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For Fritz And Cressrb ! : )) Mr. B.

First off - I hurt my knee again and can barely walk , BUT Fritz and Aunt Bonnie wanted to see a video of Mr. B with his lead So for them - I suffered threw it - just for them

We have been working on the Beginner Rally OB . Give me your thoughts - what I'm doing right or wrong - As soon as I can get my knee fixed up , want to go after his Rally OB .

Rally training starting Mr. B

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Hi Doc - I have no clue on what the rules or how a dog needs to react for Beginner Rally OB. But I would love if Mila was that well behaved!

I do think it is cute/funny how Mr. B. needs to pick up his leash. Like he feels the need for someone to be in control of the leash.

Sorry about your knee - does look quite painful
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That is a cute leash pick-up. The pictures do so much more justice to the maneuver than just your description. LOL

The main correction I'm seeing is that you have his leash taut as you pivot around to the right, so that it looks like you're tugging him around a bit. But that is probably because you're having to hobble and move slow. He just can't get going enough to be snappy on the heel when you're gimping along beside him.

So OWIE on the knee..I take it it is an old recurring injury? How long does it normally take for you to get sound again?
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I learned this trick in a Rally Obedience class. We place a clip on our self at the level of the dog's head and on the left side. We then had a clicker and taught the dog to touch the clip. Quick reward. This helped in keeping the dog close to our body. Can't help with the leash pick up as I never had a dog do that. Looking good at what you are doing. Hopefully the knee thing get better quickly
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[BThe main correction I'm seeing is that you have his leash taut as you pivot around to the right, so that it looks like you're tugging him around a bit. But that is probably because you're having to hobble and move slow. He just can't get going enough to be snappy on the heel when you're gimping along beside him][/B]

I caught that too Mel , I didn't even know it at the time . I turned one time so slow he was going to sit . Thanks for seeing that too .

As far as knee - I have had trouble with my knees since I was a kid . Doc said my occupation did them no favors either . Going to see a new knee Doc for this one , Old Doc said I needed a new knee , but that's a big problem - they are afraid it will get get infected and that means they would have to take it out till infection is gone . They want to try some new shots that use chicken fat to help it alone with a new brace ( Offloader ) and see how that works . No time line it
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Oh Doc, it looks painful. I feel for you. I had a bad knee and was afraid I might need replacement so I put it off for years. (One of my dogs knocked me down the deck stairs). Anyway, went to an orthapedic Dr. ( how am I misspelling that?) and it was just a torn meniscus. They trimmed it and I have never suffered since. Easy surgery.
Priceless Mr. B's return. He was so happy to bring that to you since you forgot.
Maybe you should wait until your knee is better. Before you start any exercise make sure Mr. B is sitting on your left side. Then give the command to heel. You probably already know this, but with any command always say his name first and then the command. I think you are doing really good with him. What a handsome boy he is and so obviously want to please you.

I tried the rooster comb injection. Nope. I tried cortisone shots. Nope. Why would they think you might get an infection?
Thx for taking the time to do the video. Gave me a good chuckle, but not about your limp. So sorry about your pain.
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Great video Doc! Mr. B is very well behaved. Funny leash pickup.

Good advice from others above. I didn't have any sound on clip?
Do you coach Mr. B verbally during the exercises? Is that allowed in Rally OB?

In therapy dog obedience evals, verbal coaching is permitted and encouraged.


Doc, if you keep messin' up your knee, you'll have to switch Mr. B from Rally OB to Service Dog training.


Then he might be in Ryker's class!

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Ouch on the knees. And that leash pick up is hilarious.


Overall, y'all are pretty good. As has been mentioned, the tight lead is where you would lose points. Give him enough slack to where there is a J shape in the lead. In rally, you can talk to him and give both verbal and hand cues.

You can see how loose I have Ilka's leash in this video.

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No fun with the bad knee, I feel for you there! I get the 2x a year shots in my knees.
He really is being a very good boy! I'd work on doing his recalls without the leash - or just holding it and standing as far away as the leash allowed..... or most likely a combo of the two.
I did enjoy him picking up the leash (grin(
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UGH Kenny....

No knee talk! In fact, here... Already one knee replacement with another coming some day soon.

In fact, no joint talk in general. Already had one hip replaced and I am looking at shoulder surgery if the MRI that I am getting on Monday doesn't suggest a last chance alternative route. Oh well.

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Great fun video KEN, minus the knee pain...Mr. Business is working good and excited
to be there - so fantastic BOND, with Daddy there.

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a) Imperative / don't Heal one time, leading with your left foot stepping out
- and next time, Healing with your right foot stepping out First
- LEFT step out is Heal Mr B. / because your Leg movement, is easiest for dog
to see quickly
- RIGHT foot step out, is STAY / your opposite leg in use now


^^ I trained my first 2 dogs, to watch my specific Legs move & Heal or remain Seated accordingly...excellent proofing, running through a OB Trial, without verbal commands...my girls had Fun, when Dad tried to trick them into making a small mistake...they Loved the added challenge, and never took their eyes off me...ever.

b) KEN, your running through SIT & HEAL like a scarred Jack rabbit...almost not giving
Mr. Business enough time for his butt to touch the floor // so you haven't taken the extra time, to view a straight or crocked sit either.
- SLOW DOWN & Don't Rush, count 1001-1002-1003, and observe Mr B. fully
- finish each segment of the Formal routine...to the best of Team ability / with a relaxed pause or TRANSITION TIME
- correction positioning, as needed (if dog, leaning on your left leg)
- OB is not a race to the Finish Line / perfection is Judged & Scored, instead
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Ouch on the knees. And that leash pick up is hilarious.


Overall, y'all are pretty good. As has been mentioned, the tight lead is where you would lose points. Give him enough slack to where there is a J shape in the lead. In rally, you can talk to him and give both verbal and hand cues.

You can see how loose I have Ilka's leash in this video.

Thanks Rosemary ! What a great video of you 2 ! I will be watching that many , may times ! You were SSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOO Smooth and relaxed

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Great fun video KEN, minus the knee pain...Mr. Business is working good and excited
to be there - so fantastic BOND, with Daddy there.

Beau TIPS

a) Imperative / don't Heal one time, leading with your left foot stepping out
- and next time, Healing with your right foot stepping out First
- LEFT step out is Heal Mr B. / because your Leg movement, is easiest for dog
to see quickly
- RIGHT foot step out, is STAY / your opposite leg in use now


^^ I trained my first 2 dogs, to watch my specific Legs move & Heal or remain Seated accordingly...excellent proofing, running through a OB Trial, without verbal commands...my girls had Fun, when Dad tried to trick them into making a small mistake...they Loved the added challenge, and never took their eyes off me...ever.

b) KEN, your running through SIT & HEAL like a scarred Jack rabbit...almost not giving
Mr. Business enough time for his butt to touch the floor // so you haven't taken the extra time, to view a straight or crocked sit either.
- SLOW DOWN & Don't Rush, count 1001-1002-1003, and observe Mr B. fully
- finish each segment of the Formal routine...to the best of Team ability / with a relaxed pause or TRANSITION TIME
- correction positioning, as needed (if dog, leaning on your left leg)
- OB is not a race to the Finish Line / perfection is Judged & Scored, instead
Your 100 % right 6-7 ! I am to uptight - need to learn to relax - One of our trainers said much what you did , I have LOTS to learn ! By doing a video - I can see just what I'm doing wrong and with the DT crew to help correct it will surly help out team Mr. Business Thanks again 6-7 for constructive advice !

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I do have another suggestion, and that is to video as many training sessions of yourself as possible, and then watch the videos and see where you are doing well, so that you will remember what that felt like. Also, make a note of where things aren't so great, and think about what you can do to improve that.

Another suggestion that can be hard on the knees but good for teaching a dog that they have rear feet is pivots. Lots and lots of pivots. When a dog is in left heel position, left hand pivots teach them to keep their butt in, while right hand pivots teach them to follow you and wrap with their body.
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Thanks Rosemary - Do you have a video to show the pivots as you talked about ?

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Thanks Rosemary - Do you have a video to show the pivots as you talked about ?

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I thought I did, but I can't find any. Since it's a nice day, though, I was thinking about working some with the girls, and I can upload some video later this afternoon.
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Your 100 % right 6-7 ! I am to uptight - need to learn to relax - One of our trainers said much what you did , I have LOTS to learn ! By doing a video - I can see just what I'm doing wrong and with the DT crew to help correct it will surly help out team Mr. Business Thanks again 6-7 for constructive advice !

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Slow down, you move too fast
You got to make the morning last
Just kicking down the cobblestones
Looking for fun and feeling groovy
Ba da-da da-da da-da, feeling groovy

Hello lamppost, what'cha knowing
I've come to watch your flowers growin'
Ain't you got no rhymes for me?
Doo-ait-n-doo-doo, feeling groovy
Ba da-da da-da da-da, feeling groovy

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I'm dappled and drowsy and ready to sleep
Let the morning time drop all its petals on me
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Mrs. 67 picked a great song 6-7 - Tell her thanks
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<VBG> Yeah, thanks a lot--now I've got "Feeling Groovy" stuck in my head..

Only teasing you, Kenny, and Beau (Mrs. Beau too)--there are far worse songs to have stuck in my head.

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Sorry about you knee Ken. Looks painful.

When I did Obedience and Rally Obedience with Baron, I watch You Tube videos of people training and doing competition. Also, there are some good sites that offer CD's, books, etc.

This is one: One-Stop Shop for AKC Rally Needs

There are others but could not find them at the moment. I will dig Baron's stuff out and see if I can the book names and CD's.

Also, think about getting the actual Rally signs to set up to practice. That is what I did. Baron and I really never took a class. Just practiced and studied on our own. I loved Rally and so did Baron. Its really fun.

Now, regular Obedience we did lots and lots of classes in order to get his CDX. Ran out of time to get his UD as by that time he was 6 1/2 and it would have taken me another 2 years to feel comfortable in the ring at that level. Plus did not want to stress him out with his DCM.
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We use a pedestal to work on pivots - Sypha thinks it's the MOST FUN EVER. She's a weirdo
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Okay, I finally got the video of Leo's session from yesterday edited and uploaded. This is about half of the entire session. We start out with a little bit of the chase the treats game, and then do a few reminders of where heel position is, and then start moving. After some work on the flat, we work on the pedestal (pivot disc, platform, call it what you will) that MeadowCat mentions. Then, we move on to our Nemesis... heeling on the right hand side. (Next dog is going to learn heeling on both sides right from the get-go.)

Please note that a) we haven't done this in entirely too long, especially heeling on the right; b) I am not the world's greatest trainer by any stretch of the imagination, and the nip is entirely my fault for not having my hand in the correct position; and c) Leo is not the most coordinated dog out there, and sometimes has a bit of hind-end weakness.

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Great work Rosemary!
Enjoyed your video.
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