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I love that picture.

So often the messed up photos are the ones you treasure.

Like this one...brings back so many memories of Kip and Capri's "special" relationship.
I agree - I do like the blurry one

And your photo does bring a smile to my face The eyes appear to have blue color to them.
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I agree - I do like the blurry one

And your photo does bring a smile to my face The eyes appear to have blue color to them.
Yeah, I don't know how that happened. Maybe our camera expert can tell us.
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Big congrats on Mila, she is a pretty girl.
- I felt the unconditional canine Love, in your writing modm, its was a treasure to read

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Random thoughts:

This may sound against the grain, but I train for a small degree of Seperation Anxiety.
- build a bond, that the dog is always in you eyesight
- so the reverse is true / build a bond, that the dog humans is always in their eyesight

So what does this mean, dad goes out in the rain, so dobe will go out.
- dad goes in the backyard, dog goes in the backyard
- dad goes in the house, dog is right behind
- if I sneak in the house to top up my coffee mug,
- I'll come back to the front door, and dobe is waiting for me, with eyes on the window

Over at sons condo today, dogs on the cedar deck...while water boxes being made.
- men went to the van, to get carpenter tools or something
- without our son in backyard, Kelly went to patio door...for Mom to let in the house

Our dogs are always off leash, and perimeter trained...we on a busy Hwy, but that's no longer a concern.
- to me it doesn't matter, who exits a door first or last / same with steps
- with strong bond building, the dog will like family adults being the Leaders

Kelly was a independent & aggressive puppy, wouldn't even expose her belly...no vulnerable position, of weakness.
- so dad rubbed the bottom of her tail nub, for over a year...a relaxation move
- now she accepts belly rubs

When I was training off leash, without treats...every time she return to my call, she would receive a neck rub.
- this winter I fell on ice and broke my wrist
- now when she is by my side, I give her a spine message, to rehab my wrist
- when I stop, she pokes me with her nose for more
- my hand functions, has really improved since

Kelly carries stuffies to and greets us with them or moms shoe.
- but nothing is ever hurt, all her stuffies have a name
- only hard toys can be chewed, but she out grew them

Our dogs never chase or climb fences // because an adult is always out with dog
- Kelly tried to dig twice at 5 months old, but the bad habit was discouraged
- obviously older dogs are harder to change / but its worth a try

My feeling on crate - if dobe was OK and tested without one, could put it away.
- if dog doesn't sleep in the master bed, its dog bed should be on the floor...beside the bed
- dobes want to be close, to loving masters...always 24/7, makes them feel content
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Big congrats on Mila, she is a pretty girl.
- I felt the unconditional canine Love, in your writing modm, its was a treasure to read

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Random thoughts:

This may sound against the grain, but I train for a small degree of Seperation Anxiety.
- build a bond, that the dog is always in you eyesight
- so the reverse is true / build a bond, that the dog humans is always in their eyesight

So what does this mean, dad goes out in the rain, so dobe will go out.
- dad goes in the backyard, dog goes in the backyard
- dad goes in the house, dog is right behind
- if I sneak in the house to top up my coffee mug,
- I'll come back to the front door, and dobe is waiting for me, with eyes on the window

Over at sons condo today, dogs on the cedar deck...while water boxes being made.
- men went to the van, to get carpenter tools or something
- without our son in backyard, Kelly went to patio door...for Mom to let in the house

Our dogs are always off leash, and perimeter trained...we on a busy Hwy, but that's no longer a concern.
- to me it doesn't matter, who exits a door first or last / same with steps
- with strong bond building, the dog will like family adults being the Leaders

Kelly was a independent & aggressive puppy, wouldn't even expose her belly...no vulnerable position, of weakness.
- so dad rubbed the bottom of her tail nub, for over a year...a relaxation move
- now she accepts belly rubs

When I was training off leash, without treats...every time she return to my call, she would receive a neck rub.
- this winter I fell on ice and broke my wrist
- now when she is by my side, I give her a spine message, to rehab my wrist
- when I stop, she pokes me with her nose for more
- my hand functions, has really improved since

Kelly carries stuffies to and greets us with them or moms shoe.
- but nothing is ever hurt, all her stuffies have a name
- only hard toys can be chewed, but she out grew them

Our dogs never chase or climb fences // because an adult is always out with dog
- Kelly tried to dig twice at 5 months old, but the bad habit was discouraged
- obviously older dogs are harder to change / but its worth a try

My feeling on crate - if dobe was OK and tested without one, could put it away.
- if dog doesn't sleep in the master bed, its dog bed should be on the floor...beside the bed
- dobes want to be close, to loving masters...always 24/7, makes them feel content
Wow thanks Beaumont67 - I echo your sentiments about your canine love.

I am not sure how to train for the separation anxiety. Molly and O.D. we had as pups so seemed natural we grew up as one family. Same as your dogs, if we weren't out with them they were at the back door looking in. If one of us goes out front to get mail or water the flowers....or even if both of us were doing some weeding....you could hear the cries of Molly wanting to be out with us.

Mila is getting that way to a degree - I try to go in stand inside waiting for her to notice....sometimes she comes to the door looking for us. But most of the time....she is still searching for whatever she thinks is out there. But still only a month in and new to her.

Ouch on the breaking of your wrist - had to be a pain trying to do stuff with one hand - glad Kelly helped with the recovery! Ha yeah even Mila is doing that she sits in front of the couch getting petted....stop and immediately her head pops backwards looking over asking for more. We call that a Molly move as she would do that all the time.

With our first 2 girls they slept on either side of the bed. O.D. was typically on my side Molly on my wife's...every once in a while they would swap. So for me when O.D. was gone it was hard....bed wasn't there but the outline on the rug was there.

I see a lot of pictures and discussions about folk's Dobermans on couches or bed - that is one area my wife and I go against the grain...we do not let them on the furniture. Molly, O.D. and even Mila really did not try to get on...so worked out for us

As far as going out the door first - The very first Monday with her, I was going to work, I had my backpack on my lunch box on and trying to maneuver out the door past my wife's giant wreath and telling Mila stay and keeping her coming out the door with my leg. Unfortunately, she bolted out. She ran around the side of the house where the rabbit had ran in front of her and out the side gate. Mila knew which side to go and she made a bee line directly to where she last saw the rabbit. I was afraid she would be gone and couldn't catch her.....

I was a bit scared and honestly ashamed, I had let her out that way - never had happened before....so trying to have her sit and wait to go out the back is a first step to keep her from going out the front.... And while it was nerve wracking trying to catch her - in the back of my brain I was thinking wow she knew where to go and only her second day here.

Crate for me is primarily if we go on vacation or similar. We currently do not crate her while driving nor did we with our previous. For me we were/are just lucky. No accidents and not bolting from back of van/truck. So looking to get a crate she can be in while in vacation homes and driving. I have looked at tons of crates that are engineered for crashes etc...quite costly. But I think a good sturdy crate will be more secure than none? Thoughts on this?

For now when we leave the house and go somewhere we have Mila in our bedroom free....she has not hurt anything. She is even sitting when we open the door. Well just for a moment then it is a ball of excitement.
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Wow thanks Beaumont67 - I echo your sentiments about your canine love.

I am not sure how to train for the separation anxiety. Molly and O.D. we had as pups so seemed natural we grew up as one family. Same as your dogs, if we weren't out with them they were at the back door looking in. If one of us goes out front to get mail or water the flowers....or even if both of us were doing some weeding....you could hear the cries of Molly wanting to be out with us.
modm - you get it and training for SA is kind of a figure of speech, I coined.
- just means, dog always needs to be in same room or within close eyesight, of its human(s)
- that's the kind of needy-ness, I train for // sort of joined at the hip, relationship

Obviously a rescue vs puppy, and bolting out the front door ...is to be expected.
- took weeks to months with our past girls, to stop
- Kelly took a few years, last time she bolted in the dark of night...encountered a skunk at the bird seed (I put out), and not a cute bunny rabbit
- now when we go outside, its kind of the buddy system...if she see a cat in the distance or smells a raccoon in the field...she can bark and tell dad, but must say with me / and she now knows my yell of danger, stops her on the spot

Kisses to Mila, from Canada.
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modm - you get it and training for SA is kind of a figure of speech, I coined.
- just means, dog always needs to be in same room or within close eyesight, of its human(s)
- that's the kind of needy-ness, I train for // sort of joined at the hip, relationship

Obviously a rescue vs puppy, and bolting out the front door ...is to be expected.
- took weeks to months with our past girls, to stop
- Kelly took a few years, last time she bolted in the dark of night...encountered a skunk at the bird seed (I put out), and not a cute bunny rabbit
- now when we go outside, its kind of the buddy system...if she see a cat in the distance or smells a raccoon in the field...she can bark and tell dad, but must say with me / and she now knows my yell of danger, stops her on the spot

Kisses to Mila, from Canada.
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Hmm I have not had to deal with something like a skunk with a dog - that would not be a pleasant surprise!
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Hmm I have not had to deal with something like a skunk with a dog - that would not be a pleasant surprise!
Our first dobie went through a skunk phase where we used to keep a crate of tomato juice on hand. We tried the recommended soaps and figured tomato juice was an old wife's tale but tomato juice applied asap was the only thing that truly worked.
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Our first dobie went through a skunk phase where we used to keep a crate of tomato juice on hand. We tried the recommended soaps and figured tomato juice was an old wife's tale but tomato juice applied asap was the only thing that truly worked.
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Our first dobie went through a skunk phase where we used to keep a crate of tomato juice on hand. We tried the recommended soaps and figured tomato juice was an old wife's tale but tomato juice applied asap was the only thing that truly worked.
We found an amazing product, to combat the skunk smell - link is from Canada, just be aware.
https://www.amazon.ca/Mary-Ellen-Pro...gateway&sr=8-2

^^ AtmosKlear is also great for sewer backup & basement flood damage / used car flippers, use it to remove cig. smell in interiors.

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Amy got sprayed in the face head on, dad thought he saw a black cat until I saw the white stripe...in the dark of night.

Former Amy couldn't sleep in the Master bed / so old blankets went on the sofa / as she wouldn't sleep alone.
- so dad and Amy shared a pillow together / I woke up every 15 minutes, until falling sleep again
- the stink was horrible, sleeping nose to nose with a skunk sprayed Dobe...but dad was responsible sending her after a stripped black cat look-a-like prey
- this was 3:30 in the morning, when she got sprayed
- off to 24 hour store, for tomato juice / helped smell, but not enough
- tried Vet stuff, only with limited results
- the AtmosKlear was incredible stuff, and used it on floors, leather couch, etc.
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We found an amazing product, to combat the skunk smell - link is from Canada, just be aware.
https://www.amazon.ca/Mary-Ellen-Pro...gateway&sr=8-2

^^ AtmosKlear is also great for sewer backup & basement flood damage / used car flippers, use it to remove cig. smell in interiors.

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Amy got sprayed in the face head on, dad thought he saw a black cat until I saw the white stripe...in the dark of night.

Former Amy couldn't sleep in the Master bed / so old blankets went on the sofa / as she wouldn't sleep alone.
- so dad and Amy shared a pillow together / I woke up every 15 minutes, until falling sleep again
- the stink was horrible, sleeping nose to nose with a skunk sprayed Dobe...but dad was responsible sending her after a stripped black cat look-a-like prey
- this was 3:30 in the morning, when she got sprayed
- off to 24 hour store, for tomato juice / helped smell, but not enough
- tried Vet stuff, only with limited results
- the AtmosKlear was incredible stuff, and used it on floors, leather couch, etc.
Good to know. We finally got our yard fenced so hopefully this will never be an issue again but I am definitely bookmarking the link.
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Mila story continues

Had her at the vet Friday - she was good in the reception area. Did not pay much attention to the other dogs at the check out counter.

However, in the exam room she was very nervous hard to exam her. In the end the vet just listened to her heart and left the rest alone. Said we will let her get used to us before pushing to much and getting her even more out of her comfort zone. We did get her weighed - 79.6 lbs....I thought she would be less as she doesn't look as big as our other dogs and they were 80 and 83 at times.

Wanted to get her nails done as, they are getting long, but that wouldn't work. So I will handle her paws even more....maybe get an old nail file and lightly go over her nails so she gets used it. I have been holding her paws some as she would pull them away. Now I can touch and hold without too much trouble. She has a scar running up one paw. So something may have happened.

Mila had her second training session Saturday. I am getting trained very well She is getting along very nicely!

Here are a few pictures of her:

New toy!



And her new bed


She has found the stairs leading up to the sewing room. Till this point she has ignored them.

Mila got up but didn't want to come down....so we ignored her and she found her way back.


Even with the door closed she wants to go up - but gets stuck. My wife went to look for her and here she was
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Moe, Thanks for the Mila update with the pictures.

She looks well acclimated in her new home. Spock loves going up/down stairs like the running of the bulls... since we normally have upstairs baby-gated off.

Here's a perma-link to a Dremel nail thread which I posted using my favorite Dremel Micro w/LED light. If you want an even quieter model, the Dremel Stylo sold at HD is almost silent. I use it on our little Lanah as she is squirmy when it comes to nail time.

https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberma...ml#post3996945


With the Dobes, I just heard them into the laundry room with my Dremel Micro, treats, Gold bond lotion then just Gitter' Done ! (reduces micro-dust spread around house) Eva loves nail treatments (because of treats) and Spock just tolerates now, no resistance, just not the happiest camper... When nail treatment is over, Spock runs "The Zoomies" throughout the house, after he is liberated from the torture! (I'll have a video to post soon)
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Moe, Thanks for the Mila update with the pictures.

She looks well acclimated in her new home. Spock loves going up/down stairs like the running of the bulls... since we normally have upstairs baby-gated off.

Here's a perma-link to a Dremel nail thread which I posted using my favorite Dremel Micro w/LED light. If you want an even quieter model, the Dremel Stylo sold at HD is almost silent. I use it on our little Lanah as she is squirmy when it comes to nail time.

https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberma...ml#post3996945


With the Dobes, I just heard them into the laundry room with my Dremel Micro, treats, Gold bond lotion then just Gitter' Done ! (reduces micro-dust spread around house) Eva loves nail treatments (because of treats) and Spock just tolerates now, no resistance, just not the happiest camper... When nail treatment is over, Spock runs "The Zoomies" throughout the house, after he is liberated from the torture! (I'll have a video to post soon)
Thanks for the info, spocksdad! Early on I would cut Molly and O.D. nails but they were not happy campers either. Plus I was always worried I would cut to deep. So we just let the professionals do it But I could try with the Dremel and the bit you mentioned. Is this the Dremel you use? https://smile.amazon.com/Dremel-8050...gateway&sr=8-4

I can just picture Spock running with the bulls and zoomies
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Thanks for the pictures ! Like S.D. said . Looks like she is pretty much at home
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For a few weeks now, a strange reaction from Mila. I thought she would grow out of but hasn't.

When I come home from work in my uniform, she seems almost afraid....not quite but her tail tucks a bit. But once I change out all is good again. Tail happy ready for hugs, petting and some spins. I still have the T-shirt on and I haven't showered so the "work smell" should still be on.

Is it the uniform or the length of time I have been gone? Thinking of this weekend just putting on a uniform for the day....would that help or at least narrow down what she is unhappy about?
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Dogs are generally more comfortable having their nails dremeled than having them clipped. Dremels don't seem to pinch or squeeze the nails the way clippers do; you can get a nice smooth edge to the nail; it's much easier to avoid hitting the quick. But they do make noise and vibrate the nail as they grind it, so you have to go slow introducing one.



I pulled up this old post to give you a little intro to the process:

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Here's a nail trimming demo we put together a long time ago. I really recommend using a dremel...it's easier to control how much of the nail you are taking off and you can get a rounded smooth nail instead of one with sharp edges.

https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberma...nstration.html

Here's another. I had asked for a picture of the underside of the dog's nail, because that's how I tell how much to take off. See post #21
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberma...ch-dremel.html (Unfortunately, this is an old post, so some of the links to pictures don't work anymore, but the picture on post 21 is still there, fortunately.)

This about how to get your dog used to a dremel:
"Just take it slow...depending on what she will allow...you may even need to start with rubbing it all over her with the motor off. Then with the motor on, but just somewhere in the room at a distance, then touching a nail for a second or too, then grinding one nail, then a whole foot and so on.

And of course, lots and lots of treats---sometimes even after every toenail when you get to the full foot thing.

Go ahead and start getting her used to the thing. Keep clipping if you need to until she is OK with the grinder. But, of course, do the grinder introduction randomly throughout the day and not in the same session as clipping time.

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1. Always support the nail with a finger or thumb as you grind . That lessens the vibration on that toe, and I imagine makes it less tickly for her.
2. Never grind on one nail for more than few second at a time. The area you are grinding can get quite hot. If you need to do more grinding than that, just go on to another nail and come back to the first."
I use a cordless Dremel multipro--the rechargeable battery doesn't have a super long running time--if you're doing multiple dogs in a row, that could be a problem for you--but a corded dremel is rather a pain to use (for me, anyway)

Dremel style tools marketed specifically as nail grinders for pets often don't have enough power to do tough dobe nails--it's really better just to use an ordinary hobby dremel with the coarse sandpaper roll.
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Dogs are generally more comfortable having their nails dremeled than having them clipped. Dremels don't seem to pinch or squeeze the nails the way clippers do; you can get a nice smooth edge to the nail; it's much easier to avoid hitting the quick. But they do make noise and vibrate the nail as they grind it, so you have to go slow introducing one.



I pulled up this old post to give you a little intro to the process:



I use a cordless Dremel multipro--the rechargeable battery doesn't have a super long running time--if you're doing multiple dogs in a row, that could be a problem for you--but a corded dremel is rather a pain to use (for me, anyway)

Dremel style tools marketed specifically as nail grinders for pets often don't have enough power to do tough dobe nails--it's really better just to use an ordinary hobby dremel with the coarse sandpaper roll.
Thanks melbrod - my wife says we have a Dremel somewhere from when we tried to do stained glass.....I will have to find it to see if it is still in good shape.!
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I bought a regular hobby dremmel.......opted not to get the one with an LED light........

So now in the house I have to sit near a lamp.....and shadows irritate me during the mani - pedi process.

IF you buy one .......yep get hobby dremmel........suggest the one with the light..........nice to be able to see what you are doing !!!! Pup will appreciate that also !!!

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I bought a regular hobby dremmel.......opted not to get the one with an LED light........

So now in the house I have to sit near a lamp.....and shadows irritate me during the mani - pedi process.

IF you buy one .......yep get hobby dremmel........suggest the one with the light..........nice to be able to see what you are doing !!!! Pup will appreciate that also !!!
Yeah will look this weekend for ours if not then look into the hobby Dremel
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Moe, Thanks for the Mila update with the pictures.

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Here's a perma-link to a Dremel nail thread which I posted using my favorite Dremel Micro w/LED light. If you want an even quieter model, the Dremel Stylo sold at HD is almost silent. I use it on our little Lanah as she is squirmy when it comes to nail time.


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Dogs are generally more comfortable having their nails dremeled than having them clipped. Dremels don't seem to pinch or squeeze the nails the way clippers do; you can get a nice smooth edge to the nail; it's much easier to avoid hitting the quick. But they do make noise and vibrate the nail as they grind it, so you have to go slow introducing one.
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I bought a regular hobby dremmel.......opted not to get the one with an LED light........

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So I found our Dremel - it is a Model 800 Cordless Rotary Tool (older one). Ebay has it so not sure how long the link will last: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dremel-Mode...EAAOSw68NdYhZj

I assume the tip you mentioned will work SD. I have lots of little sanding drums but not sure the grit as I do not see any markings. Funny thing the battery still worked!

Has multiple speed ranges 0 - 10....2 = 5k to 11K rpm all the way up to 10 = 31K to 35K. Looks like around 10K to 15K I saw in the links.
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Basically this one:


At least that's what I've always used. You don't want to use a stone grinding bit.
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At least that's what I've always used. You don't want to use a stone grinding bit.
Thanks melbrod - I believe I have a few of those or at least very similar.

So now I will get her used to the noise - although fairly quiet....give her some treats and finally give it a go.
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Uhoh - Mila is getting in trouble. She has been sneaking onto the bed last few days! My wife doesn't like that

So will have to watch her and keep the bedroom door shut for now.
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Uhoh - Mila is getting in trouble. She has been sneaking onto the bed last few days! My wife doesn't like that

So will have to watch her and keep the bedroom door shut for now.
Maybe your wife will have a change of heart. My hubby was like that with Coco. I let her on the couch and bed but he didn't. Now with Sugar it's a whole new world. They lay on the couch together and every morning when I go to work (he works afternoons) Sugar lays on the bed in my spot until they get up for the day!! I don't mind but quietly giggle to myself about 2nd child syndrome and all the rules going out the window
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Maybe your wife will have a change of heart. My hubby was like that with Coco. I let her on the couch and bed but he didn't. Now with Sugar it's a whole new world. They lay on the couch together and every morning when I go to work (he works afternoons) Sugar lays on the bed in my spot until they get up for the day!! I don't mind but quietly giggle to myself about 2nd child syndrome and all the rules going out the window

Lol - that is funny

But I do not see that happening here. I also do not want her up on the furniture....but probably would let that occur before my wife would
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