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Should I get my Male Doberman a brother?

Hello! I have a 3 year old altered male Dobie who is as sweet as can be. I mean, really! He is great with babies, small children, all dogs both big and small, even cats. Honestly I never thought I could get so lucky.

I've been considering getting him a play mate as he always wants to play and socialize with other dogs. Does anybody have any recommendations regarding housing two male dobermans together? Ive read about SSA in the past but would like to hear about everyone's personal experiences. Thanks!
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Lots of SSA posts on this site. Long story short......NO.
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It takes a special type to pull that deal off - Only 2 that I can think of on here - One has shown , worked Agility , got her first Doberman in 1959 .

I have to agree with V-Z - 100 % no .
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HARD nope. Go with a bitch, instead, if you want a second canine in your house.
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No don't do it. If you're thinking about s puppy a reputable breeder wouldn't place another male with you anyhow.
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Short answer is no--even though you have a male (neutered) who gets along with all other dogs it is really a different story when you try to bring another male into his home and he's with that dog 24/7.

A lot of males (neutered or not) will get along with other males for brief play periods on neutral ground but 24/7 is a whole different story.

Do a search for some of the threads on same sex aggression. It's fairly common in Dobermans and neutered or not makes no difference. Also at three--your dog is only barely fully grown and developed--a good many dogs don't even show signs of ssa until they are older than your dog.

Almost all male dogs will not only tolerate but get along well with a female and you'll find that the bitches even as puppies will rule the roost.

Play it safe--if you want to add another Doberman or even just another dog for your 3 year old boy to play with--get a bitch not another male.

And I'm one of the people who ECIN mentioned--I've had Dobes since 1959--and owned one bitch back in the early 60's but have had only males since then. So I've had multiple males and have made it work but I NEVER, EVER recommend this to other people. I've had some exception situations that allowed it to work for me.

But on the whole most of the attempts of people trying to keep two adult male Dobermans is not successful and it ends up being a situation where the only solution is to rehome one of the dogs or live with a total separation with one dog kenneled while the other dog is out.

And as others have pointed out--generally a good breeder won't even consider selling a male puppy to you if you already have a more or less adult male in the house.

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In my opinion, I wouldn't do it. I'd get a female due to the risk of SSA.

I did get lucky because my male malamute/husky mix does fantastic with my boyfriend's male doberman but there were several factors that helped with that one. But again, not everyone will get that lucky.

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I thank everybody for the input!
Getting another dobie is something that I am very weary about.

Seeing everybody's comments, I believe that another male is not a good option. I have seen suggestions to get a female, would this truly be a good option in the long run? Do Dobermans typically have aggression towards both Male and female, or specifically towards males?

I would hate to get a female (when I normally prefer males) and have the same scenario happen. Advice on housing both male and females together?

Thanks!
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Dobermans are prone to same sex aggression. Typically you will see this more often in the males--a male doberman may be reactive toward other male dogs, regardless of whether they are neutered or not. The other dog does not have to be a doberman, or particularly aggressive himself. So keeping a male doberman with any other male dog can be a problem.

Doberman females can be reactive with other female dogs. It is not as common as the male-male aggression problem, but it can happen.

Typically two dogs of opposite sex will get along.

The main problem you have to address with having a male and a female dog in the same household is an unwanted pregnancy. If you are not ABSOLUTELY sure you can prevent your female dog from breeding, with your own dog or any other, you should have her spayed.
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Are you wanting to buy a puppy from a breeder or an adult/rescue?
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Great advice given above. Just my experience from having a male and female Dobe...their play is rough, but the female is always considered to be La Jefa (The Boss) so she controls intensity and duration of play. PIA Spock, very vocal, likes to tease Eva to get her to play with him (His premise: "Any attention is good attention!)

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Two male Dobes, like Spock, living together in same household would just be too much intensity and might lead to a SSA incident, IMO...

I'm not saying that male Dobes can't play together, if known and supervised, successfully.
Here is a video taken in 2012 of Spock (2.5 y/o then) and new aquaintance, Leroy, at HADR Doberfest in Houston, on their horse farm.
You can see how intense, even though well intentioned, their male-male play can be.

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It's a real trip to see all the Dobes behaving well, since it's a neutral ground for all. Only saw one stink-eye incident during the whole morning event w/ BBQ.

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As others have said, definitely not worth the risk of having two males. Sometimes very experienced people (like Bug) can make it work, but for someone not very, very familiar with the breed it would not be recommended. It's certainly not worth risking having to life a life where you can't have both dogs out together, ever, and have to have them live with one always crated while the other is out.

Having two Dobermans is nice, in my opinion, and an opposite sex pair typically works out well. The bitch is pretty much always the boss! Doesn't matter if she's younger. My two get along great. Sypha has been in charge since about the second day she arrived, and she was a young pup. The males nearly always defer to the female.

As others said, they play ROUGH. It took my extended family a while to understand they were just playing, not trying to hurt each other! They LOVE to play. They still play pretty hard, and Richter's turning 8 in a few months.

Some dogs, though, are perfectly fine without a companion. I always say never to get another dog because you think your DOG wants one. Get one because YOU want one. You can never guarantee that it'll be a bonded relationship. Sometimes all you get is two dogs who agree to live together and ignore each other.

Here are my two playing:

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LOL, I got a message that I didn't post a "loud enough" video of my two playing

Here's much more typical play at home (rather than the other video which was running at a field away from home) ...p.s., the noise is almost ALL my girl...



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