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I don't think I'll be taking Red back to the pet store alone without hubby with me. Red was acting like a complete maniac - he completely disregarded what he knew to be good manners and I was so embarressed! I know he's excited to go to the pet store, and there are lots of fun toys and treats to sniff, not to mention other dogs and dog-lovers, so some excitement is to be expected. But not listening to commands and being a holy terror was NOT expected!

It's my fault for taking him in without a second person with me, but this is what happened. He pulls me into the store, no matter how many corrections he received about pulling on the leash. I suppose I should've just put him back in the car at that point and did my shopping without him, but nevertheless, we get in there and he starts plucking stuffed animals off the shelves and shaking them - which is fine and actually kind of amusing. Then he sees another dog - a small Papillion or something - and after sniffing noses for about 2 seconds, he tries to squash it - like literally, reared up like a horse and came crashing down on it, causing it to yipe and get scared and its owner to run away from us! Then people try to stop to pet him and he jumps up on them! He's never allowed to jump on people, but its like all his training and manners went out the window as soon as he entered the store. No matter what I said or did, he would not listen or sit for petting. At this point, I'm getting really frustrated and to the point that I want to kick him, so I grab what I need and go up to the counter to pay so we can get the hell out. While we're waiting in line and he pees on the floor! OMG I'm about ready to die of shame now. He was actually going so nuts that he slipped out of his collar (flat nylon), but as soon as he realized he didn't have his collar on, he laid down on the floor unmoving until I could get it back on him - so that was the only good thing he did.

Once we got up to the counter to pay, I told the cashier that I'm really sorry, but my dog peed on the floor, and I don't know why he's acting like this and I'm never taking him to the pet store alone again since he's obviously too strong for me to handle when also trying to carry my purse and stuff to buy. She made me feel a lot better by saying that most people say their dogs act the worst when they are in a pet store. Well at least I'm not the only one, but his behavior still wasn't acceptable.

I was so mad at him for the rest of the night. I feel like a training failure. I mean, everyone who comes over or if we take him somewhere with us comments on what a nice, well-mannered puppy he is, and then we go into the pet store and he's a like a completely different dog!

Sorry just had to vent. I wanted to write this last night, but the forum was down. I just wanted to know if anyone else experiences this pet store madness, or if the cashier was just lying to me to make me feel better...?



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I suspect you are far from being alone on that experience! Myself included. lol.


PetSmart is just sensory overload for puppies!
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I think that he was probably just being a puppy! I've seen your lovely video clips of him and he looks like he listens to you very well. I'm envious of your ability to make him wait to eat since if I do that with Lexx he'll sit and wait but he'll trill and whine and look uncomfortable, not sit nicely like Red. I'm sure he was just REALLY excited to be there. Dont say that you're never taking him there again on your own, maybe just try taking him there without your purse etc, not to shop, but to train? Just for a few minutes and maybe go early in the morning or during the day when it might be quieter. And bring a clicker or treats ( or whatever training method you use!) Use it to your advantage, train him out of it. I'm sure he'll do great!
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I think all dogs especially puppies get super excited at the pet store. Isabelle is good, but she is also 7. When she was a puppy she too was a holy terror at petsmart. Too much stuff to see & smell. Lexxsmom had a good idea of going there to train. Even at 7 there is no way I'd take her anywhere on her flat collar. I use a halti for the vets since it is easier to get on & off & she is pretty well behaved at the vets. She also has a pinch.
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Burns your not alone, your dog sounds like mine, Mine has super prey drive and energy like I have her drinking Red Bull all day, I couldn't ask for a more obedient dog, But if she sees a small toy dog, cat, squirell, that's it,..She is off like a thoroughbred at the race horses!
Everything she has learn't is out the window, it's like she is deaf, at that time, (more like Stubbornheaded) anyhow I had the exact same incident today, Just would NOT listen to me.

I called my dog trainer today that specializes in Shutzhund and dog training, he Guranteed he would work it out of her (the prey thing) or I wouldn't pay a dime, he has a very good reputation in my area.

btw , she is 6 now , and we were in a secluded valley the other day and a Pomeranian was walking along proudly all on his own, and mine was off leash, I tell you, I thought that would be the end of that little dog, Lucky enough nothing did happen . , except the poor little fellow is probably still in shock.

Needless to say I know if she would have gotten hold of it, she would have shaken it to death as she had done to a few cats.

she's going into training 22nd of November, I can't wait to see the outcome.
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Thanks for the replies, guys At least I'm not the only one! That makes me feel a lot better already.

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I'm sure he was just REALLY excited to be there. Dont say that you're never taking him there again on your own, maybe just try taking him there without your purse etc, not to shop, but to train? Just for a few minutes and maybe go early in the morning or during the day when it might be quieter. And bring a clicker or treats ( or whatever training method you use!) Use it to your advantage, train him out of it. I'm sure he'll do great!
Lexxsmom, thank you so much for the encouragement and tips!

I know he was just excited to be there and all, and yeah, he's still a puppy - not even 9 months old yet - but I expected more out of him than that! I did do a couple exercises with him with some treats from the treat bin - but as soon as he saw I didn't have any more treats and the session was over, he went straight back to being a monster!

Very good ideas to not take my purse in with me, and just go for the sole purpose of obedience training, not shopping. I know that if he can't even sit nicely for petting in a pet store, he will never pass a CGC test, which is my goal for him. So I guess if I really work with him in pet stores where his senses are overload, he will do better. If yesterday is any testament for how it will go, we have A LOT of training ahead of us...

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I think all dogs especially puppies get super excited at the pet store. Too much stuff to see & smell.

Even at 7 there is no way I'd take her anywhere on her flat collar. I use a halti for the vets since it is easier to get on & off & she is pretty well behaved at the vets. She also has a pinch.
I've always just used his flat collar because up til now, we haven't had much of an issue. I've never used a choke chain on him, and I bought a pinch collar awhile back, and made sure it fit properly, but it did no good whatsoever, so I just went back to using his flat collar. I would rather train with his regular collar and that way he wouldn't get used to minding with a training collar on and then go right back to being a monster when he didn't have it on...



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I am soooo sorry.

I've had it pretty easy with Rudi.

But he has had his moments. More of the pooping kind. The first few times I took him to PetsMart he would taking a huge steaming dump, nothing like seeing a big hunched over doberman in the middle of the leash aisle. I even walked him right before we left home and made sure he would pee and poop. Then make him pee before we got inside the store. He did maintain his other manners, of which I was thankful. I haven't taken him in a while since switching him to innova since we get that at a local specialty store. One thing I do with him when we are in a store is to practice his sit and downs. I think this has helped him to know that nothing is getting by me even in a Smorgasboard like Petsmart. Just think.....birdies, stuffies, chewies, little doggies OH MY!

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Surprisingly Duke, our rescue, has been well behaved in the pet store and the vet's, even in the company of other dogs, cats, and a big parrot! I say surprisingly because he was a holy terror at home when we got him, almost a year old and untrained! So we expected him to be that way in other places, but no.... Oh, he's now doing much better at home, of course due to the training he has been getting...
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The first few times I took him to PetsMart he would taking a huge steaming dump, nothing like seeing a big hunched over doberman in the middle of the leash aisle.
omg! Good thing that habit didn't continue!

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One thing I do with him when we are in a store is to practice his sit and downs. I think this has helped him to know that nothing is getting by me even in a Smorgasboard like Petsmart. Just think.....birdies, stuffies, chewies, little doggies OH MY!
yeah, that's what I did too... 'sit', 'down' and 'focus' and he performed them admirably, but when the treat supply was exhausted, he knew it.

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Good idea. I have a couple purses that I can sling over one shoulder across my body so I don't have to hold onto it with my arm or hands. I'm definitely going to use that next time!



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Have you tried the prong collar? if so do you have it fitted properly?
Sounds like you had a rough time. Perhaps you should be practicing outside stores. Than inside.
You said he slipped out of the collar. If so its too loose.
I don`t allow any visiting with other dogs in stores. You just never know what the outcome can be.
All toys are off limits in store too. Its what I call a good practice in distractions. Same as placticing with kibble all around. (its a leave it command) No smelling, taking or??
Hang in there. Also not a bad idea to take him when he is tired. (after a long walk, class etc.) After class is usually a good time as they are fresh (knowledge) after class.I did a lot of that.
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Have you tried the prong collar? if so do you have it fitted properly?
Yup, I definitely had it fit properly. I'm the kind of person that researches everything to a T before actually doing it. There's a thread I made around here somewhere about the prong collar.

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Yeah that's a good idea. Maybe get him calmed down before actually going into the store.

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You said he slipped out of the collar. If so its too loose.
It's tight when its around the base of his neck like normal, but his neck is a lot thinner up behind his ears, which is where he slid out of it. I tightened it a little bit after that, but I can't make it tight when its up behind his ears like that or it won't fit him properly lower on his neck...

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All toys are off limits in store too. Its what I call a good practice in distractions. Same as placticing with kibble all around. (its a leave it command) No smelling, taking or??
wow that'll be a tough one. We'll have to work on that!

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Also not a bad idea to take him when he is tired. (after a long walk, class etc.) After class is usually a good time as they are fresh (knowledge) after class.I did a lot of that.
yeah I thought of that too, but I had been working all day prior to going to the store and figured if I had to go pick up a couple things, I might as well take the big lug with me... what a disaster.


Thanks everyone for the tips and encouragement! It's nice to know I'm not the only one who has issues with their dog in the pet store! I like hearing what you do to keep control of the situation.



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I'm sorry, but I was laughing hard at the description of Red in the Dog Store.

Mensa goes crazy too at PetSmart, but she can't drag me around because I'm carrying alot more mass around on my feet than you are, even though she'd like to.

Mensa has just discovered the rodent department at PetSmart. She will watch the rats run on their wheels and practically howl she wants a piece of them so bad.
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I don't think I'll be taking Red back to the pet store alone without hubby with me. Red was acting like a complete maniac - he completely disregarded what he knew to be good manners and I was so embarressed! I know he's excited to go to the pet store, and there are lots of fun toys and treats to sniff, not to mention other dogs and dog-lovers, so some excitement is to be expected. But not listening to commands and being a holy terror was NOT expected!

It's my fault for taking him in without a second person with me, but this is what happened. He pulls me into the store, no matter how many corrections he received about pulling on the leash. I suppose I should've just put him back in the car at that point and did my shopping without him, but nevertheless, we get in there and he starts plucking stuffed animals off the shelves and shaking them - which is fine and actually kind of amusing. Then he sees another dog - a small Papillion or something - and after sniffing noses for about 2 seconds, he tries to squash it - like literally, reared up like a horse and came crashing down on it, causing it to yipe and get scared and its owner to run away from us! Then people try to stop to pet him and he jumps up on them! He's never allowed to jump on people, but its like all his training and manners went out the window as soon as he entered the store. No matter what I said or did, he would not listen or sit for petting. At this point, I'm getting really frustrated and to the point that I want to kick him, so I grab what I need and go up to the counter to pay so we can get the hell out. While we're waiting in line and he pees on the floor! OMG I'm about ready to die of shame now. He was actually going so nuts that he slipped out of his collar (flat nylon), but as soon as he realized he didn't have his collar on, he laid down on the floor unmoving until I could get it back on him - so that was the only good thing he did.

Once we got up to the counter to pay, I told the cashier that I'm really sorry, but my dog peed on the floor, and I don't know why he's acting like this and I'm never taking him to the pet store alone again since he's obviously too strong for me to handle when also trying to carry my purse and stuff to buy. She made me feel a lot better by saying that most people say their dogs act the worst when they are in a pet store. Well at least I'm not the only one, but his behavior still wasn't acceptable.

I was so mad at him for the rest of the night. I feel like a training failure. I mean, everyone who comes over or if we take him somewhere with us comments on what a nice, well-mannered puppy he is, and then we go into the pet store and he's a like a completely different dog!

Sorry just had to vent. I wanted to write this last night, but the forum was down. I just wanted to know if anyone else experiences this pet store madness, or if the cashier was just lying to me to make me feel better...?
Sorry to hear about your bad experience..how often had you taken him to the pet sotre prior to this? I would say your initial instincs were correct when he started pulling you and wasnt responding to corrections, putting him back in the car would of been wise. Next time you go i agree with the person that said dont make it a shopping day make it a trial run. If he continues to show you that he is a "hard" dog maybe another collar should be brought into the situation. I know many people hate putting pinch collars on their dogs or electric ones but from time to time they are very effective. At 8 months though it is actually normal behavior for lots of dobes if they havnt been exposed to that environment often enough from an earlier age, thats why i asked how often he had gone into the store prior>
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He was just being an exuberant puppy and able to get away with it on a flat nylon collar. Avoidance IMO isn't the way to train a dog to act acceptably in public situations. I would be going back every single day I could in a training collar and working him. Make sure he isn't "fresh", but exercised to get the wiggles out before-hand. If you need to just work him in the parking lot for a few visits until he gets that down fine, but he should be worked up to being able to be controlled inside too.

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LMAO.....I think most of us have been there. Bumpy once lifted his leg on an entire stack of cat beds.....imagine my horror. I thought I was going to die of embarrassment. And he is really tall, so the pee trickled down from the top covering about 10 cat beds......and that is just the beginning. Way back in the beginning Callie "took me down" in a Petco trying to get to other dogs she wanted to play with....flat on my ass. Oh yeah, memories......LOL. The best part is seeing people's faces with little dogs and their horrified looks when in actuality we have the friendliest dogs that are just excited to be around stuffies, treats, people and other dogs.

But thank you for starting out my morning with one of the best laughs I have had in a while (the visual is just so funny, trust me, it will be funny to you eventually as well).
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Sorry Burns, I had to laugh. Been there, done that

This is where obedience WITH distractions come in. It is a whole different ball game when you get away from "known" places and people.

I have good faith that with lots of practice, you and Red will overcome this
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Just wanted to add..........me and a friend of mine (who also had a doberman Rommels age....he is now passed away) used to go to PetSmart on Saturdays and do obedience in the Isle's. It worked....... We looked like retards for a while, but it did work. I now know ALL of the staff at the local petsmart, and I can put Rommel in a down stay and walk away to whole different isle.

(This was very carefully accomplished.)

But.....it does make it easier when you can put them in a down and read ingredients, or look at something more closely. And it makes it a TON easier to pay.

Rommel, Ziris and Piper will all do a down stay, all of them will let me pay, but I would say at this point, Rommel is the most reliable. Piper is stubborn as hell, and Ziris.....well Ziris is pretty good, but she is still young.
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Lol yea sorry burns I had to laugh, especially at the stuffie image, lol.

I'd suggest if you ever do try it again, tire him out first. Do a few minutes of obediance as well and bring some training treats in. Physically and mentally tired, hopefully he will be less of a burden.


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Sorry....I couldn't help but laugh though....it's nice to see Red acting like a typical Doberteen! I love reading this thread.....it makes me KNOW Petey is NORMAL!!!!

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LOL you guys! I am rolling right now reading your replies.

Well thanks for making me feel better!

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Mensa goes crazy too at PetSmart, but she can't drag me around because I'm carrying alot more mass around on my feet than you are, even though she'd like to.
Yeah it can be a problem for me. If he catches me off balance, he can pull me over!

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how often had you taken him to the pet sotre prior to this?
Prior to this, we went to the pet store about once every 2-3 weeks. I rotate between a couple different stores. He'd never been to this particular store before though, so maybe that was part of it.

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He was just being an exuberant puppy and able to get away with it on a flat nylon collar. Avoidance IMO isn't the way to train a dog to act acceptably in public situations. I would be going back every single day I could in a training collar and working him. Make sure he isn't "fresh", but exercised to get the wiggles out before-hand. If you need to just work him in the parking lot for a few visits until he gets that down fine, but he should be worked up to being able to be controlled inside too.
Thanks, Julie That was excellent advice. I'm just going to have to go as often as I can and really work with him.

*sigh* I guess its time to revisit the prong collar or buy a choke chain... or both.

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thank you for starting out my morning with one of the best laughs I have had in a while (the visual is just so funny, trust me, it will be funny to you eventually as well).
haha well, it does seem kinda funny now that I know a lot of people have similar issues! and the visual is pretty funny now that I've re-read it, lol

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This is where obedience WITH distractions come in. It is a whole different ball game when you get away from "known" places and people.

I have good faith that with lots of practice, you and Red will overcome this
Thanks, BIB You're right, I've got to step it up with more distractions. And get tough! :biggrin55

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I'd suggest if you ever do try it again, tire him out first. Do a few minutes of obediance as well and bring some training treats in. Physically and mentally tired, hopefully he will be less of a burden.
Yeah it was my fault for not exercising him first. And I know he loves cheese subes or hot dog pieces (I use BIB's method of hot dog slicing ) so the treats won't be a problem!

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Sorry....I couldn't help but laugh though....it's nice to see Red acting like a typical Doberteen! I love reading this thread.....it makes me KNOW Petey is NORMAL!!!!
of course Petey is normal! Red is no saint, trust me



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My boy dobe often turns into a big doofus in exciting places like petsmart. I use the prong collar if we go for walks or to stores. He is 7 now, so it's much less dramatic, but, yes.... I think we've all been there. My boy likes to do that if I bring him into work... usually just he first few minutes.... you know when I'm walking in the front door.. when the clients are often dropping off animals for surgery, and there for their appointments. I have to wonder if they're thinking .... "oh, yeah, look at the vet's dog... hasn't she trained him???!!!"

My girls are much better. I do some training w/ Isabel (pup) when I take her to the petsmart/petco/petsuppliesplus. She does pretty well, we work on sits, stands, waiting, walking on leash, leave it, etc. If I don't have treats, I just grab a bag, open it and pay for it on the way out.
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If I don't have treats, I just grab a bag, open it and pay for it on the way out.
ooh good idea! Red LOVES yummy new treats so that will be an excellent motivator.



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Burns,

We've all been there, I think I would change collars, I just refuse to be pulled around and find that a properly adjusted prong collar is self-correcting and works wonders. But the important thing is to keep taking him places. He will get better but you have to keep taking him out to as many places as possible.

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I agree with Robin.....Red's size and strength alone warrent a pinch until he is a bit older....just to be safe. I have to say.....Petey's pinch comes out and he runs over to have it put on....he knows we are going some where fun when it's on.

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