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CGC Test Advice?

Okay so as most of you know, Ace and I are hoping to do his CGC test soon.

We need to start working daily to improve our current training. He can sit, stay, stand, wait, leave it and come on command. (He knows other commands, but those are mostly trick commands). It all could be tightened up obviously, but I know consistency is key there.

Walking on the leash is our downfall. He's slightly improving, but the problem is he is rarely leashed. He's great off leash, and at our home property is rarely leashed for our outside adventures. He's recall is pretty strong, but obviously for an 8mo old puppy, it can always use more practice. Everything could always use more, never-ending practice. We have started training by any time he pulls, I stop. I need to get much better about this myself, but i have noticed him being slightly better.

He's never been groomed by a brush before, so that's definitely something I need to get, and start working on, since its included in the test. How can I teach him not to nip during that? When we wipe him down with cleaning wipes, its a big ole game and he tries to steal the wipe from us. My fault for not nipping it in the bud there.


Otherwise, what advice and recommendations can you give me for preparing for this test? What can I do to ensure we do our best? Any tips/tricks that helped?

We are enrolling in a "Focus" class in a few weeks, but there is a chance the CGC testing may be in the middle of that class. Not totally sure when it will be offered yet. But i'd like to start setting ourselves up for success sooner than later. I've got a great dog on my hands, who I think is going to excel in either Obedience/Rally or Agility (down the road) and I don't want his talents to go to waste. I know that if I can get him set up to do well with this CGC test, the BN title test is going to be a breeze, because once he's on, he's on.

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Opinions may vary but these are 2 videos worked well for Hoss and I......

Hoss and I work well together on a leash BUT still to this day before we begin our walks I always start off making sure he knows that..... he is with me.....versus .....me being with him......that begins at the door....him yielding to me as we go out the door for our walks.
Once outside we walk one direction......then another ...then back the other way ......to ensure he is following.....once I know he is following.....then we walk together around our neighborhood......if he tries to nose ahead (Hoss he's sneaky) I tap my leg (that's my turn signal) and I turn directions.......if he tries to move ahead ...tap and turn....tries again ...tap and turn.....over time Hoss has learned he better stay back and pay attention to where "I" am going ........that was a very important step to success for us.

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Opinions may vary but these are 2 videos worked well for Hoss and I......
Thanks LadyDi, I will absolutely watch those videos later when I can have sound.

My biggest problem with his leash training is me though. I know what I need to do, but I just haven't put the time into it. He's off leash 100% of the time at home, and honestly its an after-thought about a leash. I will need to start leashing him at home more often, but I really think teaching Heel is going to be very beneficial too. I like the way she teaches that, and can even start working on that tonight in the home!

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One thing you will need to work on is to run up to people and pee on there feet ! Then how to growl at other dogs and people ! Then to dig up any flowers In the area - A big poop is a must and needs to worked in some time during the test ! Maybe to lay down and not get u - even on command ! When kids walk by - pull on the lead and act like he's going to have them for lunch is a good one too ! Will think on it and see if I can help you out any more !


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One thing you will need to work on is to run up to people and pee on there feet ! Then how to growl at other dogs and people ! Then to dig up any flowers In the area - A big poop is a must and needs to worked in some time during the test ! Maybe to lay down and not get u - even on command ! When kids walk by - pull on the lead and act like he's going to have them for lunch is a good one too ! Will think on it and see if I can help you out any more !


Good luck - I know Ace - will Ace it !


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Check these two out......especially part two...it will explain in more detail the success you see in part one......I use the right leg swing ........works like a charm.....

https://youtu.be/WR8UFw8czFY?t=3
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You will see later in part two that everything he does is in preparation of future training techniques.....

That right leg swing is the best thing I ever tried with the quickest result......

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Check these two out......especially part two...it will explain in more detail the success you see in part one......I use the right leg swing ........works like a charm.....

https://youtu.be/WR8UFw8czFY?t=3
https://youtu.be/Fon50CtUtuw?t=3


You will see later in part two that everything he does is in preparation of future training techniques.....

That right leg swing is the best thing I ever tried with the quickest result......
Hi LadyDi, I appreciate the videos, but I'd like to focus more on CGC prep advice and things related to the CGC test. Thank you!

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Oh...OK......

Best wishes....to you and yours

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Chesa- Great you have such good goals set up for Ace!

My initial reaction to your post is that Ace is still a puppy and might be a little young to go through the CGC evaluation. Has he taken and passed a basic obedience course yet (non-puppy class)? This is usually a prerequisite for CGC.

I didn't get Spock through CGC until 12.2016 when he was 6 y/o because I worked out of town and had to schedule 6 consecutive weekends when I would be home. I signed him up at a local Unleashed Pet store (a higher end Petco) since it was very near my home and they had a good instructor. Also the CGC training course including test was 1/2 price on a promotion.

https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberma...ew-tricks.html

Located in a shopping center the store was much smaller than a regular Petco/Petsmart it turned out to be better training for Spock with many distractions, customers, dogs, etc. He has always been a high energy Dobe who is easily distracted, but at the older age he was mellowed somewhat.

Spock excelled at the obedience and the stranger meeting/handling tasks, since he went through basic obedience at age 2 y/o. Being of a very friendly nature, staying with the instructor for 5 minutes while Daddy was out of sight was not a problem for him, as long as he was getting someones attention!

As with your Ace, loose leash walking is always Spock's challenge, even though we practice it daily on our walks. He is just a fast walker, but will stop when I stop, sit when commanded and walk slow when commanded. CGC training requires flat collar during practice and evaluations, no chokers, martingale or pinch collars. His excitement level when walking is what always needs to be "harnessed". In the pet store environment the distractions are loads of pet treats & toys in aisles, DIY Pet wash stations in use and other dogs walking around store!

What I did find out is that Spock's training for/evaluation for CGC in 12.2016 was invaluable later in 5.2018 for his Pet Partner's Therapy Dog testing. The PP therapy dog testing is very similar to the CGC testing except for the Medical equipment involved in Therapy Dog skills. (as you can see in below videos)


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Okay so as most of you know, Ace and I are hoping to do his CGC test soon.

We need to start working daily to improve our current training. He can sit, stay, stand, wait, leave it and come on command. (He knows other commands, but those are mostly trick commands). It all could be tightened up obviously, but I know consistency is key there.

Walking on the leash is our downfall. He's slightly improving, but the problem is he is rarely leashed. He's great off leash, and at our home property is rarely leashed for our outside adventures. He's recall is pretty strong, but obviously for an 8mo old puppy, it can always use more practice. Everything could always use more, never-ending practice. We have started training by any time he pulls, I stop. I need to get much better about this myself, but i have noticed him being slightly better.
If there is any one thing that is "MOST" important about taking the CGC it is going to be on leash walking with your dog So bite the bullet and make it a point to walk him, on leash, at least a couple of times a day--do it in different places so he gets that it isn't just in his driveway, his yard or the sidewalk in front of the house. Does't have to be for long periods of time either--two to three minutes of walk with a dog who isn't pulling you or leaving your side to try to look at other things is what you aim at Neither the CGC nor the CGCA are endurance contests--the longest exercise is the one where you leave your dog with someone--and all he really needs do is wait patiently for your return. It's the only exercise any of my dogs failed and it was the Australian Shepherd cried (loudly) the entire time I was gone.


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He's never been groomed by a brush before, so that's definitely something I need to get, and start working on, since its included in the test. How can I teach him not to nip during that? When we wipe him down with cleaning wipes, its a big ole game and he tries to steal the wipe from us. My fault for not nipping it in the bud there.
Well, none of my Dobe get groomed with a brush--at most I wipe them down with a dampened terrycloth towel. And I've forgotten the brush business more times than not--my dogs just look mildly surprised that they are being brushed-usually you don't need to devote much time to that but if you and he have made a game out of it then you'll have to fade that behavior. Stop now letting him nip when he's being wiped down. Treat for not doing anything except standing while being brushed. It's only about or 3 swipes with a bristle brush. although one of my dog had to let the brusher run a pin brush down him three times--he really thought that was strange.

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Otherwise, what advice and recommendations can you give me for preparing for this test? What can I do to ensure we do our best? Any tips/tricks that helped?
Make sure your dog will stick with you and not try to greet every other dog he sees--there is a part where you an another person with a dog will walk toward each other (and they keep changing what exactly this exercise consists of) I've done CGC's where you stop and chat with the other person while the dogs ignore each other. And I've done it where you just walk past each other.

I just went and looked at the most recent CGC one of my dogs have done and I'm going to list them here-it's quite obvious what each exercise is supposed to show.

1) Accepting a friendly stranger--evaluator approaches, hakes hands with handler. Does not touch dog.

2) Sitting politely for petting--Evaluator pets dog, dog must show no shyness or resentment.

3) Appearance and grooming--Evaluator inspects dog, combs or brushes lightly, examines ears and each front foot.

4) Out for a walk--Handler takes dog for a short walk including right turn, left turn, about turn and stop.

5) Walking through a crowd--Dog and handler walk close to several people; dog may show casual interest but not jump up.

6) Sit and down on command/Staying in place--Handler shows dog can do sit and down, then chooses a position, leaves dog and goes to the end of a 20 ft. line and returns immediately.

7) Coming when called--With dog still on 20 ft. line from Test 6, handler walks out 10 feet and calls the dog.

8) Reaction to another dog Two handlers and dogs approach, shake hands, exchange pleasantries, move on. Dogs can show casual interest.

9) Reaction to distractions --Distractions are presented; dog may not panic or show aggression.

10 Supervised separation--Handler goes out of sight for 3-min. Dog is held on 6-ft. leash by an evaluator.

The thing to remember is that the CGC is a VERY basic test. What mostly gets dogs failed is if they are entirely out of control--proper socialization is one of the things that helps a lot when it comes to passing a CGC.

I've never had a Doberman fail either the CGC or CGCA--the Aussie did. And you do have to pass all 10 parts. But the dogs do not have perform the same way they would for Obedience or Rally.

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We are enrolling in a "Focus" class in a few weeks, but there is a chance the CGC testing may be in the middle of that class. Not totally sure
when it will be offered yet. But i'd like to start setting ourselves up for success sooner than later. I've got a great dog on my hands, who I think is going to excel in either Obedience/Rally or Agility (down the road) and I don't want his talents to go to waste. I know that if I can get him set up to do well with this CGC test, the BN title test is going to be a breeze, because once he's on, he's on.
If you think the BN title will be a breeze then you can definitely spend no time worrying about how to pass the CGC--but just in case you've got the wrong idea about the BN and the CGC. It's takes a much better trained dog to pass the BN--most of the judges who judge Obedience also judge CGC's--and they are much more demanding (as they should be) of performance in any of the Obedience levels--even the Beginning Novice--than they are of performance in the CGC. Think of the CGC as the bottom rung of the ladder--the kindergarden of dog training.

But I have no doubt that you and Ace will pass the CGC with flying colors
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My initial reaction to your post is that Ace is still a puppy and might be a little young to go through the CGC evaluation. Has he taken and passed a basic obedience course yet (non-puppy class)? This is usually a prerequisite for CGC.
Yeah I think its a lot to put on him, but I know he has the potential. Atleast if we don't pass, I know what is expected of us, and can work better in the areas we failed in!

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I didn't get Spock through CGC until 12.2016 when he was 6 y/o because I worked out of town and had to schedule 6 consecutive weekends when I would be home. I signed him up at a local Unleashed Pet store (a higher end Petco) since it was very near my home and they had a good instructor. Also the CGC training course including test was 1/2 price on a promotion.

https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberma...ew-tricks.html

Located in a shopping center the store was much smaller than a regular Petco/Petsmart it turned out to be better training for Spock with many distractions, customers, dogs, etc. He has always been a high energy Dobe who is easily distracted, but at the older age he was mellowed somewhat.

Spock excelled at the obedience and the stranger meeting/handling tasks, since he went through basic obedience at age 2 y/o. Being of a very friendly nature, staying with the instructor for 5 minutes while Daddy was out of sight was not a problem for him, as long as he was getting someones attention!

As with your Ace, loose leash walking is always Spock's challenge, even though we practice it daily on our walks. He is just a fast walker, but will stop when I stop, sit when commanded and walk slow when commanded. CGC training requires flat collar during practice and evaluations, no chokers, martingale or pinch collars. His excitement level when walking is what always needs to be "harnessed". In the pet store environment the distractions are loads of pet treats & toys in aisles, DIY Pet wash stations in use and other dogs walking around store!
Thats how Ace is! Just a fast walker, and i'm not use to such a tall dog!

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What I did find out is that Spock's training for/evaluation for CGC in 12.2016 was invaluable later in 5.2018 for his Pet Partner's Therapy Dog testing. The PP therapy dog testing is very similar to the CGC testing except for the Medical equipment involved in Therapy Dog skills. (as you can see in below videos)


AKC CGC Test:




PP Therapy Dog Test:

Ah that video is very helpful, spelled out like that. I notice some concerning areas we definitely need to improve on. The loosh leash walking, and him not scurring over to greet another dog.


Ace has taken the puppy class, and will be taking a "Focus" class which is the alternative to the Family Obedience class. So by the time of the exam, he will have had the next level class. Hopefully it will be a good start to nailing down some of these CGC requirements.


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If there is any one thing that is "MOST" important about taking the CGC it is going to be on leash walking with your dog So bite the bullet and make it a point to walk him, on leash, at least a couple of times a day--do it in different places so he gets that it isn't just in his driveway, his yard or the sidewalk in front of the house. Does't have to be for long periods of time either--two to three minutes of walk with a dog who isn't pulling you or leaving your side to try to look at other things is what you aim at Neither the CGC nor the CGCA are endurance contests--the longest exercise is the one where you leave your dog with someone--and all he really needs do is wait patiently for your return. It's the only exercise any of my dogs failed and it was the Australian Shepherd cried (loudly) the entire time I was gone.
Yeah, I definitely plan on starting this ASAP, probably even in the house. I also want to get him better at heeling, as I think that will help. Luckily he loves everyone, so he could care less when I leave him with another person, even if its a stranger. I had to do this multiple times at puppy class, and he enjoyed it. Hopefully he keeps that characteristic about him.




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Well, none of my Dobe get groomed with a brush--at most I wipe them down with a dampened terrycloth towel. And I've forgotten the brush business more times than not--my dogs just look mildly surprised that they are being brushed-usually you don't need to devote much time to that but if you and he have made a game out of it then you'll have to fade that behavior. Stop now letting him nip when he's being wiped down. Treat for not doing anything except standing while being brushed. It's only about or 3 swipes with a bristle brush. although one of my dog had to let the brusher run a pin brush down him three times--he really thought that was strange.
I never thought about that, he definitely gets wiped with the dog wipes. I certainly will take your advice and treat him when he just doesnt react. Right now we have also been working on touching his ears and mouth a lot more, and he's getting pretty relaxed with that atleast.



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Make sure your dog will stick with you and not try to greet every other dog he sees--there is a part where you an another person with a dog will walk toward each other (and they keep changing what exactly this exercise consists of) I've done CGC's where you stop and chat with the other person while the dogs ignore each other. And I've done it where you just walk past each other.
Definitely going to be a place for improvement. Other dogs are his weakness. Hopefully I can practice this a lot more in our Focus class.

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I just went and looked at the most recent CGC one of my dogs have done and I'm going to list them here-it's quite obvious what each exercise is supposed to show.

1) Accepting a friendly stranger--evaluator approaches, hakes hands with handler. Does not touch dog.

2) Sitting politely for petting--Evaluator pets dog, dog must show no shyness or resentment.

3) Appearance and grooming--Evaluator inspects dog, combs or brushes lightly, examines ears and each front foot.

4) Out for a walk--Handler takes dog for a short walk including right turn, left turn, about turn and stop.

5) Walking through a crowd--Dog and handler walk close to several people; dog may show casual interest but not jump up.

6) Sit and down on command/Staying in place--Handler shows dog can do sit and down, then chooses a position, leaves dog and goes to the end of a 20 ft. line and returns immediately.

7) Coming when called--With dog still on 20 ft. line from Test 6, handler walks out 10 feet and calls the dog.

8) Reaction to another dog Two handlers and dogs approach, shake hands, exchange pleasantries, move on. Dogs can show casual interest.

9) Reaction to distractions --Distractions are presented; dog may not panic or show aggression.

10 Supervised separation--Handler goes out of sight for 3-min. Dog is held on 6-ft. leash by an evaluator.

The thing to remember is that the CGC is a VERY basic test. What mostly gets dogs failed is if they are entirely out of control--proper socialization is one of the things that helps a lot when it comes to passing a CGC.

I've never had a Doberman fail either the CGC or CGCA--the Aussie did. And you do have to pass all 10 parts. But the dogs do not have perform the same way they would for Obedience or Rally.
The ones in bold are definitely the ones I know we will need to focus on training. Everything will need practice, but I need to put actual work into those in bold.

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If you think the BN title will be a breeze then you can definitely spend no time worrying about how to pass the CGC--but just in case you've got the wrong idea about the BN and the CGC. It's takes a much better trained dog to pass the BN--most of the judges who judge Obedience also judge CGC's--and they are much more demanding (as they should be) of performance in any of the Obedience levels--even the Beginning Novice--than they are of performance in the CGC. Think of the CGC as the bottom rung of the ladder--the kindergarden of dog training.

But I have no doubt that you and Ace will pass the CGC with flying colors
Yeah I may have gotten ahead of myself, and putting too much weight into how he acted in Puppy Class. BN is definitely my goal after the CGC! And then from there, anything is open. I plan on just taking as many classes as I can and seeing what Ace enjoys most.
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