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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 07-18-2020, 05:10 PM Thread Starter
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My guy is currently on Orijen Puppy Large, I am wondering if it would be okay to switch him to Orijen Adult as I’ve heard the puppy formula is specialized for slow growth. Also, what are your opinions on Royal Canin’s Large Breed Puppy kibble? Thanks in advance. He is almost 4 months now.
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Is he doing well on Orijen?

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You're going to find a wide variety of opinions on food. I personally prefer to feed a food that meets WSAVA guidelines (https://wsava.org/wp-content/uploads...r-your-Pet.pdf).

Since there are studies ongoing about feeding grain-free diets, and Champion Dog Foods was one of the manufacturers that had a lot of cases of dogs that may have been associated with nutritional DCM, I'm personally cautious of feeding that. I say that having raised one of my dogs on Orijen. Obviously, as cardiologists and nutritionist have said, more studies are needed. For now, though, I'm personally more comfortable feeding foods formulated by veterinary nutritionists (foods like Proplan, Royal Canin, etc). Other people feel differently, and that's okay. I feed Proplan, and my dogs do extremely well on it.


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There does not seem to be any fussing or problems over Orijen, however I am finding it quite expensive. This kibble is averaging around $150 a month. Zeus had been on Royal Canin prior to the switch as I had been recommended by other doberman owners that Orijen is one of the best foods for a growing doberpup. He did well on it and does not seem to be picky about any food he is given. I had heard that Royal Canin packs a bunch of unnecessary carbs instead of complete protein sources. Just looking for some clarity, thanks.
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There does not seem to be any fussing or problems over Orijen, however I am finding it quite expensive. This kibble is averaging around $150 a month. Zeus had been on Royal Canin prior to the switch as I had been recommended by other doberman owners that Orijen is one of the best foods for a growing doberpup. He did well on it and does not seem to be picky about any food he is given. I had heard that Royal Canin packs a bunch of unnecessary carbs instead of complete protein sources. Just looking for some clarity, thanks.
Well, I personally trust the veterinary nutritionists who have a lot of years of research and schooling. Dogs are actually not obligate carnivores like cats. They can and do thrive on diets that include grain. A lot of the kibbles that are "grain free" have replaces the typical grains (like rice) with novel protein sources like peas and legumes, which we do not yet have long term scientific studies on, and may not be healthy for dogs. There is some suggestion, in fact, that pea protein is not healthy for dogs - it is one of the potentially implicated ingredients that may correlate with nutritional DCM. Like I said in my earlier post, further studies are needed. There are also a lot of anecdotal stories of diets with pea proteins affecting fertility, but as of yet, no studies on that.

I like the Tufts University page for good information. https://vetnutrition.tufts.edu/. On the FAQ they address grain-free/carbs.
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I use to feed Orijen for years however that girl passed I gave it to my new girl, she is now 5.5 yrs she did not do well on the high protein count she always had loose poo I now feed Fromms both dogs do well on Fromm
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I'm another one whose go to brand is Purina Pro Plan--mostly the Focus line--and usually the "Sensitive Skin and Stomach" (rebranded years ago but still is salmon and rice).

I don't feed puppy food at all--I now stick with "all ages" types and this has worked well for me and my dogs for 25 years or more.

I've never fed any of the grain free types on a regular basis but have tried a number of things on the short term over the years and wasn't thrilled with them. Some of them the dogs clearly didn't like and ate only because they were very hungry. Others because it affected their ability to gain and retain weight or their coats began looking bad (anything with lamb) and only the Australian Shepherd didn't end up with soft or sloppy poops from all of the grain free types.

Just my experience but on the whole I've stuck with a recommendation given to me by my first vet I was using when I got my first Doberman--he said, stick to the big manufacturers who actually test their formulas on dogs and use vets/nutritionists to formulate the prescription diets. It's worked for me since 1959.

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