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Why would a rescue lie about...

A dogs intake history? I had to give up ivy our 6 month old doberman due to issues with my moms small dog and our cat.
The rescue has a little bio next to her pic which is not correct at all. They state she was posted on Craigslist yet that was NOT ever the case.
Now this makes me wonder if any dog bio is true or if they just make up stories.
So why would they lie in a bio when they have the real story?
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I suppose the history with small dogs and cats would reduce its chances of finding a home...hopefully on the the back end the group is doing the proper screening and placement. I would be more concerned that 6 months and no home yet for ivy girl!
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I transported Ivy to DRU from her owner, who surrendered her directly to DRU. To my knowledge, Ivy was never on Craigslist or otherwise offered for sale to anyone by her owner.

I think the volunteer just made a mistake on the write up, not listing Ivy as an owner surrender. Other than that, her writeup seems consistent with her history. This rescue has 50 dobermans in their care, so I can easily see that detail being missed.

My suggestion is that you contact the rescue and get it corrected if it really bothers you.

I have been keeping up with them on Ivy's care. She has been doing very well and I saw a video of her happily playing. They have a chihuahua and several cats at DRU that they use to train dobermans with Ivy's history. After a month of training on her issues they now think she is adoptable. This is good news for Ivy and once again I thank you for doing the right thing for her. I know it was very painful to give her up.

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It's not so much that it bothers me but made me wonder how honest rescues are about a dogs history.. It just made me wonder as I knew someone yrs ago who had to surrender her dogs due to a terminal cancer and when I saw the dogs bios it had stated the dogs were rescued due to the incarceration of the owner... That was crazy... She definitely was not incarcerated unless a hospital is a prison .


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Don't get me wrong I am soooo grateful that they took in ivy, have cared for her and are taking the time and love to find her a suitable home. She is such an amazing girl and with the rescues help she is getting training and they now decided she is ready for a home. I'm positive she will be adopted quickly to a home where she will thrive.
Thanks again to dobemom ... i am grateful for all your support and helping with transport from my home to the rescue.


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Why wouldn't you just train the animal and socialize it rather than just give it up? It's a 6 month old dog...a baby, easily trainable.
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DRU is a wonderful rescue with wonderful, loving volunteers. Except for the misinformation about Craig's list, the bio was accurate. They aren't wrong about the lack of training. If I had a small dog and a cat, I would expect my puppy to chase and for me to have to train very seriously to eliminate that behavior. Those really aren't "issues." You have to understand how intolerant rescuers can become because of all of the dogs they become responsible for when the owners fail to anticipate potential problems and fail to train. I'm sure it was painful for you to give her up but you did the right thing by her. DRU will find her a great forever home.
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From the point of view of a rescuer...I don't know. I would imagine it was just a mistake. I know DRU is fantastic, and as a smaller rescue with no facility, I envy what they can do and the number of dogs they can do it for!

I've seen rescues lie about a dogs story to try and garner sympathy before, claiming abuse, or horrible illness, or playing up a light illness as something much worse. I've also seen them do it for donations. But I highly doubt that would be the reason here as that would have no effect on either of those things. I'm also not suggesting DRU has ever done any of these things by any means. The rescues I'm talking about are far from reputable.

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Hi, just an update. I just found out that little Ivy has been adopted.

This is a great outcome for one special girl and I would like to once again to thank her first owner for doing right for her and putting her welfare ahead of everything.


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Hi, just an update. I just found out that little Ivy has been adopted.

This is a great outcome for one special girl and I would like to once again to thank her first owner for doing right for her and putting her welfare ahead of everything.


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Why wouldn't you just train the animal and socialize it rather than just give it up? It's a 6 month old dog...a baby, easily trainable.
This is exactly the kind of response that demonizes those who responsibly surrender to rescue and make them reluctant to reach out for help and instead may result in a dog being dumped at a kill shelter. Sometimes the responsible decision for a dog is to surrender to a responsible, ethical rescue, for whatever reason. I commend owners who reach out for help to those rescues.


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This is exactly the kind of response that demonizes those who responsibly surrender to rescue and make them reluctant to reach out for help and instead may result in a dog being dumped at a kill shelter. Sometimes the responsible decision for a dog is to surrender to a responsible, ethical rescue, for whatever reason. I commend owners who reach out for help to those rescues.
Thank you. This is wonderfully said. Ivyknuckles, at the end of the day, you put the *dog* first, and that is all that matters.
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I am so happy for ivy ! Though she is very missed , it makes me happy to know she will be in a suitable home.
This was the hardest decision I've ever made but it was the right one for Ivy.




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Dog owners want someone to blame when they aren't successful. Pet dumping shouldn't be a consideration unless you have extreme circumstances-like an owner who knows they are dying. Otherwise you are the people who make euthanasia for space necessary in the US.

Never encountered a rescue group that knowingly lied about anything. They can only pass on the info they receive-which may be a bunch of B$ or false info from owners who refused to seek appropriate expert help or refused to make the changes needed for the pet to have a happy, well behaved life in their care. Some are clueless and completely mistake things like a hunting pose as calm and submissive...but have owned and done "great" with pets their whole lives Some tease a young dog or cat then call them aggressive or out of control adult animals who attack things like the vacuum...that the owner thought was hysterical to tease the young animal with. Many refuse to give proper exercise and training. The animal should somehow be more intelligent than the human owner and understand what isn't explained to them in their language.

A lot also comes down to completely unrealistic expectations when people buy the baby or adopt the adult animal. There is no easy way, although adopting an adult usually gives you a big amount of time saved in training. Exercise is exercise. Exercise doesn't equal having a yard or walking through petco. Training is for everyone and never ending. You have to set clear rules for everyone and be consistent no matter what the age or origin of the animal. Do that and they will all respond.

One of the worst things to encounter when working with animal adoptions are those with unrealistic expectations who keep dumping animals until they find the one who least annoys them...then proclaim they finally found a "non-defective" one.

It is the owner, not the dumb animal who makes the situation good or bad.
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Dog owners want someone to blame when they aren't successful. Pet dumping shouldn't be a consideration unless you have extreme circumstances-like an owner who knows they are dying. Otherwise you are the people who make euthanasia for space necessary in the US.

Never encountered a rescue group that knowingly lied about anything. They can only pass on the info they receive-which may be a bunch of B$ or false info from owners who refused to seek appropriate expert help or refused to make the changes needed for the pet to have a happy, well behaved life in their care. Some are clueless and completely mistake things like a hunting pose as calm and submissive...but have owned and done "great" with pets their whole lives Some tease a young dog or cat then call them aggressive or out of control adult animals who attack things like the vacuum...that the owner thought was hysterical to tease the young animal with. Many refuse to give proper exercise and training. The animal should somehow be more intelligent than the human owner and understand what isn't explained to them in their language.

A lot also comes down to completely unrealistic expectations when people buy the baby or adopt the adult animal. There is no easy way, although adopting an adult usually gives you a big amount of time saved in training. Exercise is exercise. Exercise doesn't equal having a yard or walking through petco. Training is for everyone and never ending. You have to set clear rules for everyone and be consistent no matter what the age or origin of the animal. Do that and they will all respond.

One of the worst things to encounter when working with animal adoptions are those with unrealistic expectations who keep dumping animals until they find the one who least annoys them...then proclaim they finally found a "non-defective" one.

It is the owner, not the dumb animal who makes the situation good or bad.
Not only are you just wrong, but you're being a jerk.

Sometimes a dog just isn't a good fit for a household, no matter how much training is put in. Sometimes it's in the dog's best interest to be rehomed, because THEY will be much happier in a different home. Sometimes owners are putting the dog first.

People like you who think every dog is a good fit for every household really don't get it. And people who surrender dogs to reputable rescues aren't the problem. The people filling up shelters are the ones letting their animals breed like crazy, not people like the OP.


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Dog owners want someone to blame when they aren't successful. Pet dumping shouldn't be a consideration unless you have extreme circumstances-like an owner who knows they are dying. Otherwise you are the people who make euthanasia for space necessary "Snip" Many refuse to give proper exercise and training.



Reaching out to a responsible rescue when you realize you are not the best home for an animal is NOT dumping! It is putting the animal first! She is obviously invested is Ivy's future and cares deeply about what happens to this dog. And that is why she made the difficult decision that the best place was not in her home.

Regarding "proper" exercise and training, I am sure we can all agree that the definition of proper depends to a very large extent on the dog. My elderly doberman Toby, even when he was younger, did just fine with minimal obedience work and 3 walks a day. Aesop requires much more exercise, mental stimulation and the help of a veterinary behaviorist. Not every owner is equipped to provide that. And that is ok.

In my opinion, if you find yourself with an dog you can't provide for, reaching out is the best things you can do. I also say this as someone who is actively involved in doberman rescue. It's how I got Aesop, and I am so thankful to have him.



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I am so happy for ivy ! Though she is very missed , it makes me happy to know she will be in a suitable home.
This was the hardest decision I've ever made but it was the right one for Ivy.




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There are so many reasons one may take a dog to a rescue organization--you lose your job, your place to live, you're very ill--you just plain realize you can't give him the care he needs--exercise, food, training, medical care. All stem from the same feeling--wanting your dog to have a home better than you can provide.

That realization and the wiliness to carry out the action is both responsible and loving.

Sure, there are people who lie--they desperately want their dog to be accepted by the rescue; they don't want to put him to sleep; they truly feel that there is another home out there that is more appropriate for the dog than theirs is--they may lie for many reasons.

Rescues naturally want their dogs to find that forever home and may be tempted to omit bad things and fluff up the dog's resume--but a reputable rescue will evaluate both the dog and the prospective new home to make sure the dog will find a forever place to fit into and live the rest of his life happily.

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There are so many reasons one may take a dog to a rescue organization--you lose your job, your place to live, you're very ill--you just plain realize you can't give him the care he needs--exercise, food, training, medical care. All stem from the same feeling--wanting your dog to have a home better than you can provide.
Or you adopt a year old Rottie from an animal shelter, and discover that the dog needs a job, is way too high drive and high energy to survive as a pet in a small townhouse, is dog aggressive, and you are completely incapable of providing what that dog needs. And yes, the shelter allowed them to take her home.

That's what happened to some former housemates of mine. They had to face the facts and realize thier dog was the worst possible fit for them. They rehomed her to a working cattle ranch in the next county over, where she inherited a job guarding and driving cattle.

So where would the dog have been happier? Living in a townhouse where her exercise, training, and mental stimulation needs were not met? Or working a 500 acre cattle ranch with a job and spending all day out with her owner?

It is just plain irresponsible to fail to put the dog first. Should my former housemates have never adopted the Rottie in the first place? Absolutely. But they did, and when they realized it wasn't working, they grew the eff up and did right by the dog, by placing her in an appropriate home.

Ivyknuckles, you did do right by your dog. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
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Dog owners want someone to blame when they aren't successful. Pet dumping shouldn't be a consideration unless you have extreme circumstances-like an owner who knows they are dying. Otherwise you are the people who make euthanasia for space necessary in the US.

Never encountered a rescue group that knowingly lied about anything. They can only pass on the info they receive-which may be a bunch of B$ or false info from owners who refused to seek appropriate expert help or refused to make the changes needed for the pet to have a happy, well behaved life in their care. Some are clueless and completely mistake things like a hunting pose as calm and submissive...but have owned and done "great" with pets their whole lives Some tease a young dog or cat then call them aggressive or out of control adult animals who attack things like the vacuum...that the owner thought was hysterical to tease the young animal with. Many refuse to give proper exercise and training. The animal should somehow be more intelligent than the human owner and understand what isn't explained to them in their language.

A lot also comes down to completely unrealistic expectations when people buy the baby or adopt the adult animal. There is no easy way, although adopting an adult usually gives you a big amount of time saved in training. Exercise is exercise. Exercise doesn't equal having a yard or walking through petco. Training is for everyone and never ending. You have to set clear rules for everyone and be consistent no matter what the age or origin of the animal. Do that and they will all respond.

One of the worst things to encounter when working with animal adoptions are those with unrealistic expectations who keep dumping animals until they find the one who least annoys them...then proclaim they finally found a "non-defective" one.

It is the owner, not the dumb animal who makes the situation good or bad.
1. AKHiker, once and for all, what are your credentials? What letters do you have after your name? What certifications do you hold?

You spend so much time here proclaiming expert status--yet spout so many stereotypes, blanket statements, inaccuracies, ill advised scenarios, and just plain...crap, the onus is on you, at this point, to answer this. Got crickets in response, last time I asked. Are you afraid to answer?

2. What is the name of it? You know, the planet you live on.

Because there are good, bad, and indifferent rescues, just as there are breeders, and you can bet your sweet bippy some of those rescues--even some of the "mid-level" ones who have good intentions, aren't always fully honest about the dogs they adopt out--nor are they always expert enough or the situation ideal enough for them to give the dog a proper eval prior to adoption.

3. You're wrong. You're so wrong that it would be laughable, if this wasn't about living beings, and could possibly negatively impact their lives.

4. You're narcissistic and narrow. Life isn't that black-n-white, and just because you--even in the face of science contrary to your beliefs--think something is gospel, does not mean it is.




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Forgot to add this--good blog post, makes some good points about respecting what is truly best for each individual dog.

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Dog owners want someone to blame when they aren't successful. Pet dumping shouldn't be a consideration unless you have extreme circumstances-like an owner who knows they are dying. Otherwise you are the people who make euthanasia for space necessary in the US.

Never encountered a rescue group that knowingly lied about anything. They can only pass on the info they receive-which may be a bunch of B$ or false info from owners who refused to seek appropriate expert help or refused to make the changes needed for the pet to have a happy, well behaved life in their care. Some are clueless and completely mistake things like a hunting pose as calm and submissive...but have owned and done "great" with pets their whole lives Some tease a young dog or cat then call them aggressive or out of control adult animals who attack things like the vacuum...that the owner thought was hysterical to tease the young animal with. Many refuse to give proper exercise and training. The animal should somehow be more intelligent than the human owner and understand what isn't explained to them in their language.

A lot also comes down to completely unrealistic expectations when people buy the baby or adopt the adult animal. There is no easy way, although adopting an adult usually gives you a big amount of time saved in training. Exercise is exercise. Exercise doesn't equal having a yard or walking through petco. Training is for everyone and never ending. You have to set clear rules for everyone and be consistent no matter what the age or origin of the animal. Do that and they will all respond.

One of the worst things to encounter when working with animal adoptions are those with unrealistic expectations who keep dumping animals until they find the one who least annoys them...then proclaim they finally found a "non-defective" one.

It is the owner, not the dumb animal who makes the situation good or bad.
There are 'rescue' groups who lie, absolutely. Which is why researching your rescue can be as important as researching a breeder.

I find it hard to believe you actually work in rescue the way you speak, by the way. If your ideas were true then once an adopter is approved we might as well let them take whatever the hell dog they want without any consideration to fit.

But yet again you have successfully derailed a thread and made it all about you and your perfection. Congratulations.

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