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I actually love bitches that are a bit "doggy" - so I think her head is lovely.
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Out of curiosity, please don't mind the background, but what do you think of my little doofus' head?

I feel that even though I am biased toward my own puppy, some of the other examples are beautiful!


^^ recent- just turned 6 months


^^ just shy or over 4 months old

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I had fun looking back through that pedigree

I actually really like these dog's look. Although people say the breed has improved so much and these dogs have so many faults etc etc, I love the older doberman.




Such powerful intense looking dogs.
I quite like this look I feel he resembles this head!
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Out of curiosity, please don't mind the background, but what do you think of my little doofus' head?

I feel that even though I am biased toward my own puppy, some of the other examples are beautiful!


^^ recent- just turned 6 months


^^ just shy or over 4 months old
Your puppy does not have a very nice head now, but HE IS A PUPPY. Don't look at his head until he is around 18 months. It won't be done until he is at least that age.

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and of course no thread on dobermann head is complete without a mention of "the president" himself....Fedor del Nasi
It is commonly accepted that Fedor had one of the best male heads of recent history..





Greetings from the old SONGBIRD camp. Well, actually years prior to the days of this European sensation Fedor - who became Doberdom's top stud dog - I discovered an American-bred Dobe named Champion Telmark's Cause For Alarm (nicknamed "Cody"). This was a male whose head was a uniquely excellent return to the breed's Rottweiler and terrier roots as it was correctly blunt at the muzzle, rather than sharp, greyhound and lacking underjaw. It was powerful and wedge-shaped. Yeah, it had that nice dip at the underjaw for which many rememer Rancho Dobe's storm, but it was a strong improvement in working quality. I had the vision of utilizing Cody to the point of his becoming an ingredient dog of great impact. But, unfortunately, my vision did not bring about that fruitage before his death. When I saw Fedor born and sensationalized across the world, I felt that he did come very close to my ideal concept for the Dobe head of the future. But I think Cody's head, though about as powerful, had a tigerlike spice that was slightly prettier.
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Greetings from the old SONGBIRD camp. Well, actually years prior to the days of this European sensation Fedor - who became Doberdom's top stud dog - I discovered an American-bred Dobe named Champion Telmark's Cause For Alarm (nicknamed "Cody"). This was a male whose head was a uniquely excellent return to the breed's Rottweiler and terrier roots as it was correctly blunt at the muzzle, rather than sharp, greyhound and lacking underjaw. It was powerful and wedge-shaped. Yeah, it had that nice dip at the underjaw for which many rememer Rancho Dobe's storm, but it was a strong improvement in working quality. I had the vision of utilizing Cody to the point of his becoming an ingredient dog of great impact. But, unfortunately, my vision did not bring about that fruitage before his death. When I saw Fedor born and sensationalized across the world, I felt that he did come very close to my ideal concept for the Dobe head of the future. But I think Cody's head, though about as powerful, had a tigerlike spice that was slightly prettier.
To be a legend (as Fedor was) requires more than being the most ideal or beautiful...a dog has to have the ability to pass on his good qualities to his offspring (consistently)....
Fedor was an excellent producer..

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Oh, heck, I'll play. Off the top of my head, (no pun intended), I always liked Agador's head.

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and his beautiful son Dancing stars Rio
And his beautiful big fat daughter's.....my dear sweet Syd.
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Greetings from the old SONGBIRD camp. Well, actually years prior to the days of this European sensation Fedor - who became Doberdom's top stud dog - I discovered an American-bred Dobe named Champion Telmark's Cause For Alarm (nicknamed "Cody"). This was a male whose head was a uniquely excellent return to the breed's Rottweiler and terrier roots as it was correctly blunt at the muzzle, rather than sharp, greyhound and lacking underjaw. It was powerful and wedge-shaped. Yeah, it had that nice dip at the underjaw for which many rememer Rancho Dobe's storm, but it was a strong improvement in working quality. I had the vision of utilizing Cody to the point of his becoming an ingredient dog of great impact. But, unfortunately, my vision did not bring about that fruitage before his death. When I saw Fedor born and sensationalized across the world, I felt that he did come very close to my ideal concept for the Dobe head of the future. But I think Cody's head, though about as powerful, had a tigerlike spice that was slightly prettier.

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To ICEMAN: Missed your reply. But I disagree. The Songbird concept is that a dog is either good or it isn't... no matter how many times it happens to be or not to be marketed to the public. For instance, Rancho Dobe's Storm did few dog shows, but was good enough to take Westminster twice. And Storm was not reproduced on a grand scale, but lended the elegance of his lines just once notably to a linebred product of his named Demetrius Von Der Victor. And that was good enough to change the breed! On Cody, I'm not even sure Fedor would have even been born, had I not highlighted him as a prototype star of the Songbird blueprint. It is said that to "teach a man to fish" can prove to be the very thing that leads the man's "eating forever". Should one TAUGHT to fish be touted as being a "legend" above his teacher?.....

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To BenVera: Missed your reply too. Well, I have somewhere (misplaced) some great never-published photography of Cody. If I ever recover it and it remains in good condition, I will share it.
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If you really want to know what the perfect head is, subscribe to Doberman digest or go to their sight. I believe they post old issues you can view for free. Then study head types, compare to the standard, and pick your favorite type! There are a few. And of course I have mine. And it is a matter of taste. I also have head types I really do not like and they are on some championship dogs. A champion is supposed to best represent the standard, so once again, size, bone, cheek, how almond the eye is, and length of muzzle has variation between champions. Again, go with the one you like and look for it. Overall conformation is most important-and yes, I am discerning to head type. But, I will go outside my preference for a great bod.
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I love Jets head. But I don't know enough to say its near the best

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Ethan is STUNNING!

I find it hard to tell what a lot of Euro bred dogs look like when I can't find any photos of them with their mouths shut LOL. The ones Kansa posted with their mouths shut are pretty lovely though!
Euro makes me think of jowls and loose throat skin short necks and big heads. Great toplines and short backs.
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Anyone care to comment on Ripcord's head? I can't.
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If you really want to know what the perfect head is, subscribe to Doberman digest or go to their sight. I believe they post old issues you can view for free. Then study head types, compare to the standard, and pick your favorite type! There are a few. And of course I have mine. And it is a matter of taste. I also have head types I really do not like and they are on some championship dogs. A champion is supposed to best represent the standard, so once again, size, bone, cheek, how almond the eye is, and length of muzzle has variation between champions. Again, go with the one you like and look for it. Overall conformation is most important-and yes, I am discerning to head type. But, I will go outside my preference for a great bod.
That's what's getting us into this head mess though. People always say they're an easy fix, well must not be judging by what's going on.
Dobermans are the ulitimate balancing act breed.

While always looking for the most balanced creature if it doesn't have a head I personally wouldn't want to own it or have a puppy out of a dog whose head I hate. And that's not to say sway back or cow hocks acceptable for a head...

Re: your latter comment I don't care if it's a TT dog if I can't stand its head.

Was in a convo recently fantasizing w/my boy's sisters owner(mouthful) about nice stud dogs, one who while spectacular has an owner that seems to have stumbled onto a nice dog but blissfully unaware of kennel names of note or much else for that matter..... where it dawned on me there is a lot of the equivalent of "jay walking" segments in doberman people.
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So, what do you think of Ripcord's head? Do you like it?
Give me a name of a dog, whose head you like.

I personally don't like the ski slope down between the eyes, but I have one now. However she has the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen on a dobie. They are the perfect almond eyes. I prefer a wedge profile too with very little noticible stop and a long muzzle with more than just nose on the end. What do you like? It seems you already have a strong preference.
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Here's what I don't like and what I would be careful to breed away from: Shorter neck, bozo nose, round eyes, lighter eyes, snippy nose, throaty, too big a head, shorter than 50/50 muzzle to head ratio, droopy lip, too tight a lip, oh and some dobies eyes are just too close together for my liking. And yes, I have seen one or more of any of these traits on champions. I am overly picky about pasterns and feet too, you?
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So, what do you think of Ripcord's head? Do you like it?
Give me a name of a dog, whose head you like.

I personally don't like the ski slope down between the eyes, but I have one now. However she has the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen on a dobie. They are the perfect almond eyes. I prefer a wedge profile too with very little noticible stop and a long muzzle with more than just nose on the end. What do you like? It seems you already have a strong preference.
Rip is a male.

I don't think you'll find a lot of people that feel comfortable dissecting a currently showing dog without the dog's owner posting him for discussion and being part of it. Discussing past dogs is one thing, but it feels a bit disrespectful to discuss a dog behind someone's back, so to speak.

For what it's worth, my bitch has a lovely, correct head. Blunt, dry wedge. It's her best feature.

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Rip is a male.

I don't think you'll find a lot of people that feel comfortable dissecting a currently showing dog without the dog's owner posting him for discussion and being part of it. Discussing past dogs is one thing, but it feels a bit disrespectful to discuss a dog behind someone's back, so to speak.

For what it's worth, my bitch has a lovely, correct head. Blunt, dry wedge. It's her best feature.

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I should have said it was a retorical question. I should have thought someone might answer. Sorry. Won't do it again. By the way, your girl looks like such a lady.
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I should have said it was a retorical question. I should have thought someone might answer. Sorry. Won't do it again. By the way, your girl looks like such a lady.
Not scolding you, just saying that's probably why you aren't getting discussion of that particular dog, that's all.
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