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As I have been asking around regarding aquiring a new pup, the issue of problems with two males in one house has been raised a few times. (my wife will be getting a male rott. The two would not be more than one or two months apart in age.) What have your experiences been on this issue? As they would be companion pets only, they would both be fixed. Would this help to adequately curb the agression? I would strongly prefer a male myself, however my wife will not budge on the gender of her rott either, so I am beginning to consider a female if it will prevent problems further down the line.
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I'm interested in hearing the answer to this one too, since I prefer males, so I'd like to get another male (probably GSP) when the time comes. I've heard the same thing about issues with 2 males in the same house.

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Here are some threads that might be of interest

Doberman Pinschers of Kinetic and Weimaraners of Unity - Quality Breeders in Florida
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...questions.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/general-...es-neuter.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...-together.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-co...ale-puppy.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...t-give-up.html

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Q & A Archives - DPCA Breeders Education
Mid way down the page is one of the answers, this question is asked there a lot
Q & A Archives 2003 Page 1 - DPCA Breeders Education

Being fixed and raised together as puppies doesn't matter. It wouldn't be uncommon at maturity for two large working breed male puppies to both want to be alpha. Since you are getting puppies, you won't know how they will be until they grow up. By that time you are attached to them both.


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D&D gave some excellent sites for you to read. They will give you insight. Almost everything that I have heard or read (and there has been many discussions on DT), says you should not have 2 males in one household. I am sure that there are some 2 male household families and I hope they post here. You should try to research the archives to see some old threads on the subject. Good luck.

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the short answer is - get a female dobe. even neutering your dogs and raising them both as youngsters together will not prevent problems - the safest bet is to get a female dobe if your wife is dead set on a male rottie!


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Beyond the gender aggression issues (and I agree that a male rottie and a male doberman living together is a recipe for disaster), it's also not a good idea to try to raise two puppies together. They tend to bond with one another more than with people.



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Beyond the gender aggression issues (and I agree that a male rottie and a male doberman living together is a recipe for disaster), it's also not a good idea to try to raise two puppies together. They tend to bond with one another more than with people.
I also agree with this statement 100%.
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Same sex is an issue in Rotties, and male to male is an issue in all breeds.. And I agree with the statement about two pups. Try to separate sex and age. Is it possible to consider rescue? If you are not showing?
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Same sex is an issue in Rotties, and male to male is an issue in all breeds.. And I agree with the statement about two pups. Try to separate sex and age. Is it possible to consider rescue? If you are not showing?


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I didn't want to create a new thread, so I'll just post here. I did a search but didn't find anything regarding female v. female aggression.

Is it as common as male on male aggression? I understand they're animals and you can't really predict their individual reaction to each other during certain situations, but is there a significant difference between the two, male v. male, female v. female?
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As I have been asking around regarding aquiring a new pup, the issue of problems with two males in one house has been raised a few times. (my wife will be getting a male rott. The two would not be more than one or two months apart in age.) What have your experiences been on this issue? As they would be companion pets only, they would both be fixed. Would this help to adequately curb the agression? I would strongly prefer a male myself, however my wife will not budge on the gender of her rott either, so I am beginning to consider a female if it will prevent problems further down the line.
I have two males in the same household, they are not seperated when I leave for work, they eat in the same room, are allowed to lick the same bowl at the same time, they sleep together, play together, run the back yard together.

NOW would I suggest that you have two males together in a household NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My boys are very unusal to say the least. I did not introduce another male in the house until Thor was 5 years old and I knew exactly what type of temperment that I had, the puppy I had picked (J.R.) had a very laid back personality and it has worked. Thor is now 11 and J.R will be 6 years old and continue to do well together. Thor is not as tolerant as he once was, Thor has cancer and does not want to play and J.R. does not always understand.

Would I do it again, NO!!!! I know the personality of J.R. and he is still laid back but if another dog was to challenge him, he will rise to the challenge (has gotten into with the other male that I co-own with my mom, Gunner) and it is not pretty. I too perfer the males, I have always had males, I know that my next dog will be a female, and I will love her just the same.

Here is the ultimate question, are you prepared to keep them seperated the rest of their lives? Knowing that if you had to take the step to seperate them there has already been an altercation, sometimes it only takes one time and the minute they get together they are going to go for it. Just in case you have have never had to keep two dogs seperate it is not an easy task!

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Are you prepared to have to place a dog that you have grown attached too because the two males could not get along, think of the dog who does not understand why he was abandoned, he will not understand it was the human that made the mistake. It would rip my heart out, I consider my dogs part of my family, I could never place a dog once they are with me.

PLEASE, PLEASE reconsider a two male household.

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This thread is almost a year old.


Oops, did not notice this (looks like a couple of years)

Sorry,

Though it is not a bad thing for these old posts to come out because there is always someone that might be thinking about this, we have new people joining all the time, new dobe owners that find out that they are like potato chips (you can't have just one) and are thinking of adding a new pupper to the family.

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I didn't want to create a new thread, so I'll just post here. I did a search but didn't find anything regarding female v. female aggression.

Is it as common as male on male aggression? I understand they're animals and you can't really predict their individual reaction to each other during certain situations, but is there a significant difference between the two, male v. male, female v. female?

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There have been a few threads here:
https://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-co...n-females.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...ns-please.html
This thread is from when Velmadobe's girls had a go at each other- https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...ont-fight.html

From personal experience, I have had two females that would fight. We had Poppy first and she was very dominant towards other dogs, not aggressive but pushy and didn't back down... then we got Cricket when Poppy was 4 and Cricket was 5, Cricket was very laid back, didn't seem to care about who was in charge and just went along with everything and they got on great. We then got Libby (so 3rd bitch in the house) as an 8 week old puppy but this didn't seem to change the group dynamics, as Libby is very submissive and just wants to be friends with everyone. Then one day out of the blue, Poppy and Cricket had a MASSIVE fight, knocked over chairs, blood all over the walls (Poppy being a lot smaller got quite cut up on her legs, face, ears, and body) and things were never quite the same, sometimes they would fight when they were being let inside at night, sometimes getting on/off the dog couch, sometimes just when walking around. It was like Cricket suddenly decided she wanted to boss Poppy around, but Poppy was not going to take it and the minute Cricket tried to be pushy it would be war. We had to be quite careful about how the dogs were bought in/out, when they were going in the car, couches, food, toys, attention... everything changed. Also, it turns out Poppy was quite ill (aggressive cancer), so maybe this was a factor in why Cricket suddenly decided to take over?


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Does anyone possibly see an issue if the other male was a 3yr. old Yorkie?

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