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Hello and happy holidays to everyone! Hopefully I've put this in the right section......

After many years, I have finally decided to get a new car but the problem is I have no idea what kind of car to get. All I know is that I want an SUV so I'm asking all the good people here on DT for their car opinions.

Currently I drive a 2007 Saturn Vue (I've seriously had this car since high school) and I have two pups, a rather small 40 lb husky and a 94 lb husky/malamute mix. Hopefully in April, I will be adding a little dobie member to the family so I need something that will be good with three dogs, with the occasional visit from the boyfriend's dobie or a friend's dog. I was looking at either the Wrangler or the 4Runner but some advice would be great.

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Hi yuki.

My son just bought a new GMC Yukon to haul the kids, the dogs and whatever else. He frequently rents Yukons, Suburbans and Tahoes for out of town work, so he knew what he was getting into. Its the perfect rig for his family an our area.

The down side? Fully loaded, they are quite expensive.

With 3 dogs, I would not get a Wrangler.

We currently have a 10th Anniversary JKUR. That is the 4 door Rubicon in fancy clothes. It is a truly great rig but not really big enough for some things.

If you really want a Jeep Wrangler. I would look at the Gladiator . It is a 4 door Wrangler with an extended wheel base and a p/u bed. If you put a canopy on the back, your would have plenty of room for the dogs and whatever else.

Currently, 4 door Wranglers have the best resale value of any vehicle sold in the US.

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Thank you for the insight!! My boyfriend has a Tahoe and its great but I was thinking that maybe it was too big. Then again, I sometimes make fun of him because it was him and his dobie (also named Tahoe) before and I thought it was silly that he has such a big SUV for just the two of them!

And that's the thought I had with the Wrangler but I wasn't sure if I was just being paranoid.

In all honesty, I'm pretty much open to any SUV just as long as its under 70K and fits all my dogs and is reliable!

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Hi yuki.

My son just bought a new GMC Yukon to haul the kids, the dogs and whatever else. He frequently rents Yukons, Suburbans and Tahoes for out of town work, so he knew what he was getting into. Its the perfect rig for his family an our area.

The down side? Fully loaded, they are quite expensive.

With 3 dogs, I would not get a Wrangler.

We currently have a 10th Anniversary JKUR. That is the 4 door Rubicon in fancy clothes. It is a truly great rig but not really big enough for some things.

If you really want a Jeep Wrangler. I would look at the Gladiator . It is a 4 door Wrangler with an extended wheel base and a p/u bed. If you put a canopy on the back, your would have plenty of room for the dogs and whatever else.

Currently, 4 door Wranglers have the best resale value of any vehicle sold in the US.

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My next vehicle will be a Kia Telluride. It's also a 3 row SUV but has a fantastic warranty.

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I've heard good things about the Telluride! It is on the list of cars to check out as well!

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Well Yuki - We have a Ford 150 - It is a Sport Model = closer to the ground and very easy to load up the Dobers - I use a seat beat harness for the dogs - but getting ready to order the crates to travel with them and depends on which one I go with , there may not be enough room to put 2 back to back in it . We also have a Tahoe - That will have plenty of room to do what I want - but its tall compared to the 150 . One other thing - I also don't like the view out of the Tahoe ! Its hard for me to see out of because of the bucket seats in row 2 - just to many blind spots - Wife said its because I am use to driving a truck - I would like to trade it off for another 4 door Dually - Like John said - the Tahoe is pricey .

I just pulled up the Telluride - Nice looking !
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Even with the proposed addition to the two dogs you already have most of what people have been suggesting are bigger (in my opinion) than you probably need.

Over the years I've been showing dogs I've probably ridden in most of the big rigs up to and including a modified greyhound bus and the one I lust after is a Toyota RAV4. It's easily hold three big dogs and two people.

Since 1983 I've been driving a Toyota Tacoma (actually two of them) with a canopy and I can carry three dogs, crated in the back and one (well behaved) dog in the passenger seat.

Good luck in you search--go to a few dog shows and look at what people are driving--personally I like Toyota most of the models have good reviews for reliability (and I can attest to that--one of my Tacoma's was old enough to vote. And that was with just routine maintenance.

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Bug a Tahoe is to big ? Then I guess you would think this is way to big ! If I was on the road showing this is what we would have to have

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Thank you! I had been toying around with trucks as well but agreed, the space was a concern for me. I do like the Tahoe and I know it can fit four dogs (my boyfriend's dog, my two, and a dog we were watching) so it is definitely one the list. I had no issue with the view but I'm still debating.

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Well Yuki - We have a Ford 150 - It is a Sport Model = closer to the ground and very easy to load up the Dobers - I use a seat beat harness for the dogs - but getting ready to order the crates to travel with them and depends on which one I go with , there may not be enough room to put 2 back to back in it . We also have a Tahoe - That will have plenty of room to do what I want - but its tall compared to the 150 . One other thing - I also don't like the view out of the Tahoe ! Its hard for me to see out of because of the bucket seats in row 2 - just to many blind spots - Wife said its because I am use to driving a truck - I would like to trade it off for another 4 door Dually - Like John said - the Tahoe is pricey .

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Thanks for the suggestion about going to dog shows. The last one I went to was the Colorado Springs one but I can't recall what was in the parking lot. I had looked at the Toyota RAV4 but for some reason, I just wasn't liking the body.....yet I liked the 4Runner.

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Even with the proposed addition to the two dogs you already have most of what people have been suggesting are bigger (in my opinion) than you probably need.

Over the years I've been showing dogs I've probably ridden in most of the big rigs up to and including a modified greyhound bus and the one I lust after is a Toyota RAV4. It's easily hold three big dogs and two people.

Since 1983 I've been driving a Toyota Tacoma (actually two of them) with a canopy and I can carry three dogs, crated in the back and one (well behaved) dog in the passenger seat.

Good luck in you search--go to a few dog shows and look at what people are driving--personally I like Toyota most of the models have good reviews for reliability (and I can attest to that--one of my Tacoma's was old enough to vote. And that was with just routine maintenance.

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Thank you! I had been toying around with trucks as well but agreed, the space was a concern for me. I do like the Tahoe and I know it can fit four dogs (my boyfriend's dog, my two, and a dog we were watching) so it is definitely one the list. I had no issue with the view but I'm still debating.
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Thanks for the suggestion about going to dog shows. The last one I went to was the Colorado Springs one but I can't recall what was in the parking lot. I had looked at the Toyota RAV4 but for some reason, I just wasn't liking the body.....yet I liked the 4Runner.
The 4Runner is a great dog vehicle--I know at least half a dozen Dobe owners that have 4Runners and some of them have had them as long as the 4Runner was originally available.

What can I say--my first 20 years in showing Dobes I was doing it with a VW--so obviously I don't care what the body style looked like. The amazing thing about the VW's was that I could get a full sized take crate into the backseat--and a dog in the well behind the back seat--had to load the dog first but the huge tack crate would load through the door and we looked pretty much like the circus car filled with clown when we unloaded.

I'd have loved a 4Runner but never could afford one--and about the time I got to thinking about replacing the second Tacoma (a 1999 modle) the Rav4 became available. But the 1999 still runs like a top and I'm not showing dogs much any more so I guess I'll just keep driving the truck until the wheels fall off

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for a car that can accommodate 3 dogs and get 1/2 way decent gas mileage, look at the Honda Pilot. I drove 4 wheel drive Ford Expeditions for 13 years and LOVED them, but now that my kids are mostly gone (the youngest is a senior in college), I really did not need the huge gas guzzler anymore. Last December I bought a 2019 Honda Pilot - top of the line with AWD. Other than some issues with the apple play, I really like it a lot.

Fully loaded top of the line Pilot was in the mid $40's..... a new Expedition was going to be $70 - ugh!!

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Oh! Good to know! Also, I tried replying to your PM but for some unknown reason, I'm unable to. I'm convinced that the gremlins are wanting cookies......

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That's what I've been hearing about Toyotas; they are SUPER reliable and durable!

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What can I say--my first 20 years in showing Dobes I was doing it with a VW--so obviously I don't care what the body style looked like. The amazing thing about the VW's was that I could get a full sized take crate into the backseat--and a dog in the well behind the back seat--had to load the dog first but the huge tack crate would load through the door and we looked pretty much like the circus car filled with clown when we unloaded.

I'd have loved a 4Runner but never could afford one--and about the time I got to thinking about replacing the second Tacoma (a 1999 modle) the Rav4 became available. But the 1999 still runs like a top and I'm not showing dogs much any more so I guess I'll just keep driving the truck until the wheels fall off

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Never did consider the Honda Pilot but now I'll definitely have to check it out!

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I would not recommend a Wrangler. My sister has a brand new 4-door Wrangler and she struggles to fit her Lab and GSD in it. There's really not much room inside for the amount of space the overall vehicle occupies.

No joke, she could more easily fit them in the car she traded off for it - a 3-yr old Ford Focus hatchback. The dogs fit and she still had room for gear and luggage.

Doubly unfortunate is that both of her dogs are seniors and really struggle with getting in and out of her Wrangler. The Lab is arthritic and will reluctantly use a ramp, but the GSD won't even use the ramp (probably unsurprisingly, he has some fairly serious hip issues). So, the GSD has to be lifted in and out, which requires my brother-in-law to do it because he's too big for my sister.

Wranglers are attractive but not a car I would personally consider if you have multiple large dogs.

If I were in the market for a primary dog car, I'd probably be looking at Honda Pilots if I wanted an SUV, otherwise I'd be comparing mini vans or station wagons.

The dog car group on Facebook that Rosemary mentioned is a really good reference for how people make various vehicle types work.



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Kelly's family has a newer SUV (2008 Toyota RAV4) and Dad doesn't want to clean nose prints of front windows, on a daily basis:

So I cut the padded shoulder strap off an old & damaged golf bag.
- used the re-purposed harness to restrict girl from jumping into leather bucket seats, at will
- the shoulder harness on junked golf bag, had 4 nylon anchor straps
- 2 straps were threaded around the top head rest posts / other 2 straps (longer) were threaded on the back seat frame brackets, on the floor



I am a vehicle geek - 45 years of collecting/restoring, buying/selling & enjoying the auto world...my brand selection, has been refined to take into account ROI, reliability & long term expenses.
a) I refuse to buy brand new...but finding gems in the private market, is a hobby of mine
b) I won't buy anything from the TOP3 Detroit makers...with the exception of 2003-07c Silverado 4x4 pickups
- I religiously review known problems on makes I interested in...and pick accordingly
c) in SUV's I will only buy Japan makes / but even Honda sourced bad engines from China Motors, and heavy piston ring oil consumption is not covered under warranty
d) So only LEXUS or TOYOTA here in 4x4 or AWD...and v6 better than 4 cyl. turbo.
- son has a 2015 Lexus RX350 v6, he bought new
- wife drives a 2008 RAV4 Limited, v6
- dad drives a 2000 4Runner SR5, v6 // now downgraded for my winter DD'er
- plus I have a good weather truck, Imported into Canada...a mint 2003 Silverado LS, Quadrasteer (with 4 wheel steer) and 4x4 selectable transfer case
e) Gas mileage is important for wife work car, and we use her RAV4 as a family vehicle

So while a $70k budget is awesome, I tend to get the same drive (just older)...for 20 cents on the dollar, nice used.
- few questions to ask / 4Runners are full frame which I like...but likely harder on gas, than a Highlander or Lexus RX350
- for the money, Kia is making some real good vehicles now...I generally don't even consider Ford, most GM's and Chrysler or Jeep anymore.
(just to many faults to chase, if you get a bad one brand new...seems like lots of lemon brands, to avoid)

I don't look for all the bells and whistles, proven designs is what I prefer.
- and power train designs, that will stand the test of time...Engineered for 300k trouble free miles
- Toyota 3.5L v6 and GM Vortec (5.3L, 6.0L and 6.2L) are hard to beat (without Active Fuel Management BS)

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I have an old Toyota Sienna minivan. Plenty of room inside, but it drives like a boat in the snow. No traction and it fishtails with the best (worst?) of them. It's got 180,000 miles on it and is reliable with fairly minimal repairs (just the kind you would expect with its age), but I really wouldn't recommend it for Colorado unless you are in a position where you can just stay home if the weather is bad.

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I recently purchased a used Flex Limited AWD as a dedicated dog vehicle. Since it isn't my daily driver I was a little less concerned about gas mileage and size (although it gets comparable mileage to my Tucson), and the big American boat seats are super comfortable. I kind of feel like I'm swimming in them Anyway, it fits a Variocage double XXL+ behind the second row of seats, leaving the entire second row free for my gear when I travel. I'm not quite at the point that I wanted a cargo van or box truck type setup, and I'm pretty happy with the Flex so far. I have taken it to training a few times and the dogs have no issue getting in the crates. I have transported up to four dogs in it with no issue--the smallest of which was 60 pounds. One side of the crate has a cut-to-size 1/2" yoga mat and the other has a dog bed, both with a quilt over them. I like that if I need to use the vehicle for something not-dog related I have plenty of space for passengers or groceries or whatnot. A good backup vehicle.
ETA I have driven this in our last few snowstorms (I am in the Springs) and have had less issue than my 4wd Tucson, I think in part because of the weight. This thing is great in the snow.
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Thats an awesome set up!
Nice !

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Bug a Tahoe is to big ? Then I guess you would think this is way to big ! If I was on the road showing this is what we would have to have

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Kenny,

That looks a lot like the modified Greyhound I did some traveling in--professional handler rig--used to come up to some of the (at the time) very infrequent multi-day clusters carrying majors in some of the less well known breeds (Rhodesian Ridgeback's for one at that time).

Too big?--since you seem to run to having two dogs max it's probably too big even for you. I know handlers with rigs similar to that one who carry 20 to 30 dogs.

Even Michelle who mostly drove a big commercial type van with a raised top could--if fully loaded carry a dozen adult Dobermans. But driving it was kind of a PITA--if there was any wind at all.

And the gas or diesel rises with the size of the vehicle.

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