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Grizzly the Pup--read this!

I replied to a pm from the owner of Grizzly the Pup which was about ear posting--and a newly cropped puppy who evidently left the vet with newly cropped ears posted and with a cone (e-collar) on.

I tried to answer the post but the inbox is full. I'm concerned that this puppy who seems to be somewhere in the Pacific Northwest has newly cropped ears posted! We are at the beginning of a predicted 5 day period of very elevated temperatures and although as far as I'm concerned ears should NEVER be posted immediately after cropping (the sutures should be out and the ears entirely healed before ANY posting is done) I'm doubly concerned because of the predicted temperatures that the owner take those ears down and not leave them posted.

If anyone knows this owner and can get word to her please do--if she empties the in-box I'll send the pm to her and I'll keep check DT today.

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Try sending a visitor message to this person. If you click on the name it will bring you to the profile and you can leave a message there. Having said that, the owner will get an email telling them their PM box is full and that you tried to send a private message (whenever it was that you tried to send one). At this point, I think you tried your best to help and hopefully we hear from this person soon.
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Hey bug

Couldn't find any Grizzly the pup,was it GrizzlytheDobe? If so, I will visitor message them and express your concerns, ask them to clear their mailbox and to re-contact you via PM. If they are in the Portland area, I would be more than happy to run by and get an eye on exactly whats going on. (Yeah its going to be HOT. Ugh.....

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I PM'd GrizzlytheDobe (Join date 6/3/10) with bug's concerns. I am bumping this thread in case they pick it up. Already 100 degrees here this afternoon. The first week in June!?!?
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I PM'd GrizzlytheDobe (Join date 6/3/10) with bug's concerns. I am bumping this thread in case they pick it up. Already 100 degrees here this afternoon. The first week in June!?!?
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That's odd that someone who just joined would have a pm box full already!
Its not. my PM went through. Bug is internet challenged.... LOL. (Ask her)

She rocks an antique computer and is the only person living on the west coast who actually uses a "dial-up" internet access. But, she is a total library of Doberman knowledge and more importantly is my youngest's human Grand mama!

bug was correct. The current weather here is really rough on dogs. Too hot, too soon.
Hopefully Grizzly picks this up

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Hey everyone! Grizzlys my pup, sorry I just know saw this I'm very new to this forum!
Thank you so so much for all of your reccomendations and a concerns! Any concerns/ reccomendations / advice etc. would be greatly appreciated!!
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Also, I am in the Portland area.

This is him the day before and the day after the procedure when I picked him up.
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Hey everyone! Grizzlys my pup, sorry I just know saw this I'm very new to this forum!
Thank you so so much for all of your reccomendations and a concerns! Any concerns/ reccomendations / advice etc. would be greatly appreciated!!
Hi there! Please read dobebug's original comment on this thread. Apparently, you PM'd her about posting. She was concerned with your message vis a vis your description of your puppies ears, the crop and the posting.

I want to say: Welcome! If you are in the Pacific NW, you could not have reached out to a more knowledgeable person than bug.

That being said..... newly cropped ears are NEVER immediately posted. The ears need to heal and the sutures need to be removed before the ears can be taped. There are a variety of methods that good/great croppers use, but all leave the sutured area free of covering until healed. This was dobebugs concern, I believe.

Looking at your pics, something is not right. I would remove all the tape. The pup's newly cropped ears really need to breathe to heal.

I hope others will chime in here

Please keep in touch.

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Edit: So you live in the Portland area? Both bug and I do also and I would be more than willing to help you with posting. Oh... lose the cone collar.

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So here's the story..
We took him to VCA parkway in Tacoma, Washington. They didn't have any openings for a date to be cropped around 12 weeks and assured us he would be perfectly fine to do at 14 weeks. We brought him in on that date, the surgeon said this was definitely not ideal for it to be done at 14 weeks and that it was the receptionist's error and should have been done at 12. She was slightly concerned of his cartlidge that started to form. They then informed us about a condition that dobies commonly have that prevents the blood from clotting. This happened to be his case according to the vet. Therefore he was kept overnight in a compression head band to stop the bleeding. We came to pick him up the next day and he was in extreme pain. He was supposed to be tranquilized for the 3.5 hour ride home but was not. We followed the prescription instructions exactly 2 pain pills a day and 2 antibiotics a day, one in the morning and one at night. He stayed in such great pain all day that we were worried enough to take him into Dove Lewis emergency care. We told them our story and that's when things start to get worse. They said the pill he was prescribed for pain, 2 a day, (one in morning and one in night) would not even cut it. They said to do the same pills but 1.5 pills, three times a day. Then also prescribed a nerve sensitivity blocking medication and an anti inflammatory. We followed Dove Lewis' instructions and he is doing much much better. He's playing, showing no actual signs of pain. Back to eating, drinking and sleeping. He's back to being himself again, very friendly, loving and playful. The surgeon at VCA in Tacoma also said he had some hematomas on his left ear and that should be fine and drain naturally. We have not yet been able to inspect anything due to him have his ears already wrapped. They sent him out of the door with ears up and an e-collar. The wrappings seem to be loose and coming off. He has no real bridge, just tape crossing over his head connecting the two wraps. We are very concerned about all of this and it seems that everything that could possibly gone wrong, has gone wrong. I know this was a huge write up but I didn't want to leave anything out. Now our last concern is the ears being wrapped up as they are. Any help, advice, tips, and knowledge would be extremely appreciated.
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Have a vet take off the bandages. I would say do it yourself, but with the sutures in place it might not be a good idea given your experience. He does not need the e collar either.
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Have a vet take off the bandages. I would say do it yourself, but with the sutures in place it might not be a good idea given your experience. He does not need the e collar either.
Spoke with Grizzly by phone tonight. They thought that they could remove the tape themselves, but would not get carried away. They are removing the collar.

Pup has some issues. Vet was pretty sure vWB, hence the hematoma.
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Couldn't find any Grizzly the pup,was it GrizzlytheDobe? If so, I will visitor message them and express your concerns, ask them to clear their mailbox and to re-contact you via PM. If they are in the Portland area, I would be more than happy to run by and get an eye on exactly whats going on. (Yeah its going to be HOT. Ugh.....

Best to you and yours,

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Hi John,

Yeah, it was definitely GrizzlytheDobe and have since gotten a direct response from Grizzly's mom.
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I just want to thank everyone that gave us any advice/ help / and support.
He's so much happier and himself again.
Those wraps and the cone definitely had to come off.
I'm so thankful for this thread and the amazing community on it
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@ Travis and Ruby. Grizzly looks great! So glad that you reached out.

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Here's an update on Grizzly and his ears.

His dad, Travis, brought him over yesterday and I removed his sutures--well almost all of them. I've taken a lot of sutures out of puppy ears over the years but I was pretty amazed at HOW Grizzly's ears had been sutures--I saw something like this many years ago but nothing recently.

The vet stitched up the ear edge like you'd overstitch a raw edge of fabric to keep it from ravelling. They used very fine suture material and there were about a million stitches--many of them already buried on the nearly healed ear edge in the completely healed areas. And it was one long stitched area--just one length of suture... Grizzly was pretty telerant of being mauled by me while I was locating and (unburying--poor puppy) removing the stitching. The second ear was more of a problem and Grizzly still has about five or six stitches (maybe 5/8") at the base of the second ear--all of the sutures there were buried and the end point (the terminal surgical knot) was so tight that I couldn't lift it enough to clip and free that end. So they are still in but I'd tormented him enough for one day so we'll try to get them out on the next posting.

Since they were at the very base T could and did post his ears.

Very cute red puppy dog--for all of the misery I put him through he was squirmey but good as gold. I'm hoping that those imbedded sutures will be looser by the next posting and I can get them out--if not Grizzly will probably need to be sedated to remove the last sutures.

I don't think this puppy is a bleeder (vWD positive and clinical) I definitly made him bleed a few times where I was lifting nearly buried stitches with suture scissors and the bleeding stopped promptly, But I'll recommend that his owners get the swabs from VetGen and have him tested genetically. That's really the only way to be sure.

If you're reading this Travis--it was nice to meet you and Grizzly--and I apologize for making him miserable while we were getting those sutures out (I should add that a couple of treats and Grizzly forgave me) and you were a good helper--couldn't have done it with out your help.
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UPDATE -
All of Grizzlys Sutures were taken out, We took him to Crossroads Vet Clinic in Sherwood and they got the rest of the Sutures out with just a little bit of numbing.
His ears are looking great, they've been posted for months now and are standing on there own. (while we are still posting them)
It was definitely a very long and hard process at the beginning, but also a learning experience.
This forum fas helped us with countless questions and concerns, and there are so many people available and willing to answer any of them. We couldn't have done it without the help of everyone on DT. So, Thank you to everyone who gave us their input, help and advice. A very Special Thank you to @dobebug and @4x4bike ped for sharing your knowledge and being so willing to help us. I dont know what we would have done without all of you
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Best to both of you and your handsome boy!

Thank you so much for the update. Please keep in touch

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Hi Travis,

I didn't see your update until after I asked on the "bump between the eyes" thread about those last sutures--just glad that they are out--I figured that with just a little numbing with lidocaine it would be easy to do.
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