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Anything RAW?

I’ve been really wanting to feed my dogs a raw diet but with 3 Dobes I just couldn’t afford it. However, last night I asked a guy in the deli of a local grocery store if he could help me out with scraps. And WOW, did he ever!
He gave me EVERYTHING, about 50 lbs of RAW. (I told him I can freeze whatever I can’t use immediately, and he invited me back every Thursday)
So, the question is, is there anything I should EXCLUDE from feeding them? Or is it all OK ?
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Are you wanting to feed completely raw, a 50-50 raw/kibble diet, or just supplement a kibble diet with some raw?

Some general guidelines are:

Don't give anything that is seasoned, like sausages. They can cause gastric upset.

Muscle meat is good. Beef, pork, lamb, poultry, etc., as long as they aren't seasone or enhanced. A lot of chicken has a broth solution added to "plump" them up. Perfectly legal, but it adds a lot of salt to the meat.

Organs are good. Hearts (beef, chicken, whatever) count as muscle meat, not organs. I think that poultry gizzards do, as well.

Some bones, like chicken quarters and frames, can be chewed and eaten. Other bones, like beef knuckle bones, are more for recreational chewing.
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Are you wanting to feed completely raw, a 50-50 raw/kibble diet, or just supplement a kibble diet with some raw?

Some general guidelines are:

Don't give anything that is seasoned, like sausages. They can cause gastric upset.

Muscle meat is good. Beef, pork, lamb, poultry, etc., as long as they aren't seasone or enhanced. A lot of chicken has a broth solution added to "plump" them up. Perfectly legal, but it adds a lot of salt to the meat.

Organs are good. Hearts (beef, chicken, whatever) count as muscle meat, not organs. I think that poultry gizzards do, as well.

Some bones, like chicken quarters and frames, can be chewed and eaten. Other bones, like beef knuckle bones, are more for recreational chewing.
I've heard, and I'm in no way shape or form, an expert. That Pork and lamb should be given in smaller quantities due to something like being harder on the liver (I think it was the liver)? Do you know if that has any amount of merit to it?
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I've heard, and I'm in no way shape or form, an expert. That Pork and lamb should be given in smaller quantities due to something like being harder on the liver (I think it was the liver)? Do you know if that has any amount of merit to it?
That's not something I've heard. Linda Case (B.S. in Animal Science and an M.S. in Canine/Feline Nutrition) does have some articles about lamb on her blog, The Science Dog.

This one relates to taurine. https://thesciencedog.com/2018/08/30...of-the-matter/

This one is about digestibility. https://thesciencedog.com/2017/02/01...ility-matters/

This is the link to her website. https://thesciencedog.com/
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That's not something I've heard. Linda Case (B.S. in Animal Science and an M.S. in Canine/Feline Nutrition) does have some articles about lamb on her blog, The Science Dog.

This one relates to taurine. https://thesciencedog.com/2018/08/30...of-the-matter/

This one is about digestibility. https://thesciencedog.com/2017/02/01...ility-matters/

This is the link to her website. https://thesciencedog.com/
Thank you for sharing.
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Thanks, I m planning to go 100% raw, but am doing a 50/50 right now until I do enough homework to make sure I’m not cheating the dogs of anything essential.
My initial concern was is everything in the “mix” of meat ok in varying amounts? Anything totally off limits.
It’s all quality cuts of chicken, beef, thick bacon, ground beef, some stuff I’m not even familiar with, but it’s all the stuff that had to be removed from the cooler, as it was expiring THAT DAY (so I froze it, and am only unfreezing what I can use in a couple days) is that safe?
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I wouldn't feed the bacon, as it is usually cured with a lot of salt and sugar, and is very fatty (too much fat can cause pancreatitis). And as I said earlier, no sausage or seasoned meat.
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That's not something I've heard. Linda Case (B.S. in Animal Science and an M.S. in Canine/Feline Nutrition) does have some articles about lamb on her blog, The Science Dog.

This one relates to taurine. https://thesciencedog.com/2018/08/30...of-the-matter/

This one is about digestibility. https://thesciencedog.com/2017/02/01...ility-matters/

This is the link to her website. https://thesciencedog.com/
Thanks for those links, Rosemary.

It gives some credence to my theory that lamb wasn't the bet food to be feeding my Dobermans. At the time (and this was back in the 60's when lamb hit big as the hot new food. The advertising was aimed primarily about dogs that were allergy problem and because lamb hadn't been used much in dog foods at that time it was a "novel" protein and high quality etc.

I tried it (although none of my dogs were allergy cases (well, one of them was--he was allergic to egg whites but that was easily solved I gave the other dog a hard boiled egg plus the egg white from the other dogs egg. What I found was that it took less and a month on the lamb formula and my dogs coat look ratty and I was having trouble keeping weight on them.

Over time I tried lamb from different manufacturers with similar results--had problems keeping weight on the dogs and their coat condition was awful.

I quit even experimenting with lamb at that point.

It's one of the advantages of using food manufactured by a big company that uses staff nutritionists and keeps a colony of test dogs to feed formulas to and see if they actually work. As it's turned out over time--a lot of formulas have been developed via computer models which turned out to be not so good for a variety of reasons when fed to living animals.

Interesting studies though.

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Lamb based kibble always seems to give my dogs the most noxious gas.... We're talking "clear the room, go look for a respirator, smells worse than the refinery" flatulence.
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Interesting read Rose. I fed Coco lamb and now Sugar as part of their regular rotation of protein. Of course both were/are raw fed and not on kibble. Both enjoyed lamb. In fact Sugar is eating it today and has a lamb tail and neck as treats for this week.

To the OP please do your research if you are planning to go fully raw. They do require rotating protein, organs (heart actually is a muscle meat and not an organ) and raw bone. Never ever cooked bone.

I also wouldn't feed bacon to your dog. Both of my dogs have enjoyed a cooked piece of bacon periodically as a treat but never regularly. When Coco was not feeling well near the end of her life I was able to get her appetite back with scrambled eggs and a piece of bacon.

Every dog is different and doesn't like all of the same raw foods. Coco absolutely loved chicken feet but Sugar hates them. Sugar loves duck feet but Coco turned her nose up at them. Sugar thinks ground eggshells are the best treat ever whereas Coco would spit them out.
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Every dog is different and doesn't like all of the same raw foods. Coco absolutely loved chicken feet but Sugar hates them. Sugar loves duck feet but Coco turned her nose up at them. Sugar thinks ground eggshells are the best treat ever whereas Coco would spit them out.
Yes, Ilka would happily eat half frozen meat, as well as frozen blobs of liver and organs, but Leo would be like "Waitress!! Could I send this back for something completely defrosted?". She would eat it, but prefers any raw food un-frozen, thank you very much.

Leo loves egg shells, and will happily crunch them down and beg for more. Lily likes to lick the insides, but will eat it eventually. Ilka, after scarfing down the first few I gave her, reached the point to where if I handed her one, she would spit it out and give me a dirty look for trying to trick her into eating it. (Darn, I miss that mutt....)
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I just want to add a little comment here that no one has touched on yet. A lot of people don't have this problem, but I did, with every single one of my dogs. When I was switching them over to raw, I did a gradual switch (recommended by some people online...) and the dogs ended up having horrible bouts of liquid diarrhea. I thought it was the raw meat, so I put them back on 100% kibble, but after more research, I found that the pH required to digest kibble v.s. raw meat is vastly different, and some dogs can't do both. I got on a raw feeding forum, read a LOT, sifted through the BS and finally decided to switch completely to raw all at once. I had one day with some loose poops, and that was it. They all adjusted just fine and have been on raw ever since with no problems.

Anyway, I just wanted to mention that, because we always seem to blame the "new thing" for any problems, even if it's not completely the "new thing's" fault. Hopefully, you're not having that problem with yours. It's not for the squeamish, I can tell you! LOL!
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I grind up my egg shells to feed back to the chickens for harder shells. What's the benefit of feeding them to your dog?
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I grind up my egg shells to feed back to the chickens for harder shells. What's the benefit of feeding them to your dog?
Its an excellent source of calcium and protein that also helps with the skin and coat.

Also another helpful site for going raw would be this one https://perfectlyrawsome.com/ They have some very good guides for both the prey model and the BARF (world's worst acronym ever) diet.

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