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I am looking for a doberman line of strong health, confirmation ( original that Karl Friedrich Louis Dobermann was creating) medium and muscular, not huge great dane size, smart, naturally loyal and protective for it's family. I have had dobermans off and non since the 70's. I have met dobermans that let anyone and everyone pet them, like a beagle, I don't want that, I want one that is reserved, discerning, and obedient. I will desire a pup 7-10 weeks, as I have a vet to do the ears as I desire.
I prefer Schutzhund proven ancestry.

I have a year to research so starting the process. Thank you for any input.
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Hi and welcome to DT. We are glad to have you and glad you are doing research before buying! Most reputable breeders let their puppies go to their new homes at 10-12 weeks with their ears already cropped and healed (or mostly healed). The ear cropping should never be the responsibility of the new owner.
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I would suggest you contact your local DPCA chapter club, and start attending shows or competitions, so you can meet dogs and breeders in person. The only way you can really get a sense of the temperaments of the dogs is to meet them in person, especially given the specifics of what you're looking for. You may want to look for some working competitions - IPG (formerly Schutzhund/IPO), French Ring, that kind of thing, and conformation shows. There's a range of temperaments, from a more outgoing dog to those more reserved with strangers.

As GK said, I haven't heard of many good breeders that would let you use your own vet for cropping.
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Hello,

I am looking for a doberman line of strong health, confirmation ( original that Karl Friedrich Louis Dobermann was creating) medium and muscular, not huge great dane size, smart, naturally loyal and protective for it's family. I have had dobermans off and non since the 70's. I have met dobermans that let anyone and everyone pet them, like a beagle, I don't want that, I want one that is reserved, discerning, and obedient. I will desire a pup 7-10 weeks, as I have a vet to do the ears as I desire.
I prefer Schutzhund proven ancestry.

I have a year to research so starting the process. Thank you for any input.
I desire a million dollars but that's not going to happen. May I advise you that if you approach breeders stating as you did above you won't find many that actually care about their dogs that will sell to you. All I'm hearing in the above is "I want", "I desire", basically I demand this... These puppies are OUR babies first, you need to sell yourself to me. What do you offer that makes you special enough to own one of my babies? I poured my heart, sweat, time and tears into raising and caring for the parents, and now I've done the same for the babies, don't tell me what you desire and want, tell me what you can do for my puppy.

Finding Doberman with strong health, conformation and a Schutzhund ancestry will be difficult. Trust me, this I know VERY lol. I'm constantly on the search for that unicorn. "(original that Karl Friedrich Louis Dobermann was creating)" I don't even know what this means, do you? I actually know the original standard and You're not going to find that anywhere. It's not part of any current standard anywhere. Dobermans were first built to be the size of Mals and that hasn't been a thing for probably 60 years or more. Do you know what health testing you should be looking for? Do you know how to research pedigrees?

Also, if you want a dog that you likely can't take anywhere then you can find a hard core working dog. Once again I would search the UDC directory online. Masaya has great working dogs, Landgraf has wonderful dogs. Swift runs has some nice working dogs with decent temperaments. I know Savannah Langdon has a working litter on the ground. The problem is it's a slippery slope when you're looking for temperament to not get more than what you hoped for. Also, that type of temperament comes with the energy of an energizer bunny that when not worked can become very destructive. My male is a dog that's aloof to most people, not aggressive, he'll come up and sniff them but he just doesn't care. He's more protective than most. My female loves everyone. I can take her anywhere, whereas I can't take him everywhere. She's also very guarded when she needs to be, I have no doubt she will pass any temperament test and she's looking like a great IGP prospect.

In most states breeders can't sell puppies before 8 weeks. You won't likely find a breeder in conformation that will let a puppy go uncropped to be done by another vet and if they do you can bank you're getting the puppy with the most faults. It sounds like maybe you haven't owned a Doberman in a while. As suggested above, I'd go to some dog shows, meet some breeders, maybe call and talk to the breeders above. I can only go based on what you said above but it sounds like you have a lot to learn about the breed.

Good luck and be careful, there's a lot of craptastic breeders out there.
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I would suggest you contact your local DPCA chapter club, and start attending shows or competitions, so you can meet dogs and breeders in person. The only way you can really get a sense of the temperaments of the dogs is to meet them in person, especially given the specifics of what you're looking for. You may want to look for some working competitions - IPG (formerly Schutzhund/IPO), French Ring, that kind of thing, and conformation shows. There's a range of temperaments, from a more outgoing dog to those more reserved with strangers.

As GK said, I haven't heard of many good breeders that would let you use your own vet for cropping.
It's IGP. I kept messing this up at first since it feels like they change the name every other year. I remember it as "I Got Paws".
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It's IGP. I kept messing this up at first since it feels like they change the name every other year. I remember it as "I Got Paws".
Yeah, I know...typo
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I kept messing this up at first since it feels like they change the name every other year.


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Hello,

I am looking for a doberman line of strong health, confirmation ( original that Karl Friedrich Louis Dobermann was creating) medium and muscular, not huge great dane size, smart, naturally loyal and protective for it's family. I have had dobermans off and non since the 70's. I have met dobermans that let anyone and everyone pet them, like a beagle, I don't want that, I want one that is reserved, discerning, and obedient. I will desire a pup 7-10 weeks, as I have a vet to do the ears as I desire.
I prefer Schutzhund proven ancestry.

I have a year to research so starting the process. Thank you for any input.
Probably you should look a little more carefully into the dog that Herr Dobermann was beginning to create--it didn't really look a whole lot like the Doberman of today or of 1970. Herr Goller was the breeder who actually fully developed the Doberman as the dog we know today. Louis Doberman was breeding probably more for a specific type of temperament rather than looks. Ultimately that temperament and some of the other features of his early dogs were incorporated into the dogs who are describes in the first German Standard (1899) and later when that standard was used as the original AKC standard.

However--aside from that I've had Dobermns since 1959. And I've had everything from soup to nuts. I've had very sharp dogs who were not at all friendly to strangers but since I showed them all in conformation they were all accustomed to being polite about being approached (with permission) and petted. Many of them were extroverts and delighted to meet strangers (and be petted) but even the most "friendly" of my Dobes was very willing to be picky about people (not always strangers) who they met under uncommon situations (in the back yard in the middle of the night or in the vacant lot where they were being exercised after the end of a dog show).

I've never had a Dobe who was even close to Great Dane size. I've had males as small as under 27" and three males that were 28-1/2". But they were all quick and agile and protective. And all of my conformation dogs have also had performance titles--they were all easily trained and very bright dogs. Some were very bold and would have made good protection candidates but were never trained as protection dogs--what I got was what was natural to them.

If you are looking for a dog with Schutzhund ancestery (Schutzhund was superceded some while back by IPO and most recently is now called IGP) you should probably be looking at UDC (United Doberman Club) breeders although there are several AKC breeders who have bred dogs who were titled in what used to be Schutzhund.

Good luck on your search--personally I prefer to have a puppy at least 10 weeks old--their temperaments tend to be more fully developed by then but beware of breeders who will actually let you have a 7 week old puppy. Most of the US state regulations make it illegal for puppies to be sold earlier than 8 weeks.

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Gretchen Red and Dobebug said about everything that needs to be said. You may not have meant to sound like a unicorn seeking totally unknown quantity, but that is how you came off. If you want a puppy from a really good reputable breeder of either show Dobermans OR working Dobermans, you need to start with information about you and what you plan on doing with a Doberman and what you bring to the breed.
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I am looking for my next dobe as well. You should talk to Mitch at Feverhaus. He gives the owner the choice with regards to ear cropping. I believe he has dogs that perform in Schutzhund as well.


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