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Lots of doberman things have been going through my mind, so here they are all at once!

1. I THINK Zeus's medicine for his fur loss on his belly and neck is working. Granted, it's only been 5 days but he's taking it twice a day (until Tuesday, then it goes down to once a day) and it seems less red now on his neck. Less scratching! Hopefully his fur starts to thicken up soon.

2. When we took him to the vet, he weighed 75lbs. I saw (on the AKC website) that male dobermans should weigh between 75 and 100lbs. Zeus is almost 16 months old. Will he continue to put on more weight? We are feeding him more than what the TOTW bag recommends because he was looking super skinny a few months ago. (Bag says adult dogs 60lbs get 3 cups. 80lbs gets 3 3/4 cups. We're feeding him 4 cups a day). Is 75lbs healthy for a dog his age?

3. We got him a new leather collar. Ordered it from Chewy.com. Here is a link: Dog Collar
It's sort of stiff and someone in the comments recommended using a leather conditioner on it...but with his neck area apparently being sensitive, I dont want to add something that may irritate him. Recommendations? I thought about going back to Bold Lead Design's site and ordering one even though the size I think I need is out of stock. Could go a size up. But will any leather collar I get need to have leather conditioner applied to it?

4. His farts really stink. I mean....seriously. Bombs. We're dying overe here. Gas mask time when he lets one rip. His diet hasn't changed.

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Hoss is three..best to keep them lean as long as possible.....as they mature ......and slow down some............they pick up a few more pounds.....

Glad to hear neck is clearing up........as far as the collar size you should be able to just slip it off his head....you know ..one ear then the other ....
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Leather Collar...sensitivity.
Maybe you could try Pure Neatsfoot Oil? Read the label--Pure Neatsfoot Oil will tend to say something like 100% natural pure; Neatsfoot Oil Compound has added ingredients like petroleum or synthetic oils. It is a relatively pure oil rendered from cattle leg bones. It will definitely darken the leather though, so it you're attached to its color, you might not want to try it. But I dunno.

And just to make it more difficult to figure out what is going on, if he does seem to have a reaction to the collar, he could be reacting to the chemicals used to tan the leather, not necessarily to anything you put on it.


I find dobes a bit difficult to fit into a collar. Their heads tend to be about as big around as their necks You should be able to fit just a finger or two under his collar when it is on. Which to me seems like I have to buckle it on, not just try to slip it over his head.

If you use a choke collar for training (which a lot of people don't--it's not necessarily the best collar to train a dobe with), they even make a toggle collar that you don't have to slide over his head. That way you can get the collar to stay right up behind his ears. If a collar will slide over his head, it will tend to slide down his neck too.



Weight--75 pounds is fine, and at his age he's likely to gain a few more pounds. He's not quite a mature dog yet.

Whether a dog is a good weight depends on his size and bone structure--dobes are supposed to be medium sized dogs. At a proper weight, you should be able to see his last few ribs and feel the rest fairly easily with no apparent fat padding. He should have a definite waist when looked at from above and a tuck up (tummy line) when you look from the side. He shouldn't have fat rolls at the base of his neck or in front of his tail; vice versa, his hip bones and backbone shouldn't be sticking out.

Anyway, if he's fit and trim, it's not particularly useful to worry about his size and weight. He will be what he will be.
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As far as the neck condition ..I would let as much air as possible to get to those irritated areas.........only use collar if absolute must .....travel, park,etc. Their little hair follicles just get all upset if they get touched the wrong way to much ...especially if irritation already exists.
Some folks do condition leather items.....Hossís leather leash ....I had it a year before I conditioned it the first time.......its still in great shape.
So you do not have to condition your chosen leather collar immediately. It will be alright until you get things in check with the neck.............

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What medication is he on? If it’s a oral one, especially if it’s an antibiotic, then that could definitely affect his digestion, and give him gas.


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@Rosemary , he is on Prednisone. The vet cautioned me that it may make him urinate more and inceease his appetite, but his stinky flatulence started before the meds. He has been going outside more often, but I'm happy that he's going out. Someone here mentioned it may cause incontinence!

Thanks all for the advice on conditioning his new collar! He hasn't worn it yet as it just got in, and he's been naked lately (which will be our new norm when at home) to give his neck a chance to heal and not re-irritate the area. I'll hold off on conditioning the leather, and when I do I'll look for something all natural. I'm really hoping the problem was his nylon collar.

As for his size, I'm definitely not someone who is overly concerned about having a Big Huge Doberman. I think he's perfect the way he is and just want to make sure I'm doing thngs right, food wise, to make sure he's growing as he should. And using @melbrod 's description, I think he's good to go!
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Look up the TOTW class action lawsuit. I had my dogs on it and took them off a few months ago. I didnít noticed any problems and havenít seen any change but itís something to look into. Possibly linked to health problems and death of animals.


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Look up the TOTW class action lawsuit. I had my dogs on it and took them off a few months ago. I didnít noticed any problems and havenít seen any change but itís something to look into. Possibly linked to health problems and death of animals.


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I have mentioned this in another feeding topic post by the OP. I would avoid diamond pet food personally.
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Oh no! What, I didn't know that! Other food recommendations please?

Has dog ownership always been this scary???
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Earthborn is Hossís favorite.....a close friend of mine recently changed to Fromm........

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Gamer - I think you should take the time and read the Tread - posted by Dobegal related to DCM and Dog foods - Meadowcat has posted some of the best - up to date info on that tread by the FDA and Vets that are studying DCM in dogs .

Regarding What to feed - I will admit - I'm more confused than ever ! I currently feed Mr. B Orijen Ordinal - I do need to back track some here - We got out first Dobie back in 1979 ? 80 - We have for the most part have always feed some type of Purina dog foods - Not only our dogs - but also to our cattle and got along great using them - So what changed here ? I sadly bought into the newer types of food offered today - not saying there not good - but companies like Purina have studied there food produces for ever - have in house Dietitians - they check and recheck what they do - where as the New - top of the line companies do not -

I'm in no way - shape or form - promoting Purina - other that we got along fine with it - they have the back ground . [B
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So to answer your question - right now - I'm planning on switching Kadin over to Pro Plan - Maybe the Salmon and sensitive skin --- I think that's the name of it .

Also in the tread on DCM and dog foods - there is a outstanding post by Dobebug ! A very well - thought threw post and the knowledge she has from raising Dobermans for damn near 60 years !!! Thanks Aunt B. !

One more thing - you asked if ownership has always been this scary - My thoughts are NO ! When we first got our first Dobe - There was no internet - we relied on our Vets and breeders for all info . now a days - there is just so much info - some good - some bad and it's up to us to figure out what is right and what to do , It gets confusing ! to say the least

I can not sat enough good things about this site Mouser ! there is lot's and lots of real life knowledge on here and even after all the years of raising dobies - I lean on lots of the members for thoughts and idea's - this all for what may be best for our best friends

Here is the link I was talking about

https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberma...d-renamed.html

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Unfortunately there always seems to be a food scare/recall of some sorts. It's usually bigger brands but not "the big 3" If you are looking for suggestions, I've been happy feeding Victor brand to mine for a while.
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This is the thread that ECIN mentioned: https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberma...d-renamed.html

I'm personally feeding Proplan Sensitive Skin and Stomach (part of the Focus line) - the Salmon formula. I've switched from Fromm, based on a lot of research. Many may disagree, but I feel it's the best choice based on the available information. Both of mine are doing great on it.

As far as the collar, good leather typically softens with wear. You can use a conditioner, which may soften it some, but good wear will do it, too. Some leather isn't as high quality, and won't soften as much. If you are going to use a leather conditioner, I really like Fiebings. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1. I have a pretty large collar collection (ahem) and that's what I use, but I rarely condition my collars. My dogs also don't wear their collars unless we're leaving the house.

If you end up needing a softer collar, my recommendation would be to buy one from Andrea at dogs-art collars. She's a Doberman person, and her leather collars are very reasonably priced, and butter soft leather. You can get a quick release buckle, martingale, or limited slip. I have several, and they are top quality.


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I've done a lot of reading and lecture watching (very informative, btw) and fretting and gazing at Zeus and wondering what's best for my buddy boy and how could I have been feeding him something that could possibly make him sick! I spoke with my husband and told him about the need to change Zeus's food. The number of dog food options out there is overwhelming, and of course everyone claims they're the best. The reason he's on TOTW is because that's what he was fed by the breeder, so we thought it best to keep him on his same food when we brought him home. We always got compliments on his shiny coat and he never had any major issues with it, so we thought we were doing good!

Anyway. I'm so glad I have you community of people for guidance. All I want is to be a good dobermom. From my questions regarding ear crops, posting, poop eating, stinky farts, collar issues, pesky behaviors, and everything in between, y'all have always taken the time to help, and I thank you!

We'll be looking into Purina Pro Plan Sensitive Skin and Stomach since I've seen that specific type mentioned by a few in this thread and the ingredients looked good. Plus, with his sensitive neck and belly areas, I'm hoping the "sensitive skin" part of the formula helps keep that in check. Gonna pick up a bag tomorrow and start a gradual switch at dinnertime.
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