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Ears are floppy at 4 months old

Just got a European doberman from overseas and the breeder didn't tape his ears because of a wound. His ears have been not taped for 2 weeks and now they're floppy. Was wondering if his ears will still stand or did those 2 weeks ruined it?
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Hi Peter and welcome from the Pacific NW!

So I have one word for you: Post

Read this:https://www.dobermantalk.com/ear-cro...acker-rod.html

IMO... The best contemporary tutorial on Doberman ear posting, by DT Member and Moderator greenkouki.

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I guess first of all I should ask....have they actually been cropped; how old was he when that was done? It sounds silly to ask, but his ears do have to have been surgically cut to the right shape and length for them to be able to stand at all. There are places in Europe that do not regularly crop their dobermans. (Some folks don't know that)

You've got a pretty good chance to get them to stand. I'd start posting, definitely plan on posting for 3 months or so and see how they look at that point.

Of course, it is an individual thing; it depends on the puppy, the shape and length of the crop, if any of the ear is standing at all at this point and how (saggy tips, crease or bend in lower ear, etc.)

We have a tutorial on what we think is the best/easiest way to post ears:
https://www.dobermantalk.com/ear-cro...acker-rod.html

I see 4X4 beat me to posting the link for you.

I want to emphasize that you only leave the ears down between posting for half an hour or so before you put them back up. Don't leave them down, even if they look like they're standing on their own, to see if they will stay up. Just keep posting until he is about 6 1/2 or 7 months old, and then see where you are.

Also come here with any questions you may have--there's lots of knowledgeable folks here on all aspects of dobe raising, including ears and posting difficulties.

AND.....where are your pictures????? Welcome to DT.
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He was cropped at 11 weeks.


Here is my boy:


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Welcome to DT. Have the stitches been removed? Where is the wound?
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He's cute. Now I want a puppy.

Just asking questions about whether stitches are removed and whether his ears are completely healed (all pink skin, no scabs) either from the cropping or his wound....because you never want to put tape across any open cuts, sores, scabs, stitches, irritated skin....that is just asking for an infection to happen.
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In the last few pictures it looks to me like the stitches have been removed. They look to be healed, so if you see no remaining scabs then no, it is not too late for those ears to be posted to stand.
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The wound outside happened about 2 weeks ago and seems to be healed. (The breeder told me he used the wrong tape) The one on the inside happened yesterday when my brother was taking off tapes, he said there was little bit of blood on the inside.



We had taped him 3 or 4 times since he arrived because he kept scratching and shaking his head which made the rods come out of the ear. Should I tape his ears tonight since I can go around the wound or should I leave his ears for another week or so? I don't want his ears to be floppy for another whole week but also don't want to damage the ear.
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That should be easy. Just tape the rest of the ear but avoid that spot or any similar spots, until healed. If you go on the top of this sub forum there are a few how to's for posting ears, one of them I wrote. That would be a good starting point for you. But post them for sure!
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Also use a tape removal product like Unisolve, or even mineral oil, to help dissolve the glue so it won't pull when you try to remove the tape.

"How to: Gently Remove Ear Posts"
https://www.dobermantalk.com/ear-cro...ear-posts.html

An extra little tidbit about this tutorial--The puppy modeling these taping procedures (both the how to post one given above and this one about post removal) is an AKC champion now. Post #19 in this thread shows him all grown up:
https://www.dobermantalk.com/show-ri...-champion.html
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I applied quadritop ointment to the ears and the wound so that he would stop itching and later posted the ears. Hopefully, he won't take them off during the night. Here are some pictures:



I will try to apply mineral oil when removing the tapes next time. Thank you for the suggestions.
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He took one off this morning. Again!
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Try putting the tape a bit lower down and it will help keep the post in his ear. Be sure you are stretching the ear up and squeezing it firmly onto the post before taping. I would probably put a piece of tape in the middle of the ear too.
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One of the very common reasons that puppies try to remove posts is that the post itself has not been inserted all the way to the bottom of the ear and can move around--this provides a real irritant--if the post is placed so that it goes all the way to the bottom of the ear (you can't get it too far down because the canal takes a right angle turn to get to the ear drum--twist the post a little while inserting it. Start the taping of the ear to the post as far down as possible and while you are putting in the first wrap of tape push the back edge of the ear toward the front--this narrows the opening between back and front edges of the cropped ear and makes it much harder to dislodge. I'm dial up so I haven't seen the pictures yet but it sounds like you are only putting wraps of tape at the top and bottom of the ear--I'd sure recommend that the tape be applied at least to the top, middle and bottom and start the posting with the bottom wrap of tape.

Good luck--when you are taping, if you have raw spots, scabby areas be sure you are taping above them and not over them.

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I agree with Bug - stretch the ear up tight and you can almost "screw" the posts down into the ear...with the shape of the ear canal you can't get the post into it, so you won't hurt the ear. That will make sure the post is really set down as far into the ear as it can go so they don't shift around.

The only other thing I'd say is just be sure your tape isn't tight on the ear. It's tempting to make it tight to help hold the posts in, but it won't do that, and it just risks cutting off circulation to the ear and damaging the ears badly. You really only need to lay the tape gently across the ear and then sort of squeeze it together. I like zonas tape or the low tack coach tape. It's just sticky enough to stay on but not so sticky it's too hard to get back off the ear.

I'm wondering from the photo if you're putting the posts above the little "bump" inside the ear, and that's why they aren't going deep enough? It's hard to tell, but you don't want them resting on that part of the ear, if that makes sense....


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