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post #51 of 60 (permalink) Old 11-21-2011, 04:09 PM
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I don't know if the OP is still reading our replies but here goes as far as my opinion with regards what is s good dog to protect your home.

Mastif. (Neopolitan, Bordeaux, English, Majorcan (rare breed) are perfect.
Dogo de Argentina
Pit Bull.
Rhodesian Ridgeback
Akita.
Boxer.

Whilst my Dobe barks at folk I got him to protect me and mine as well as deter folk from thinking about entering my home.

By the way I had a Mastif (Majorcan) who once bit off half of someones foot (literally) as they tried to climb over the fence. However, saying that, if the intruders know there is a dog and they want into your house they will likely dispatch the dog first.
To anyone that knows the breed, pit bulls are TERRIBLE guard dogs. Absolutely USELESS against any thief that knows the breed.

People steal "guard" pit bulls out of yards all the time. Walk right up and take them off their chain and walk out with them. They are NOT territorial, they will bark along a fence line but most times, if you call their bluff and go in, the worst you'll get is knocked over and slobbered to death. Then they'll show you to the vault, show you the pass code and hop in the truck to make the get away with you.

They were NEVER intended to be used as guard dogs. They lack a territorial / possessive nature. They have no attachment to territory or property, only their family.

They will protect their family to the death, but their family's home and property? Not so much.

Boxers are also not very good guard dogs. Again, good potential family protectors, but not good property protectors.

Too many people assume that just because a breed is known to protect PEOPLE, that it somehow extends to PROPERTY as well. It does not. A Protection Dog and a Guard dog are two different things.

A Doberman, like the boxer and pit bull, makes a good PROTECTION dog... But leaves quite a bit to be desired as a GUARD dog.

Geese, however, AWESOME! And if socialized they can be great with company once the owner makes it clear its ok. When we lived in England, we had some geese and they wouldn't let people out of their vehicles unless we came out to greet them. Once we came out, the geese would leave them be. They would tap on the door every morning for bread and scraps too. LOVE THEM! When we have property, I'm going to have a nice big gaggle of geese.

ETA: Other interesting "Guard dogs": Alpaca, Llama and Emu. Emu scare the crap out of me, I was chased by one as a kid (totally deserved it), and they mean BUSINESS (and can kill you). Alpaca and Llama are nothing to scoff at too, they're sometimes used as protectors of other livestock against small predators. Not many thieves would know how to respond to getting charged by an emu or alpaca. XD

Game-stock roosters... The down side is these guys will go after you just as soon as going after a stranger.

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I am going to second whoever said Rottweiler. Seems like good mix of what they're looking for. Definitely do you reading on them though, they need someone to stay on top of them. They're fantastic dogs though.

I don't think you need a protection dog, you just need a dog that most of the general public is scared of. For the most part, if people know you have a dog like a Doberman, Rottie, etc, they won't think about breaking into your house.

How has no one mentioned a chow-chow yet? I'd be more scared to walk into a yard with a chow in it than a few of the other breeds mentioned. I have only seen one chow that has not tried to bite me.. and I am around dogs 5 days a week.

Good luck in your search. Hope you find what you're looking for.
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I would also put Akita on the "maybe will protect people, wont protect property" list. All the ones I know (which is a lot since I'm part of a forum with Akita owners) are big babies for their people and hate not being with them.
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...and Emu. Emu scare the crap out of me, I was chased by one as a kid (totally deserved it), and they mean BUSINESS (and can kill you). .... Not many thieves would know how to respond to getting charged by an emu or alpaca. XD

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Unless they're Aussies Emus used to freak me out as a kid...had one sneek up behind me once and steal my sandwich right out of my hand as I raised it to my mouth Usually you can hear them comming by their belly 'thumps'...but this one was a ninja and struck from over my shoulder! They can be bossy pushy birds when they want to be!...although geese are scarier and more agressive I also got kicked 4 metres into the air by a red kangaroo as a kid (don't pat the cute joeys when mumma roo is around!)....but of all the wild animals I've ever encounted, it was the maquaque monkeys in Borneo that really scared the $#@# out of me (and this was as an adult)....they have seriously long sharp teeth and will surround you and threaten you when they outnumber you like a gang of thugs wanting your reeboks. ....never been so scared in my entire life!!!!

As for dobes protecting property....when Daims was young (sub 3 years) our house was broken into...they kicked in the back gate and broke in the back door...it wasn't Daims (from serious working lines) who stopped them....it was the sharpei on the inner side of the kitchen door that stopped them. Daims was more intent on running to the front verandah where he could look through the window and bark and snarl at the sharpei (who he hated).
As an older dog he did improve and would give a mean snarly growl if someone tried to climb over the fence and he would bark and hold If he disturbed someone when I was around (and was not to be messed with if I was in any danger)...but when I wasn't around the only guard role I could rely on was that of detterent...and given his previous record, that was obviously marginal.

Guarding property is the last reason I would get a dobe. It's not their forte.

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How did you come up with that list?? Those are some horrible choices of guard dogs. Pit bulls are "notorious" for being untrue to their guard dog stereo type image. Boxer as a guard dog?? That is just plain weird.

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I don't know if the OP is still reading our replies but here goes as far as my opinion with regards what is s good dog to protect your home.

Mastif. (Neopolitan, Bordeaux, English, Majorcan (rare breed) are perfect.
Dogo de Argentina
Pit Bull.
Rhodesian Ridgeback
Akita.
Boxer.

Whilst my Dobe barks at folk I got him to protect me and mine as well as deter folk from thinking about entering my home.

By the way I had a Mastif (Majorcan) who once bit off half of someones foot (literally) as they tried to climb over the fence. However, saying that, if the intruders know there is a dog and they want into your house they will likely dispatch the dog first.
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I think there is a slight misconception to what 'protecting property' really entails.

Before we purchased our house now, my mom dukes, who is a realtor, showed us several houses. In one of them was a crated dog, in the spare room. We didn't know what kind of dog, but we found out it was a female doberman.

Everything was quiet until I opened the door to take a look at the room, then the doggy, from inside her crate, let me know that she did not want me in the room, period. If she was not crated, I have little to dissuade me thinking she would have forcibly met me head on. I was simply a stranger in her space, without the owners presence. I don't think protecting the property was on her mind, so much as who the F was I.

I think that is all it boils down to. If you want a 'junk yard dog', you will not have a family pet. You will have a dog who is aggressive, or trained to be aggressive and that's the end of it.

My sweet lab boy has even gone into full 'wtf are you doing coming out of nowhere around me and my master' mode before, when people randomly enter his site surprisingly.

If you had a farm, or a mega huge backyard and kept some sort of livestock, several horses, etc. I would say try to get an Anatolian Shepherd. Anything inside your 'fence' (i.e. property) is under surveillance by an AS.

I tried to adopt one before, several years ago. My word those people take those dogs seriously. If you don't have a freakin football field for a yard, or an expanse of property with something that needs watching over, no dice. They are also naturally wary of strangers, so if you are a wuss of a leader, skip this dog as well.
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A white Doberman makes an awsome guard dog.
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German Shepards are # 10, and Dobermans are #9 on the top 10 list, and there are more breeds better able to guard a home. #6, 7, & 8 are Greater Swiss Mountain Dog, Pyrenean Mountain Dog, and Rottweiler. I listed descriptions of the top 5 below.

Source: Top 10 Badass Guard*Dogs

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Doberman Pinschers are, in general, a gentle, loyal, loving, and highly intelligent breed. Although there is variation in temperament, a typical pet Doberman attacks only if it believes that it, its property, or its family are in danger. According to the US Centers for Disease Control, the Doberman Pinscher is less frequently involved in attacks on humans resulting in fatalities than several other dog breeds such as pit bulls, because they can be trained to restrain an unwelcome intruder but not kill him. The breed was used extensively by the U.S. Marines in World War II, and 25 Marine War Dogs died in the Battle of Guam in 1944: there is a memorial in Guam in honor of these Doberman Pinschers


They were doing fine until they got to the part in bold. I don't get the rage about Cane Corso's, neat dogs but they tire out to fast for any real protection work, and the picture of the Boerboel's look like Bandogge's. I don't think the person that compiled that list really know's what they are talking about, but that tends to be true of every guard dog list I've seen.
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