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My application was accepted and I was voted in unanimously.
I'm so thrilled and excited and proud to be part of my national breed club. I hope to continue promoting, preserving and defending the interests of this magnificent breed.

With this said, I was looking over the membership package. The breed description "The Doberman Pinscher" prepared by the Doberman Pinscher Club of Canada as well as "The Doberman Pinscher" by Frank H. Grover as well as "The Usefulness of the Doberman Pinscher" were quite moving. Also a bit saddening. Some things have changed a lot since these were first written.

One notable description is the size - "The adult male in the peak of condition weighs
sixty-five to seventy-five pounds. So compact is its structure, so dense the laying on of
muscle under the short coat, and so elegant and well chiseled the outline that the novice
would probably underestimate the weight by fifteen to twenty pounds."

there has been a sizeable increase (punintended) in the size of the breed over the last 50 years I always knew they had started out smaller than today but I didn't realize that the huge leap happened from the 60s to today. One thing however that remains is the majesty and nobility of this breed.
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I came across the 1935 AKC standard somewhere (from a post here, maybe?), this is what it says.

The Doberman Pinscher is a dog of good medium size, square in proportion as viewed from the side. The height measured on a perpendicular line from the top of the withers to the ground, should equal the length, measured horizontally from the forechest or the sternum, to the outer edge of the upper thigh. Permissible height at the shoulder, dogs, 24 to 27 inches; bitches, 23 to 25 inches. Compactly built, muscular and powerful, denoting great endurance and speed.

These are the current standards:
FCI:
Height at withers : Males : 68 – 72 cm. (26.77 – 28.35 in.)
Bitches : 63 – 68 cm. (24.80 – 26.77 in.)
Medium size desirable.
Weight : Males : about 40 – 45 kg. (88.18 – 99.21 lb.)
Bitches : about 32 – 35 kg. (70.55 – 77.16 lb.)

AKC:
Height at the withers: Dogs 26 to 28 inches, ideal about 27 1/2 inches; Bitches 24 to 26 inches, ideal about 25 1/2 inches. The height, measured vertically from the ground to the highest point of the withers, equaling the length measured horizontally from the forechest to the rear projection of the upper thigh. Length of head, neck and legs in proportion to length and depth of body.

CKC :
Size Height at withers—males 26 to 28 inches, ideal 27½ inches (70 cm); females 24 to 26 inches, ideal 25½” (65 cm). Males, decidedly masculine, without coarseness. Females, decidedly feminine, without over-refinement. Deviation from ideal height to be penalized in proportion to the amount of deviation.


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Interesting that the CKC standard specifies to penalize height that doesn't fit the standard while the AKC standard does not. That certainly explains a few things and conflicting information or statements I've had from fanciers over the years.
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Congratulations Artemas!

Here's a little piece of memory lane for you and Rosemary about size. Size comes and goes with a breed with a range of height that does not carry a disqualification by measurement.

I've been in the breed a long time--long enough to see the size range cycle from smaller to larger and back agains several time.

I started showing Dobes in 1960 with my first Dobe--at maturity he was 28-1/2 inches, sqare and in show condition he weight 90 pounds. I showed him as a class dog and his breeder showed him for a good many years as a special. He finished his Canadian Championship at 8 months and his AKC championship at 14 months. At that time he was the smallest male in for Best of Breed. He continued to be the smallest male for about three years and then all of the males were more or less 28 inches, give or take a 1-1/2" or so. He wasn't retired until he was over 7 and by then he was nearly the smallest male in for Best of Breed.

One of the top winning male Dobermans was a Marks Tey bred dog who was very small (and I'm not going to quote size here because I can't find the citation but a bitch from the same era, Ch Kay Hills Paint the Town Red (who is described in that book as medium size--not quite accurate since the Canadian and AKC standards cite bitch size as 24 to 26 inches with 25-1/2 as preferred.

And I stood at ringside gawking at a bitch who was stunning and bigger than any male in the ring--she won--and deserved to win and did a lot more winning both in the ring and later as a brood bitch--but lordie, was she a big girl.

My only point is the size goes up and size goes down--it doesn't just keep going up. And good Dobermans finish their championships regardless of size. My first Dobe and the dog who will probably be my last dog were both 28-1/2 inxhwa--in show weight they were both 90 pounds. In between those two one of my male Champions was barely 27 inches and weight 78 pounds when he was showing in conformation.

The only thing those dogs had in common was the breeding behind them and the fact that if you took a picture of any of them without background to compare their size--who'd have a really hard time guessing size.

The fact is that the gene pool that produced todays Doberman had some small dogs in it and big dogs in it--and they show up in the range you see at any given time.

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Dobebug, I don't think I can ever fully express the level of appreciation I have for your presence on this forum... but just know that I do. I really enjoy it.
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Dobebug, I don't think I can ever fully express the level of appreciation I have for your presence on this forum... but just know that I do. I really enjoy it.
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And thank you Artemis--I'm Ma's "prolix" partner--and since I've been taking gabapentin for my sciatica I can put parenthesis in but I don't remember to close them and I evidently no long know the difference between Weight and weighed--big DUH!

But really--it was my many dogs over 60 years of them who provided the framework for what ends up on DT.

Glad you enjoy it and the dogs would like that too if they knew--they were mostly pretty bright dogs and it wouldn't take them long to figure out being glad would get them a treat.

And thank you and even Beau who sometimes thinks I pick on Canadians--I spent a fair amount of time going to Canadian dog shows and loved them and the people I met there and the food I ate at the dog shows--it was a lot better than what we got at the AKC shows. And come to think of it when I showed my first couple of dogs in Canada the exchange rate was greatly in Canada's favor.

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