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post #1 of 38 (permalink) Old 10-12-2019, 07:36 AM Thread Starter
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Traveling with your Dober ?

Good morning everybody - Doc has a question --- So how do you travel with your dogs ? Meaning - What do you use to keep them and you safe ? I have been using a seatbelt harness to hold Mr. B in - I also have - sorry cant remember the name right now - it fits over the back seat and goes to the back of the front seats - to keep them from falling into the well ( where your feet go ) At first - I thought this was the ticket - yet now - I hate it , Mr. B will stand up to look around and if I have to slow down some - he will fall down - I also don't like the idea of the point of attachment -which If I did have to stop very quick - it would hurt his neck or back - I'm afraid .

I have a 4 door pickup + a Tahoe full size - plenty of room - and when our new little girl finds her way here ( someday ) I want them to be total safe - We would like to head South for the weather and I need to get my ducks in a row now , lol

So what does everybody use ? MC - G-Red - 79 - Spocksdad I know you 4 travel a lot .

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Bacc and I traveled every weekend and he was loose in the back of the Transit. He would sleep the entire way. The Baccie Bus was a Ford Transit Connect.
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We have a 4 door f150......we flip up the rear seats.....Hoss’s large bed is placed on the truck floor........he also sleeps most of the time.
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Yeah you need a Mr. Business bus..........
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We have an Escape and an Explorer...when we go to the park or anywhere else local, Mocha goes in the back cargo area of the Escape and (mostly) lays down. For longer trips, like down to Florida, we take the Explorer and put the 3rd row seats down and put one of the big dog beds back there and the gang lays down and sleep most of the trip.
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There seems to be a pattern here....are you picking up the pattern Doc ?

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You could rent a motor home........that would be comfy.
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I have my choice of driving a 2002 Ford Taurus or a 2002 Lincoln Towncar. The dogs and I both prefer the Lincoln. Leo and Lily are in the back seat, wearing harnesses that are then attached to the car's seat belts. Our next vehicle will be something I can put crates in.
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My dobemobile is a Toyota Sienna. Most of the time these days Nadia and Vanya travel crated. It is the safest way in the case of an accident. On rare occasion Nadia will be loose in the car however since it is a minivan the car has a 'floor' she can stand or lay on depending on need.
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Dogs crated, 100% of the time. If I could swing it, I'd upgrade to safer crates (like Ruff Tuff kennels) but I wouldn't be able to see around them, so I use wire crates. I've known too many people that have had even minor car accidents where dogs have been ejected from the car and killed or seriously injured to not travel with them crated.
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For nearly all of the years that I showed dogs my dogs have been crated. Only the first dog wasn't and that was so long ago that only professional handlers really had crates and vehicles big enough to accommodate them.

You go to even one year of shows outside of you home area an you hear and sometimes see enough horrible accidents involving a loose dog where the dog turned into a projectile in an accident which either killed the dog or the front seat passenger (and sometimes both).

The first year I was showing (1960) I was driving a VW Bug--my dog, the Doberman rode in the rear well--just fit him. My friends Great Dane got the back seat. The flowing year I had my first crate--and while it often didn't fit in much larger vehicles you could (just) get into the back seat. My Doberman rode in the crate and my friends Bassett rode in the well.

Later I drove Toyota Tacoma's with a canopy and it would fit a 400 crate, a 300 crate (the Aussie or if I had a Dobe puppy after the Aussie had gone where the good dogs go--that's who got the 300 crate. And in a pinch I could put a 500 crate in crosswise at the back and the best behaved dog rode up front with me--I was never very comfortable with that arrangement though. Too big a possibility of a dog getting really hurt in an accident.

The seat belt harnesses are better than nothing but even good travelers who tend to quietly sleep most of the way are at risk in accidents.

I don't travel with dogs (and if I go the dogs go) if I can't restrain or crate them.

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The flowing year I had my first crate....

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We just drove from MA to the Nationals in Kansas and back, 4 days each way. Our dog vehicle is a Honda Odyssey with all rear seating removed (both rows). We have airline crates that we use in it and also a variocage. We can fit up to 4 crates in it. The advantage is that the dogs can also be crated in the van during agility classes and trials, provided that the weather is not too hot.
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Regular driving to a place, like my MIL's? Seat belted. If we went to a dog event? Crated in the back seat to keep her contained.

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When you guys speak of the 500 series crates for auto travel, are they the wire crates or the plastic?
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Doc, some good advice from dog showing members above.

We use Midwest 36" SUV crates which are 20"w and will fit side-by-side into our Odyssey or Escape with last row seating folded flat. They are 26" Ht.

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I'll admit, we don't always crate the Dobes on short trips (e.g. school visits), but if they are wearing harnesses, can pass shoulder strap through harness top handle to keep them tethered to seats.

Since Spock & Eva are getting older and I'm now using 2006 Escape, which is higher than previous Civic, got a folding car ramp which is now in use. Both Spock and Eva are now experts at using ramp.


Folding Car Ramp for Aging Spock & Eva





Here's where I buy harnesses for Spock & Eva for $45, made in Israel, shipped via USPS, arrive in 9-days to TX. Has top, side & front attachments:

Spock Wearing H17 Multipurpose Harness- ForDogTrainers.com




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A BIG thanks Spocksdad ! That's the ticket right there ! And thanks for everybody else too .

As I said - We plan to travel some and was looking for the right crate and just what you Pros use and do !

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When you guys speak of the 500 series crates for auto travel, are they the wire crates or the plastic?
Technically speaking a 500 crate is an extra large Varikennel. They came in 100 (small), 200 (medium), 300 (intermediate), 400 (large) and 500 (extra large), and 700 (giant). Now, if someone refers to a crate as a "500 size", they generally mean that it has roughly the same dimensions as a size 500 Varikennel (40" x 27" x 30"), no matter if it's wire, plastic, or aluminum.

On the other hand, wire crates are generally called by the length from the front wall to the back wall, like a 36" crate, or a 42" crate.
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Thank you Rosemary. Just curious if a wire crate vs a plastic crate is better for automobile travel?
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I'm of the opinion of "do the best you can". Ideally, every dog would ride in a crash tested crate, but a seatbelt is still better than loose in the car. There is a group on Facebook called Dog Sports Vehicles (that's close, anyway) that has a ton of information about crates.
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Yup, the older you get, the more the years flow by.

I'm still not used to writing 2019 on my checks.
Mel likes to find my type's, grammatical errors and misspellings which sometimes equal Kenny's.

I spotted that one Mel, just too late to edit it. I just wondered if it was going to be you or Lady Di who pointed it out.

Ah well, I'll just do what Kenny does--if one of you guys can figure out what I might have meant it's good enough for me.

Gotta' go stire the chicken tortilla soup...

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Thank you Rosemary for the short course in crates and comparable sizing. It sometimes escapes me that not everyone has been buying, looking at and comparing crates as long as I have.

My very first crate was a hideously expensive Airbourne tack crate (a Christmas present from my folks.. All aluminum, with a rubber top (like grooming tables have) and a bracket to attach a grooming arm. They were bullet proof and were what Airlines used to require to ship dogs in. I had it for many years until a garage I shared with several people caught fire and burned to the ground taking with it a lot of memories, that tack crate and some trophies that I sure hated to loose.

The plastic crates that I've listed as not 100 200, 300 etc but thijgs like 3.75 are manufactured by compaies other than VariKennel and are slightly larger than or slightly smaller than more or less equivalent sizes in VariKennels.

My 500 wire crate is a Midwest and is another crate that is heavier gage metal than most wire crates you could buy today but I've had it.for ummm-25 tears, The 400 that is always in the truck (Toyota Tacoma canopy) is almost 30 years old and the 300 (which also always lives in the truck)--it and the 400 just fit at the front end of the canopy and I can get a 500 crossways at the back.

Wire crates are the least protective. but better than harnesses or dogs loose. The plastic crates vary but unless they aren't fastened down most of tem will hold up through some pretty bad accidents.

If you go hunting you can find ratings for various manufacturers crates and there are some plastic ones that are rated as nearly bullet proof.

Good luck you guys--knock on wood in all of the traveling I've done to shows since 1960 I've never had an accident--but I've sure seen some. And my very first dog was in a really bad one and he was riding in a 500 Varikennel--his breeder/co-owner was hospitalized for months, my dog and two other were spilled out of the vehicle (a station wagon as I recall--and none of the thee dogs were badly hurt. Thank heavens a following vehicle was another dog show person and thank heavens was someone who knew my dog--he was able to get him out of the crate and put him in a spare crate in his vehicle and get him back to Seattle to his handlers home. The other two dogs weren't Dobes but were small breeds--they just got transferred in their crates to yet another dog show persons car and taken back to Seattle.

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Mel likes to find my type's, grammatical errors and misspellings which sometimes equal Kenny's.

I spotted that one Mel, just too late to edit it. I just wondered if it was going to be you or Lady Di who pointed it out.

Ah well, I'll just do what Kenny does--if one of you guys can figure out what I might have meant it's good enough for me.

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