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Logan yesterday did something that i have not seen him do in the entire time I have had him and it scared me. We went for our normal walk new harness and all...he was doing really well,...not pulling like normal, as a matter of fact i was impressed and thought our constant walks and training was starting to really pay off. I have upped his walks to 2 a day every day when i used to take him about 4 times a week but once a day. Now we do a short walks in the AM and long when i get home....trying to be consistant with where we go and he is making great improvements with his heal command and pulling. Occasionally he will practically pull my arm out of the socket but its usually when he sees a cat. I try to give him the leave it command but he is oblivious to anything i say once he sees a cat.

He will walk though directly in front of me swinging his head wildly from side to side scanning every square inch of the block. i reposition him frequently to by my side, but he still manages to walk in front of me...but wont pull. (again only pulls when he sees something like a bird or cat) He definately seems on high alert, the way he constantly scans the roads, properties etc.

Yesterday there was a guy taking out the garbage. He said hi and raised his hand to wave and Logan dove at him barking wildly. Not snapping but barking so ferociously that the guy ran away .
I was caught off guard as it was unexpected so i grabbed the harness handle and had to straddle him since he is so powerful now, my hand was wrapped around the leash and he nearly broke my hand. I apologized and he calmed down eventually and we continued

my only guess is the raised hand or something of that nature either freaked him out, or he was trying to protect me.

I am researching trainers as he needs brushing up. There are a lot of things we need to work on. his focus gets thrown very easily. especially when there is a distraction. Some things have improved with me working with him every night. But i cant have him being crazy on the leash in the neighborhood for fear that a neighbor might call animal control. My neighbors already are under the impression he is an attack dog all because he barks the minute someone walks past our house and will not stop until they are off the property and get past the house. Its really crazy too that he can hear someone walking...no windows open etc. He must have some of the best hearing i have ever seen in any one of my dogs. He sleeps in our bedroom and if he so much as hears a leaf hit the ground, he is up and investigating.

Anyone experience anything of this nature. I really hope he isnt starting to get aggresive. We do nothing but baby him and cant see where aggressiveness would come from which is why i am sure its more protectiveness.
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I gave you some suggestions for trainers on your other thread.
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First thing I'd suggest and we cover it in all our basic obedience classes, is do NOT wrap the leash around your hand or arm. You can easily get a broken bone that way. Are you using a harness that hooks on his back or at his chest? If it's his back, I'd switch to a no pull or different collar for more control now.

Secondly, sometimes dogs have bad days, get startled, etc. and it's no big deal. I might sign up for a good obedience class and see if the trainer can get a read on what he might be doing.

I'm not saying he IS aggressive but just as an FYI some dogs are born that way not made that way.

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I haven't seen the other thread - but if you are babying him too much, maybe he's feeling a need to protect you? Babying dogs isn't a great idea.
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Unfortunately i have never been to training classes with him. So its probably more me then it is him. I didnt know about the wrapping of the leash. its always been how ive walked my dogs to have a good grip on the leash handle. However i have never owned a dog as big nor as strong as him. So i have learned my lesson. LOL

I usually spend about half an hour a night going over his commands etc and things such as before we go in the house after a walk have him sit so he doesnt go in all crazy, it tends to calm him down. He is really attached to my husband and gets nuts when he comes home. Im working on trying to get him a little less nuts. LOL if thats possible. I spend a lot of time petting him, brushing him, etc. he sits in my lap like a baby. i pet his face and he even falls asleep. Lately though he seems to really be up my butt. More then the usual. And i dont know if its more that he is getting more used to me now... or really if he is just being him. But he tends to try and keep me away from people at the dog park and sometimes will even get between me and my husband and push him away from me. Even this morning....husband gives me a kiss...Logan is right there planting a wet one on my face right after my husband. I dont know its definately not like him.

I am the one who feeds him 99% of the time and rewards him. And i am the one walking him more now and spending the time petting him and praising him. My husband is the one crawling on the floor wrestling him and playing with him etc. He is not this way with him during walks either.
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I would suggest Ann Paul in Syosset. Riverstone Dog Training | Riverstone Dog Training

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I usually spend about half an hour a night going over his commands etc and things such as before we go in the house after a walk have him sit so he doesnt go in all crazy, it tends to calm him down. He is really attached to my husband and gets nuts when he comes home. Im working on trying to get him a little less nuts. LOL if thats possible. I spend a lot of time petting him, brushing him, etc. he sits in my lap like a baby. i pet his face and he even falls asleep. Lately though he seems to really be up my butt. More then the usual. And i dont know if its more that he is getting more used to me now... or really if he is just being him. But he tends to try and keep me away from people at the dog park and sometimes will even get between me and my husband and push him away from me. Even this morning....husband gives me a kiss...Logan is right there planting a wet one on my face right after my husband. I dont know its definately not like him.

I am the one who feeds him 99% of the time and rewards him. And i am the one walking him more now and spending the time petting him and praising him. My husband is the one crawling on the floor wrestling him and playing with him etc. He is not this way with him during walks either.
First, I would exercise him BEFORE his walk... if you have a yard, play!... do obedience first, not after.

Petting, brushing, praising, having him in your lap maybe needs to be minimized right now. I think he needs to see you as a stronger and more competant person... it almost sounds like he could see this as you fawning over him, and that is a weak thing to do, from a dog perspective (actually, from ANY perspective LOL!). The word "leadership" is often overused, but this is what your dog needs.

I am not there, I don't know you or your dog, I can't see from here... but, what I am reading gives me the impression that your dog is coming to see you as his thing to protect. This never ends well. You really need a good trainer, and you need one right now. You need to re-define your relationship with your dog, and I think that that will require someone helping you to become somewhat of a different owner.
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Secondly, sometimes dogs have bad days, get startled, etc. and it's no big deal.
This dog's style is to move through the environment on high alert, scanning for danger or whatever. Some guy siimply raises his hand, and the dog fires. This is NOT just a bad day. If it's not a big deal today, the day is coming soon when it will be.
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I've gotta' agree with mmctaq on his take. For the average Dobe I'd agree with Adara--any dog can have a bad day but a dog who is already always on high alert and it sounds like this dog is, the raising of a hand at a distance made him fire is too much for my taste and I generally like hard dogs. I've had several of them over the last 50 years.

I'd be looking for a good behaviorist/trainer and someone who understands keeping a dog this wired below threshhold.

The cat stuff worries me too--my dogs who live with cats will chase a stray who wanders into the completely fenced yard but they aren't very serious about it. And they aren't looking in bushes and on porches for cats.

I'd really be spending a lot of time mellowing this dog out. And absolutely--exercise the dog in the yard and do your obedience training BEFORE you go walking. Do some more obedience training after you come back if that cools his jets some.
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I think using "Look at that" might help with the cats and the barking at people. The only issue is that you have to be more vigilant than him, to work with him BEFORE he gets super focused and/or BEFORE he starts barking his head off. Holding him back from a neighbor like that, while necessary, as you really don't want your barking and lunging dog to reach his target, can only serve to amp up his excitement to get at his target.

What kind of collar and harness are you currently using for him? What kind of training have you used?

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This dog's style is to move through the environment on high alert, scanning for danger or whatever. Some guy siimply raises his hand, and the dog fires. This is NOT just a bad day. If it's not a big deal today, the day is coming soon when it will be.
Hey you forgot the rest of the quote

I might sign up for a good obedience class and see if the trainer can get a read on what he might be doing.

To reiterate to that my advice is clear - SEE A TRAINER

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Right now i am using a Dean and Tyler Harness. He was pulling so much with the choker and i was just feeling that he was going to strangle himself so i got him a harness as i was trying different things, spending a lot...LOT of money...and found nothing was working. Tried a front walker but it was cutting him. this is the first harness that doesnt cut under his arms or choke him.

He has taken classes before at a doggy academy in NJ but it was with his previous owner. His previous owner also used a Dogtra which i am trying not to use on him.
We adopted him 4 months ago. We have been keeping up with his normal commands to keep him brushed up as well as teaching him new things and he seems to be really smart so i know a series of classes would help.

I looked up the suggested trainer on here last night and have plans to enroll him in April when my work schedule will ease up a little on me so i am under a lot less stress. winter tends to be much crazier then summer time for me. I am also deciding on group vs individual. I know he would benefit from one or the other but i also know i would like for his focus to stay on me and so im thinking individual classes here and there and some group might be best? i Dont know...what are your suggestions.
So next month (3 weeks) we will be starting and my hope is it will help. I will keep trying with him as i know he has it in him..

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Ugh...Contacted Riverstone but anne said that she would not be the type of trainer she feels Logan would need and instead needs a life/obendience trainer rather then competetive trainer. I really dont plan on competing in obendience unless we get to that point with him where he is spot on. But im waiting on her to give me some recomendations and see where we stand.
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Try calling this trainer suggested by blackdoberboy in your other thread.

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I sent them a message as well. Right now at work i cant call but will try. I have tried another happydogbehavior.com which was suggested by Lise Pratt at SNAP who also couldnt take logan.
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