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Does this only happen to Doberman owners?

So we all know that the average person doesn’t know or understand the true nature of Dobermans, they only know what they’ve heard or seen on TV, that Dobermans are vicious and unpredictable. We all know this isn’t true, but it seems that people, complete strangers usually feel the need to tell you how your dog is mean, vicious, shouldn’t be trusted, I was bit by one and my favorite their brains out grow their skulls and they all eventually become crazy.

I’ve heard it all, but today was a new one for me. I had just finished taking Rizzo through a Rally course, it was her first time and did really well BTW, and another person in class told me that I had a rockstar on my hands, I smiled and said thank you, we’ve been working really hard. Then it came...she proceeded to tell me how she had decided a long time ago that Dobermans were a breed she never wanted to interact with, I just responded with oh ya. She told me a story about when she was in college she was staying with a friend and the dog was fine with her, but then she came in late when everyone was sleeping and the dog just attacked her. I tried the standard, Dobermans today are not the same as Dobermans in the 70’s and 80’s, breeders have worked very hard to even out their temperaments over the years. Then she told me how her grandparents had a Doberman that was a farm dog and he killed her golden while she was visiting. At this point I didn’t even know what to say, I mean she just complemented my dog to strike up conversation to tell me how awful Dobermans are.

I’ve only ever had Dobermans so I don’t know, but does this happen to people with other breeds of dogs? What possesses people to talk shitty about the breed we love right to our face when our dogs are being well behaved? It’s fine, I don’t care what people think it just pisses me off.
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Another case of stupid human. No fixing that......
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I think she was just complimenting you BECAUSE she had decided they were awful and was impressed with yours. It's like my grandma has had a good perception of Rottweilers thanks to the Good Dog Carl books, but when I first mentioned I wanted a Doberman someday she said she would never come visit if I got one. Well, when Nadia was a baby we went to the National Specialty together and what really sort of drove it home for her was seeing how all the dogs there were so well-behaved. She was so impressed by them. And she has a lot of really nice things to say about Nadia's temperament.

Meanwhile the owner of my IGP club simply can't stand Malinois. She has German Shepherds, and decided even while she was still living in Europe that she wanted nothing to do with Mals. So I always know she is extra impressed when she compliments someone's Mal.

But that sort of thing happens to any breed that is known by name to the public and has "a reputation". Not just Doberman owners.
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At my boy's first vet visit after bringing him home (he was 8 weeks at the time) we ran into this older lady who came up to me and fawned over him. Told me how cute and sweet he was. She thought he was a dachshund, so I corrected her and her attitude totally changed. When he was a dachshund, he was sweet. When she was told he was a doberman it turned to, "Oh he's sweet now, but he'll turn mean. Are you going to teach him to bite?" I didn't know what to say. I'd been a doberman owner all of 24 hours at that point! I think all I ended up saying was an annoyed "Of course not" and went on my way.

That was the first but not the last time someone had something not so nice to say about dobermans in general, but I'm happy to report that when Zeus goes out in public with me, we have more positive interactions than negative. Many people want to stop and talk about a doberman they had when they were young, or a doberman that their grandparents had and how it was the sweetest most loyal pet they've ever owned. Many people ask to pet him, which I'm happy to let them do, especially if it helps to erase the "dobermans are mean and aggressive" stigma. I'm sure owners of other breeds that are seen as aggressive or scary looking go through the same thing as we doberman owners do. Sucks, but we just have to prove them wrong with our good boys and girls!
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I think she was just complimenting you BECAUSE she had decided they were awful and was impressed with yours.
I hadn’t thought of it this way, you’re probably right.

You’re story about your grandma reminded me of my MIL, we had moved out of state right after we got married and my husbands family never visited. When we got Athena they visited all the time, she to,d me she wanted Athena to know her and love her while she was a young happy puppy so that when she got older and mean she would remember her and be okay with her. She ended up falling in love with the breed so much that she got herself a Doberman puppy. It’s quite a sad story though, BYB major spinal trauma and had to be put down. She thought she was saving him from a bad situation and ended in a lot of heartache. They don’t believe in paying a lot for well bred dogs. When we were looking for a puppy years later and couldn’t she told my husband that she had found one and wanted to buy her for me for my birthday, thankful,y my husband put a stop to it.

I take Great care to make sure my dogs are well behaved members of society and my heart swells when they behave like perfect angels and change peoples perception, if they can change just one persons mind about the breed thenits all worth it
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I was visiting my parents years ago and had just finished washed my fathers car in his driveway. I happen to glance up and saw the yuppie family (father, wife and 2 girls) across the street frozen in terror in their doorway (this is about 30 yards away). My dobie had walked out of the house and was sitting in the garage watching me wash the car. I guess they figured if the don’t move they would be safe.

Fast forward 15 years, I was visiting my parents again and took my current dobie to the dog park. There were quite a few dogs there and several owners who obviously cannot control their dogs. My dobe heeled off leash, we walked through the entrance and across to one of the side benches minding our own business (1.5 acre dog park). Anyway some guys dog comes up to us and starts growling at me sitting at the bench w my dog. I looked at this dog and he’s getting closer so I stood up. This dog lunges at me and my dobe chases it off. I recalled Pfeil who comes back to me and sits at my side.

5 minutes later a guy w a big beer belly comes up to me to tell me my Doberman was aggressive and attacked his dog. In a calm tone I told him he was welcome to call the police and we will see whose dog is unruly one. After huffing and puffing for a couple minutes he stomped off.

It was also the last time I went to that dog park.
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Well CF - The lady was probably right - It's them cold - cold winters + all the snow that drives them Dober's crazy up there - lol

JUST kidding !

I have had a few encounters like yours - But like Gamer said - Most want to pet Mr. Business . Have had lots of owners with little doggies pick them up to protect them - walk Way around us - But you know - they just love there pets and I over look it . Like we love our Dober's - would do anything to protect them .

I will be honest here - I do profile some breeds - I keep a super close eye on them when I have Mr. B out in public . Why do I do that ? Well - thoughts breeds also got a bad rap and some - for a good reason - they are associated with bad people - I seen this happen one time at our vets - the guy had a large chain on this dog and was hitting on him to make him look like a badazz - the room was full - the guy could not take his eyes off of us and would then hit on the dog some more - I was really getting pizzed at him and he was picking up on my feelings for treating his dog that way - Now if I was running that office , I would have asked him to leave and never come bad . They took us in a waiting room and when we were done - they took us out the bad door . I told the tech my feelings on this event and she said she knew she would get a ear full from me

There will always be that one case - and I don't care what breed it is - where there was a accident - and then the news gets a hold of it and then you know what happens then

Glad to hear your Rally went very well ! We are on hold here with rally classes here - we are in a big rain delay with planting and we just missed the class we wanted to attend

If you can - keep posting on your rally classes - A rookie from Indiana could use any pointers !

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I get people thinking my male malamute/husky mix is aggressive just because of his markings. He has a bit of a mask that makes him look like he's angry when he lowers his head a certain way and I've heard people say, "Oh, big scary dog. Bet he'll eat my *insert small dog here*" when in fact, he stays by my side and will wander the perimeter of a dog park I go to. I only go to one dog park because I know most of the people there and I actually am one of the heads of the park/admins there but it just astounds me that people are quick to judge a dog simply on looks.

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CF- I have encountered several isolated instances of Doberman prejudice in Spock's 9+ years with us, mainly non-verbal body language from older adults...
This would be just fear of getting close or crossing street during our walks. Spock and Eva meet all varieties of adults, children & pets during our walks on the biking trails in our public park. Most people walking dogs at park are dog savvy and admire the Dobes. Only problems always seem to be from a few "little yapper" doggies who, for some unknown reason to me, will talk smack to our pair of Dobermans they are meeting on walk!

In Spock's Therapy Dog "Read With Me" visits to our local elementary school every Monday, it is refreshing to see all the kids just want to pet and hug Spock, like he's just a big puppy (which he really is in that situation). He loves all the attention....

https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberma...ing-buddy.html

There seems to be NO Doberman predisposed fright instilled in these young students from many movies in the 70's-90's.


However, Doberman play style is rough and intimidating to some dogs (and people, too). Maybe best not to show this video below to your new friend unless she wants to get a Dobe...

Spock is the instigator in most cases (pesky big bro)
Sometimes Eva will start it, whenever she's feeling frisky...


Dober "Playtime" at the Breakfast Club...
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(Lessons - 1. Dobes Play Rough (Ruff) 2. Always Back Away from Eva's Pearly Whites!)



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You got that right Spock regarding the little dogs being the big talkers............a lady in our neighborhood.............as we approach Hoss obeys ..........yapper dog goes nuts while on harness leash........the lady always picks up her dog......gives me the evil eye.......then she turns around and walks the other direction.
I always laugh...because this now leaves Hoss and I following her.................all she had to do was keep on walking by ..........but nooooooooooo......
we can't fix stupied!!!! LOL

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...I always laugh...because this now leaves Hoss and I following her.................all she had to do was keep on walking by ..........but nooooooooooo......
we can't fix stupied!!!! LOL

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I was visiting my parents years ago and had just finished washed my fathers car in his driveway. I happen to glance up and saw the yuppie family (father, wife and 2 girls) across the street frozen in terror in their doorway (this is about 30 yards away). My dobie had walked out of the house and was sitting in the garage watching me wash the car. I guess they figured if the don’t move they would be safe.

Fast forward 15 years, I was visiting my parents again and took my current dobie to the dog park. There were quite a few dogs there and several owners who obviously cannot control their dogs. My dobe heeled off leash, we walked through the entrance and across to one of the side benches minding our own business (1.5 acre dog park). Anyway some guys dog comes up to us and starts growling at me sitting at the bench w my dog. I looked at this dog and he’s getting closer so I stood up. This dog lunges at me and my dobe chases it off. I recalled Pfeil who comes back to me and sits at my side.

5 minutes later a guy w a big beer belly comes up to me to tell me my Doberman was aggressive and attacked his dog. In a calm tone I told him he was welcome to call the police and we will see whose dog is unruly one. After huffing and puffing for a couple minutes he stomped off.

It was also the last time I went to that dog park.
I was walking Athena when she was around 7 months old and she got attacked by a cocker spaniel, the owner was a complete jerk and wouldn’t give me vaccinations records, I got injured in the process too, so I called the police. He wasn’t helpful at all either...he was like a cocker spaniel did this? Yes. You know they’re like 20 pounds right? Yes, my dog was on leash that, dog was not, also my dog is a puppy and please don’t assume she’s aggressive because of her breed.
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Well CF - The lady was probably right - It's them cold - cold winters + all the snow that drives them Dober's crazy up there - lol

JUST kidding !

I have had a few encounters like yours - But like Gamer said - Most want to pet Mr. Business . Have had lots of owners with little doggies pick them up to protect them - walk Way around us - But you know - they just love there pets and I over look it . Like we love our Dober's - would do anything to protect them .

I will be honest here - I do profile some breeds - I keep a super close eye on them when I have Mr. B out in public . Why do I do that ? Well - thoughts breeds also got a bad rap and some - for a good reason - they are associated with bad people - I seen this happen one time at our vets - the guy had a large chain on this dog and was hitting on him to make him look like a badazz - the room was full - the guy could not take his eyes off of us and would then hit on the dog some more - I was really getting pizzed at him and he was picking up on my feelings for treating his dog that way - Now if I was running that office , I would have asked him to leave and never come bad . They took us in a waiting room and when we were done - they took us out the bad door . I told the tech my feelings on this event and she said she knew she would get a ear full from me

There will always be that one case - and I don't care what breed it is - where there was a accident - and then the news gets a hold of it and then you know what happens then

Glad to hear your Rally went very well ! We are on hold here with rally classes here - we are in a big rain delay with planting and we just missed the class we wanted to attend

If you can - keep posting on your rally classes - A rookie from Indiana could use any pointers !

Have a great day up Nort

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You’re a better person Than me, I would have let him have it. There’s no place in this world for animal abuse!

We’re actually taking a novice OB class, but it was the last class so they set up an OB ring and a rally ring to run through and see how far we’ve come. It was my very first time doing a rally course, it’s quite difficult to read the signs and cue Rizzo what to do at the same time! I was really happy about how she did....sometimes in class she does really well and other times she heels like a turd, I think she gets bored. We were even able to do the off leash portion for OB and I was impressed, I half expected her to give me the bird and run off to explore. She was a bit crooked and got in front s me for just a few paces but she was focused and looking right at me! Proud momma moment ❤️❤️❤️
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@spocksdad that’s a pretty mild video! It sounds like world war three in my house and Rizzo does this thing where she slams her self down on the ground on her side and slides across the floor. She also uses the back of my couch as a burm, spring boarding off it as she’s running full speed! It quite funny actually, I’ll have to see if I can get it on video.
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I was walking Athena when she was around 7 months old and she got attacked by a cocker spaniel, the owner was a complete jerk and wouldn’t give me vaccinations records, I got injured in the process too, so I called the police. He wasn’t helpful at all either...he was like a cocker spaniel did this? Yes. You know they’re like 20 pounds right? Yes, my dog was on leash that, dog was not, also my dog is a puppy and please don’t assume she’s aggressive because of her breed.
The older I get the less patience I have for idiots. I just broke up a dog fight last week and got a scuffed knee in the process. A young gal in one of the apartment complexes that I manage had an illegal pet (she was making $$ as a dog sitter) against the lease contract. I opened the door to the office and this pit bull jumps on my boy and off to the races they go. The pit had its mouth on my Dobes shoulder and I chased them a good 40 yards and had to body slammed the pit bull against a tree to get him loose from my dog.

The whole time this was going on all the gal could do was shout “NO.”

I then held it down for a good 10 seconds before letting the dog go. I got a bloodied knee and Pfeil got a nick on his shoulder and muzzle.

Speaking of which I haven’t written her up for an animal and lease violation.

I’m from Texas and so I always carry a fixed blade knife. In both this case and the case in the dog park when I stood up from the bench, another 2-3 seconds would have someone watching me kill their dog with my knife.

There really should be a test before people can own dogs, too many people I see have no business having them.

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The older I get the less patience I have for idiots. I just broke up a dog fight last week and got a scuffed knee in the process. A young gal in one of the apartment complexes that I manage had an illegal pet (she was making $$ as a dog sitter) against the lease contract. I opened the door to the office and this pit bull jumps on my boy and off to the races they go. The pit had its mouth on my Dobes shoulder and I chased them a good 40 yards and had to body slammed the pit bull against a tree to get him loose from my dog.

The whole time this was going on all the gal could do was shout “NO.”

I then held it down for a good 10 seconds before letting the dog go. I got a bloodied knee and Pfeil got a nick on his shoulder and muzzle.

Speaking of which I haven’t written her up for an animal and lease violation.

I’m from Texas and so I always carry a fixed blade knife. In both this case and the case in the dog park when I stood up from the bench, another 2-3 seconds would have someone watching me kill their dog with my knife.

There really should be a test before people can own dogs, too many people I see have no business having them.
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Dog fights are so scary, glad to hear that no one got seriously injured though!

My story takes kind of an interesting turn, when the dog attacked Athena she was so scared she peed herself, the attacker was under the control or lack therof of a kid around 10 playing in the driveway. I chose not to press charges bc the dad was such a jerk I thought he would take it out on the kids. Fast forward, we ended up having some behavior issues on walks due to the attack. I had anxiety walking her afterwards which made her act up more and was just a vicious cycle. We hired a trainer to work through it and on one of or sessions here’s comes the kid with the dog, trainer takes Athena’s leash so she can deal with any issues, assures me that she will handle anything and she won’t let them hurts Athena. She puts her in a down on the grass out of the way for them to pass. Kid walks up behind her with his dog and just stops and stares at us and lets his dog eye ball Athena, trainer waits it out for a few seconds and then without even looking at the kid says, can I help you, he says no, she says then I suggest you take your dog and keep walking. I was a nervous wreck and she was as calm as can be, kids moves along, Athena never broke her down until she was released and then walked the rest of the way like a perfect angel. Turns out all alongit was me that was the problem and my trainer really helped me gain the confidence to walk her. The trainer and I became great friends in the process.
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