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Unhappy "rare" fawn doberman for adoption!

Is it just me or does it seem like they are selling these dogs and not trying to adopt them. It seems these "Rare Color" doberman puppies are selling for more than any of their other adoptable dogs.

Adoptable Doberman Pinscher: Fawn--Rare: Petfinder
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At this one guy looks awfully thin!
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Yes, I thought the same thing when I saw them. I also noticed that they did not check "this animal has been altered" for their posting. This "rescue" seems sketchy.
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I looked at the rescue's website, and they said they don't have a spay/neuter program, so I'd guess the animals they rescue aren't altered and won't be.

I found a terms of service for using Petfinder before (I looked it up when I reported the "rescue" that was advertising purebred, full registration Dobes as a courtesy post), but I can't find it again. I'm wondering if it is against the terms of service to advertise dogs and cats that aren't altered.
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I looked at the rescue's website, and they said they don't have a spay/neuter program, so I'd guess the animals they rescue aren't altered and won't be.

I found a terms of service for using Petfinder before (I looked it up when I reported the "rescue" that was advertising purebred, full registration Dobes as a courtesy post), but I can't find it again. I'm wondering if it is against the terms of service to advertise dogs and cats that aren't altered.
I don't think it is because not all county shelters alter BUT these are obvious sales. $300 is alot for a dog from a rescue that isn't even fixed. I would report it to petfinder along with your concerns. If everyone writes and is polite they may pull their petfinder privileges. There is no reason for a RESCUE to charge that much when the dog isn't even altered. Also What rescue has a different fee on every dog? I know some charge more for young or "desirable" dogs and less for harder to adopt dogs but they have some guidlines, and they don't have a different fee on every single dog. I see alot of "rescues" that are actually brokers on petfinder and unless people report the obvious sales nothing can be done. There were some here that ALWAYS had whole purebred litters with an adopt fee of NO less that $550. I saw some at $700. Petfinder pulled them once it was reported.
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This is just heartbreaking.
That fawn Dobe looks like she's being kept in a dingy basement and the black one seems pretty underweight - I don't like seeing hip bones on dogs!

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Aside from the obvious sale there, which is awful, in the past I have sent out angry emails before to local shelters that advertised dilute Dobermans as rare.

I still have the email in my sent box, I was clearly irritated at the time, I'm not going to post the whole thing but my last sentence was "I would think a rescue organization would know better than to glorify a color associated with skin problems."

They changed it pretty quickly

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Please email petfinder and report those ads! There was another thread like this one a while back where a commercial kennel was advertising puppies for sale on petfinder! It makes me sick- ads like that are the reason REAL rescue dogs are on petfinder.
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I only looked at the first link, but can you alter at 12 weeks? Maybe that's why it doesn't say it? I'm not saying this isn't sketchy, but that was the first thing that popped into my head.

I got Donko from a rescue at 8 weeks. I had to sign a neuter contract.
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...can you alter at 12 weeks?
Yes. I know of some shelters/rescues that alter as young as 8 weeks. There is controversy about that, which I won't go into here, but it is done. Also, FWIW, some city/county facilities simply aren't funded for pre-adoption altering. Depending on state law, the adopter either pre-pays altering (then picks up the animal from the vet clinic post-surgery) or the adopter signs a spay/neuter contract. Sometimes the adopter leaves a refundable deposit, sometimes no deposit is required.

Some independent rescuers can't afford the filing and attorney's fees to organize themselves as a "501(c)" (an American tax-exempt, nonprofit corporation or association). Please see: 501(c) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for general information.

So, some rescue groups/animal shelters incorporate their operations as for-profit businesses and "sell" their animals for as much as they can get (and collect tax on those sales). Any "profits" earned on one sale are used to offset "losses" arising from the care of sicker animals. I knew a lady who bought horses at slaughter auctions, rehabbed them, sold them to responsible people, and used any "profits" to buy more horses away from the meat packers. I have no complaints about her methods.

What does any of this have to do with the woman advertising "rare" and desirable blue & fawn Dobes? My suggestion is to contact the DPCA-affiliated Dobe rescue closest to the advertiser and ask them to find out what's going on with these Dobes. Maybe the advertiser simply doesn't know about all the issues surrounding the dilutes. Perhaps she just needs to be informed that if she does not ensure these Dobes are altered prior to placement, she is actually putting them in jeopardy by advertising them as "rare" and desirable in that they are likely to end up w/BYBs or puppymillers who will never comply with spay-neuter agreements and will disappear after the "adoptions".

Just a few random thoughts I hope you find useful and thanks for reading them.
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$300 seems terribly steep for unaltered puppies, here in Austin you can have a dog altered for $45-55 at the low-cost clinic or even for FREE if you are willing to get up at 4am and queue up outside the free mobile clinic.

And regardless of whether or not you are a 501(c) - I think it's fine to function as a rescue outside that classification - it's just unethical to adopt unaltered dogs without at least requiring a spay/neuter contract with a deposit.

I wonder what this person's excuse is for "adopting" unaltered puppies.. :rolleyes:


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$300 seems terribly steep for unaltered puppies...
If a rescue/shelter can get people to pay $300 for an animal and then have the adopter pay for the altering, I think that's a good thing. More money is always good in rescue.
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...it's just unethical to adopt unaltered dogs without at least requiring a spay/neuter contract with a deposit.
I agree. ETA: Let me be emphatic about this: adopting out unaltered dogs, cats, bunnies, ferrets, etc. without requiring a spay/neuter contract which includes either prepaying the surgery or a leaving a hefty deposit is a crazy bad idea.
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I wonder what this person's excuse is for "adopting" unaltered puppies...
Excerpted from: AFSPCA:
"WE ARE IN NEED OF DONATIONS SO WE CAN GET OUR SPAY AND NEUTER PROGRAM STARTED OUT HERE IN RANDOLPH COUNTY SO PLEASE HELP BY SENDING DONATIONS TO..."
"Adopters will have an application to fill out. And once you are choosen to be the new parent of your new pet, you will have an adoption aggreement contract to fill out and sign. We will also do home checks for are adopted pets and foster pets. We educate people how important it is to spay/neuter their pets."

And, FWIW: Winchester News-Gazette: Serving Winchester, Indiana > News > AFSPCA rescues the forlorn

Before I get flamed, I need to ask, has anyone contacted the closest Doberman rescue to ask them to look into the situation with the fawn and blue Dobes? Has anyone contacted Ms. Moland to educate her about dilute Dobes? I'm in Texas. Is there anyone in or close to Indiana who's willing to make inquiries?

From the DPCA/Rescue page:
Southwest Ohio Doberman Rescue
Southwest Doberman Rescue Home
[email protected]
513-553-3115

Hand Me Down Dobes
Hand Me Down Dobes, Inc.
[email protected]
419-632-1099

>>I'm not necessarily defending how this person runs their "rescue".<< I'm essentially playing devil's advocate to show that there are ethical and responsible rescuers who do things a little differently for various reasons. I also want to avoid us working ourselves up into needless outrage when just by contacting Ms. Moland, or the Ohio Dobe rescues, and asking a few questions we could protect these Dobes from possible exploitation and gain an ally and an advocate for Dobes-in-need. Just my humble opinion and thanks for reading it.

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