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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 10-25-2019, 12:04 PM Thread Starter
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Hello, this is my 1st post so I hope I am in the right place.
I have been in contact with a breeder about a puppy, but I also noticed she has a 2 year old female available.
It would be a "guardian" situaiton where we would have her, but bring her to the breeder for a week to be bred and then 6-7 weeks for the whelping and weaning. After 1-2 litters she would be signed over to us and we would spay her. The breeder would assume all costs assocaited with breeding.
She has offered a reference as well from a previous guardian relationship.
Has anyone done this before and have any advice?
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Welcome from Florida.....
I have no experience with this.....but others members do........hold tight they will chime in soon........some are still working ......
so you will have alot more intel by tomorrrow, for sure.

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Who is the breeder? That is a little bit of an unusual situation. Generally the breeder would breed the bitch, be done, then sell/place her in a pet home. Another common situation is you buy a puppy, the breeder finishes the puppy's championship (or you and the breeder hire a handler to do it) then the breeder gets her back to have a litter.

This situation to me sounds like the breeder doesn't just want an extra mouth to feed until they breed her...
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Who is the breeder? That is a little bit of an unusual situation. Generally the breeder would breed the bitch, be done, then sell/place her in a pet home. Another common situation is you buy a puppy, the breeder finishes the puppy's championship (or you and the breeder hire a handler to do it) then the breeder gets her back to have a litter.

This situation to me sounds like the breeder doesn't just want an extra mouth to feed until they breed her...
Also while she's incubating. Those time lines sound like they're only planning to take her back when she's almost ready to whelp.


Have you had anything to do with dog breeding and pregnancies? Do you know the breeder personally?

I've heard of breeders who have large kennels and do this almost as a regular practice on a large scale, but I don't think most reputable breeders would want to set up this kind of system unless they know the buyer well, either personally or through a network, and feel confident that their girl will be treated well and responsibly during the whole process. (I don't mean to say that you won't...just that the breeder would want to be absolutely sure...can they do that without really knowing you???) Otherwise the breeder might feel like they're taking an awful chance with their precious breeding stock.

I'm not a breeder though...let's see what others say.

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Hello, this is my 1st post so I hope I am in the right place.
I have been in contact with a breeder about a puppy, but I also noticed she has a 2 year old female available.
It would be a "guardian" situaiton where we would have her, but bring her to the breeder for a week to be bred and then 6-7 weeks for the whelping and weaning. After 1-2 litters she would be signed over to us and we would spay her. The breeder would assume all costs assocaited with breeding.
She has offered a reference as well from a previous guardian relationship.
Has anyone done this before and have any advice?
This is a scheme used by a lot of large scale breeders. They get the advantage of having access to a breedable bitch without the day to day cost of money and time taking care of her. Some of them (like Kimertal) breed hundreds of puppies a year this way.
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This is a scheme used by a lot of large scale breeders. They get the advantage of having access to a breedable bitch without the day to day cost of money and time taking care of her. Some of them (like Kimertal) breed hundreds of puppies a year this way.
That's EXACTLY who came to mind for me as well!

I wouldn't be ok with this situation for many reasons:
1. I assume you wouldn't do any health testing, nor would they yet they ALREADY know they want to breed her?
2. I assume you have no plans to show or compete with the puppy yet they ALREADY know they want to breed her?
3. Breeding takes a lot out of bitch (she could die), so you're going to pay for her, raise her, love her and then they are going to take her from you to be bred and have puppies??? And then sign her over? What if they change their mind and they don't hand her back over or sign her over? Do you have the money to get a lawyer? Even if you win in court YOU still have to PAY the lawyer ahead of time and then WAIT to see if they EVER pay you.

I have heard of breeders requiring a puppy or two back from a show bitch and in that instance they will whelp the litter for the bitch's owner. But the bitch is in both of their names and it boils down to if the bitch is a champion and if all of her health testing comes back ok.

The situation sounds like something I would personally walk away from (or run rather). You can find good breeders on www.dpca.org under the breeder referral section.

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As for me...once I take ownership of a dog...its mine..........I trust no one other than my husband to care for my dogs.
When dogs stay with strangers ....you have no idea what's really happening to them ...yes maybe they are just fine......but then again maybe not.........
If I cannot be with my dog.........dog only stays with my husband.
I would find a puppy from a reputable breeder...........it's worth it in the long run plus you can ensure your puppy remains healthy and happy.

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The first thing that popped into my mind was Kimberthal. Who is the breeder?
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