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Update Loki the Fawn boy

Hi Everyone hows it going? We are doing ok with Loki training, he is 13 months. It's getting very hot here (near LA) which makes the dogs lazy until zoomie time after hose showers in the late afternoon. Bella loves her "nice hose" Loki thinks its too cold, so yesterday he got a real bath in our shower. His fur is looking great!

Bella and Loki play together a lot. Bella (is 8) is maintaining alpha status. It gets rough sometimes and we do overlook, and reprimand Bella for overdoing it, if she is snarling or about to get snappy. Sometimes the escalation is because of proximity to me. I know they are "jealous" of each other over my attention, and I do try to split my heart and attention very evenly or weighted towards Bee. Loki is my new bf. He Must Be In The Same Room as me.... there is Nothing like having Dobie Boy Love!!!!

Last night he was excessively shaking his head and I got up. Inside his ear was inflamed and had a scratch, I think because of rough play, and or the heat. I gently cleaned it and applied Anbesol. It is almost better today.

I had really hoped they could also enjoy toys. Both of them separately obviously think toys are great. When Bee was the only dog, she and I played endlessly with indestructible soft rubber type toys.

Now after 3 tries I think I will put them away for good. Possesiveness gets the better of them and the whole feeling of the fun they usually have is broken and they just can't handle it and there is a tussle which we have to break up.

Any advice greatly appreciated. Hang in there <><><
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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old 05-08-2020, 03:21 PM
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Surprise, surprise (not) your Dobegal is the Alpha!

Great pictures, hope you have them in higher resolution.
The last one is very sweet.

My advice is to immediately submit that fantastic first picture in this month's "Outdoor Dobes" calendar picture contest...
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You have the right idea about the toy situation. You can spend an inordinate amount of time overseeing toys to make sure that possessiveness doesn't get out of hand but I'd personally vote for put them away and deal them out only when the dogs aren't out together.

Most of my Dobes didn't have problems with possession but there was rarely that much of an age and status difference between them. The one exception was that one of the older males had an attitude with a new bone--so he got to have it when it was new but only in his crate--after about a week the "new" wore off and he didn't care if someone else had "his' bone.

He's a handsome boy--I really do have a big fat soft spot that is evidently permanent for the fawn boys.

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Hi Princess! Thanks for the update w/ pics

What a cool looking boy that Loki is.

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Love your updates Princess Bella

Very cool pictures ! Agree with Spocksdad - better enter that one for the Calendar !

Thanks !

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As far as resource guarding goes...

There are some toys my dogs can have out all the time without getting "guardy." I have a box of Benebones and Chuck-it balls (a big box!) and they can both choose things out of that box (or, let's be real...they generally take everything out of the box and they are all over the living room all day!). They don't fight over those. Maybe it's because they are "low value" or because there are so many of them.

However, there are definitely things that are "high value" in my house, and they can only have those things when they are separated in their crates. Raw bones, bully sticks, stuffed Kongs...I know what kinds of things are going to provoke guarding, and I simply head it off by having the dogs separated. Or, if I happen to buy a toy that makes someone feel guardy, that's a nope, and it goes away.

I'd rather not deal with it, so I just use management. There's also a great book on resource guarding, Jean Donaldson's "Mine! A Practical Guide for Resource Guarding in Dogs." It's a step by step guide for addressing resource guarding, both between dogs, and from people. It works well.
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Well my dogs are back to eating rocks. Which is why I tried the toys for the 3rd time.
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I wanted to add that Loki wowed them at the vet, he had to go inside without us, and behaved well. He is 29", weighs 85 lbs eats Totw Pacific stream with 1 Tablespoon boiled chicken and 1 cup chicken broth total 5 cups with squirts of salmon oil, Bella is 75 lbs (steady adult weight) same stuff 2 cups; daily.

They both got rattler vaccines

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Well my dogs are back to eating rocks. Which is why I tried the toys for the 3rd time.
That's super frustrating

Do they only fight over toys outside? Can you give us some more detail? For some dogs, if you provide many, many toys, it can cut down on the guarding. For some, they have to be a low enough value. For some, it takes a lot of training. For some, it just simply won't work.

If they are eating rocks outside, I'm going to HIGHLY recommend using basket muzzles. Eating rocks is really dangerous and can lead to an obstruction. A nice, comfortable basket muzzle will keep them safe and is comfortable for them. I've found that greyhound muzzles fit most Dobermans really well and are an inexpensive option (you can find them online for less than $20). I'd visit the Muzzle Up Project for instructions on how to introduce them to wearing muzzles in a way that makes it a happy, pleasant thing for them. Just remember good dogs wear muzzles, too: https://muzzleupproject.com/
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The rocks here are sandstone and they are easily broken up into little bits and that's what they do. I have not seen them actually eat the rocks, only pretend they are nice and spit them out. Bella has never had an obstruction or anything remotely like that. And Loki does not steal stuff nor is a destructive chewer. Thank you for your concern and advice!

The last time I put out about 5 toys plus 2 old antlers. Loki likes the one he got when we used to keep him in the office at night. (This lasted 1.5 nights....) Bella likes her antlers. We realized one of the antlers had got too small for Loki's big mouth, and threw it out. Bella actually learned a new trick that evening leaping up to catch a high throw tennis ball! I know leaping is not good but it was special that one time because she has never been good at catch.

They traded off all the goodies a few times amicably but then started guarding and bristling. It escalated until it was the worst tussle yet and I had removed the toys by that time. I think Bella misses her toys, but she also loves to play with Loki endlessly and most of the time it is great entertainment to watch and a positive for both of them. Loki is pretty passive but he can whop her pretty good with his hook right paw. She is quicker and very agile.

Yesterday Loki and I went to a nearby wooded trail, a mini mall and a grassy park. He was quite good until the evil Frenchie was seen to be advancing and Loki flipped (out) around in excitement. I think he used to be picked on quite a bit by a male female dobie older pair. The po was going to sell him as a bait dog( btw we paid 120 bucks for this beautiful, well mannered and affectionate boy....
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More photos of Loki and Bella. We hike with them on nearby private lands, never anyone else out there. Loki is letting me clip his claws His fur is pretty good and if he gets little dry spots, I use an olive oil salve. Keep sane and safe everybody, I sure do love the puppy threads!!

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