most clinics use for bandaging wounds. But if you need to get something locally (and you actually have plenty of time to order the Zonas--since you found that she had a lot more scabby spots on her ear edges than you though once you cleaned them up),

The Johnson and Johnson Coach Sports tape is pretty available at Walgreens, Walmart and other pharmacies--it is virtually identical to the Zonas tape--it's low tack (not very sticky) breathable, fabric, with latex adhesive--and works well on ears. When you do start posting be sure to go and read the sticky in the ear posting section on how to remove tape without pain to the puppy.

The Coach Sports tape comes in 1-1/2 inch wide (very rarely you'll find it in 1" wide) I actually prefer 3/4' tape to use for posting so I just split the 1-1/2' Coach tape.

And as Lady Di said--don't worry about starting posting or the fact that her ears are down for a week or more. You do have plenty of time and her bases are already looking strong so it's more effective to get the entire ear edge completely healed before you start posting. Posting over scabs or raw spots is just asking for more trouble that you and Morticia don't need.

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Hi Morticia's Mom,

I missed this thread yesterday but just wanted to tell you that the Johnson and Johnson Zonas tape which you've already found is nearly impossible to find locally (only medical supply places usually have it)--you can usually buy it from your vet==it's what most clinics use for bandaging wounds. But if you need to get something locally (and you actually have plenty of time to order the Zonas--since you found that she had a lot more scabby spots on her ear edges than you though once you cleaned them up),

The Johnson and Johnson Coach Sports tape is pretty available at Walgreens, Walmart and other pharmacies--it is virtually identical to the Zonas tape--it's low tack (not very sticky) breathable, fabric, with latex adhesive--and works well on ears. When you do start posting be sure to go and read the sticky in the ear posting section on how to remove tape without pain to the puppy.

The Coach Sports tape comes in 1-1/2 inch wide (very rarely you'll find it in 1" wide) I actually prefer 3/4' tape to use for posting so I just split the 1-1/2' Coach tape.

And as Lady Di said--don't worry about starting posting or the fact that her ears are down for a week or more. You do have plenty of time and her bases are already looking strong so it's more effective to get the entire ear edge completely healed before you start posting. Posting over scabs or raw spots is just asking for more trouble that you and Morticia don't need.

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Ahh thanks! I have amazon prime so ordering will have fast delivery for zonas. I want to use what is best for her and so was on the hunt! I didn’t think to ask her vet but I’ll call them and see. And I did look for the coach tape but not at Walmart or Walgreens! Such good info!

And so glad to hear her bases look strong.. they looked like they were getting hard so I got worried but since the days have passed.. since I’ve cleaned them up they look fantastic! Sooo much better and almost completely clear of all scabs!! Their healing so fast I’m so excited for this part to be over haha!!

I really appreciate everyone helping me thru this process it means so much to me and my baby girl!

When all her scabs are clear and no raw parts I’ll post some pix! She does also see her vet on the 15th so if I’m unsure I’ll ask.. and I think if I wanted to bring her in to look they wouldn’t even charge me! They didn’t even charge me to take her stitches out!! It’s been great since making the decision to not return to the surgery vet and go to her primary was almost out off because I was worried the cost would be huge! Past two appointments have been free! I’m so happy she has a great place! Anyways haha.. thanks a ton!

Now our only obstacle besides learning to post is her poddy training! She’s gone backwards I’m like seriously girl?? Ugh!! I wish I could just put a diaper on her like my baby boy haha!!
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You are doing great ......frequent opportunities to do business outside is the key. Their babies with little bladders ...so keep a close eye on pup .....watch your dog.....study her body language...........and before you know it .....you will be able to see /read the signs of your pup needing to do her business. Seriously.....take time to just watch her .....they do all kids of things with their eyes and faces......sometimes I think its fun to just try to predict what their thinking or going to do next ........very important to get started on this process of body language and seriously its just fun ........especially at this age when everything is new to them..........she is just so cute!!!

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You are doing great ......frequent opportunities to do business outside is the key. Their babies with little bladders ...so keep a close eye on pup .....watch your dog.....study her body language...........and before you know it .....you will be able to see /read the signs of your pup needing to do her business. Seriously.....take time to just watch her .....they do all kids of things with their eyes and faces......sometimes I think its fun to just try to predict what their thinking or going to do next ........very important to get started on this process of body language and seriously its just fun ........especially at this age when everything is new to them..........she is just so cute!!!
Thanks!! She was doing great when she first came then I don’t know!! Almost 16 weeks I’m like girrrrrl!!! The other night laying on my lap in bed sleeping then stood up.. and within seconds peed right on my bed!!!! I was like NOOOOO HAHA!! hubby grabbed her real fast but she had peed a lot fast!!! We don’t ever yell or punish but she still goes where she wants!

It’s been extremely wet here and actually air of surrounding places flooding.. so we put some pads in the kitchen to have her go as out backyard has been real moody and front yard is rocks.. but she doesn’t always go on them! And then it’s even harder to get her to go on grass. I’m like great!!

And she goes in her crate. Doesn’t make a sound when she wakes to go poddy and I’m a light sleeper... she just goes!

I feel like it will be a struggle. BUT I’ll stick to it as long as I can I know their so smart she will get it one day haha!!

And.... man a lot of the time the way she sits is the exact way she pees.. it’s so confusing haha! Sometimes I think she’s going pee but she’s just sitting lol and other times.. she’s peeing and I think she’s sitting haha!! This girl!! I never study her face for that.. I’ll try and watch her more and see!!! And thanks so much!! I wana see a pic of hoss!!
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Isn’t he just perfect !!!!! LOL
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