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Question Crazy to consider another Dobie?

My Dob is currently 19 months old and he is CRAZY! Energy like I have never experienced ever before and we have had lots of dogs and fostered LOTS of dogs! But, our other dogs are too small or too elderly to truly play with him so his free play time he is outside alone. I have the opportunity to bring into our home a nice 2 year old female Dob, even tempered, housetrained, listens well. Am I crazy to consider it or will having a buddy to burn off the energy with help? Any advice welcome!
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Do you exercise him and take him for walks everyday, you need to try get rid of their energy through play or running in a park?

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What kind of exercise and training do you do with him? If you expect another dog to drain all his energy, but don't want to put in the effort of working their brains, you could just end up with two hyper dogs.


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I have known lots of owners who have had the exact same thought process as you and I have to say that I have never once seen it work out.

Also, you say "his free play time he is outside alone". That is not effective play time. Play frisbee, fetch, go for a run, do some nose work, practice old tricks, teach new tricks. Any one of these things gets more energy out of your dog then simply placing it outside. Most dogs can enjoy playing with other dogs and even use it for exercise, but they don't need other dog best friends near as much as they need you as their best friend.

I have two adult small breed dogs to go along with my 16 month old female dobe. Our beagle can play with our dobe for a short spurt every once in awhile, but most of the time it's up to me to burn out our dobe's energy on my own.

And don't forget that another dog means more food, more poop, more vet bills, more accessorie etc. And more times then not another dog ends up being more time that you have to spend exercising them. They just get riled up and require individual exercise.

I'd focus on properly exercising the dog you have before adding another dog to the family. I almost never see it have the effect that you are hoping for.


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I find two dogs to be more work than one dog. For ME, that's okay - I love having two. I don't think that a second will make your first dog less energetic or "drain" his energy - I usually find the opposite to be true. Adding a second dog makes the first MORE energetic as they play and get each other riled up I also like to have my first dog really solid in training before adding a second.

Now, on the other hand, the dog you are proposing adding sounds very well trained and solid, so if you are considering adding her ON HER OWN MERITS with NO expectations of improving your current dog's behavior (and, in fact, prepared to work HARDER to ensure she doesn't pick up his bad habits!), I might consider it. However, it sounds like you might be struggling right now with your first, and need to devote more time to training and working with him. Do you have time to do that and add in another dog? Having two is somehow MORE than twice the work and time, at least in my experience (and more than twice the money, too...)


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Hello there! I have to agree with the others on this, if you're worried about your dog being too high energy but don't put in the effort to exercise him properly (walks, runs) then another dog probably will not improve the problem. Zuko is quite high energy as well, but after a walk/run is always more calm.

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I agree with of the previous posters on having two Dobes. More than twice the work, etc. but also more than twice the enjoyment, as well!
(Also, don't forget twice the neediness- a.k.a Velcro)

As mentioned it's best to play with and train the Dobes separately, for if you have a play hog (like our Spock) he wants to butt in on all human-dog play with other dogs...

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We have done the obedience work with him, he has trophies from in 3 areas, obedience, rally and showmanship, we do work his brain, make him work for food, stimulate him that way. We also work him outdoors, recalling, chasing, playing, fetch. The more we work him the worse his energy level gets, he feeds off of it! Even as a young puppy, he never got tired and just crashed, the more exercise he got the more hyper and naughty he got! We do not live in town, nearest town is 30 miles away, and is not dog friendly, no dog park, active dog groups, etc but he has an entire farm to run and explore and he is always outside when we are, helping with chores, etc. Having another one is not an issue, we are an animal family and one more is never an issue. I'm just hoping the ability to play like a doberman with another doberman, at all times, not just when we are available and able to interact with him. I should add too that I have physical issues that prevent me from being really physically interactive with him. I work his brain and do all the training but cannot take him for runs. Just a few added details I left out of my original post.
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We have done the obedience work with him, he has trophies from in 3 areas, obedience, rally and showmanship, we do work his brain, make him work for food, stimulate him that way. We also work him outdoors, recalling, chasing, playing, fetch. The more we work him the worse his energy level gets, he feeds off of it! Even as a young puppy, he never got tired and just crashed, the more exercise he got the more hyper and naughty he got! We do not live in town, nearest town is 30 miles away, and is not dog friendly, no dog park, active dog groups, etc but he has an entire farm to run and explore and he is always outside when we are, helping with chores, etc. Having another one is not an issue, we are an animal family and one more is never an issue. I'm just hoping the ability to play like a doberman with another doberman, at all times, not just when we are available and able to interact with him. I should add too that I have physical issues that prevent me from being really physically interactive with him. I work his brain and do all the training but cannot take him for runs. Just a few added details I left out of my original post.
Given this information, I'd say a few things:

First, congrats on your dog's trophies! Sounds like you've put in a lot of work with him - way to go! I had some similar issues with one of my previous dogs...the more physical training we did, the more she needed. I realized I was actually just building up an endurance dog! I discovered what I actually needed was to teach her how to settle and be quiet...she didn't have a natural "off switch" like many dogs did. Your dog might benefit from some of that. One of the best things I do with my current dogs is scentwork - I find it to be the MOST tiring activity I can do with them, and the most rewarding for them. We do K9 Nosework competitively, but you don't have to compete to get the benefits. You can either teach it as a game you play around the house and yard, or you can do "sniffing" walks, or there are other ways to incorporate it, too. Feel free to PM me for more details, but there are actually some great new studies that show how much scentwork can actually DECREASE arousal in dogs (this is a link to one that focuses on dog reactivity, but you can extrapolate: https://wheresyoursit.wordpress.com/...og-reactivity/). The best part is how easy it is to do scentwork even if the human has mobility limitations.

Second, I'd also highly, HIGHLY recommend the book, "Fired up, Frantic, and Freaked out!" by Laura Baugh. It has some REALLY simple exercises that are super helpful for teaching dogs self control and helping to give you that nice on/off switch. I've used it and it really works.

Third, in this circumstance, I think you might actually be in a good situation to add another dog. Would you be able to give it a test run for a couple of weeks and see how it goes? Kind of "foster" her for 2 or 3 weeks and see? It sounds like you do a lot of work and training with your current dog and maybe he would benefit from a stable playmate, assuming you can continue his training and work and also assuming the two of them mesh well as a pair.


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Nosework is fun. I like the method taught by the Fenzi Dog Sports Academy. Their Intro to Nosework class in the April session. Fenzi Dog Sports Academy - NW101: Introduction to Nosework

If you get hooked, and decide you want to compete, there are several organizations that offer titles, including the AKC, who's program will start later this year.


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I agree with of the previous posters on having two Dobes. More than twice the work, etc. but also more than twice the enjoyment, as well!
(Also, don't forget twice the neediness- a.k.a Velcro)

As mentioned it's best to play with and train the Dobes separately, for if you have a play hog (like our Spock) he wants to butt in on all human-dog play with other dogs...

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[youtube="Wrestlemania"]pgVN-HBzcLc[/youtube]


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[youtube="Dober Kisses"]oXhyUD81BQc[/youtube]


However, whenever there is an unknown noise, a rogue cat, squirrel or any other perceived threat at our house- the Dobes (& Lanah) always work together as a unified team... (ergo my Avatar)
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people who say no more than one dobe dont know how to train properly. i have many friend's with 2+ and none are fixed. i have one and am getting another once i find a good euro breeder.. this one will be highly trained to a k9security level though. its not the dog its the owner
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people who say no more than one dobe dont know how to train properly. i have many friend's with 2+ and none are fixed. i have one and am getting another once i find a good euro breeder.. this one will be highly trained to a k9security level though. its not the dog its the owner
Ummm... just for the record, most of the people who posted in this thread have more than one dog (more than one Dobe, even). The main concern we put forth was if the OP was expecting the new dog to do all the work of calming down and wearing out the first dog.

And that "it's not the dog, it's the owner" isn't realistic, since it takes the dog's genetics and innate temperament out of the equation.
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What Rosemary said ^^^^^ (emphatically).

I have raised multiple males several times, yet I would never recommend that to the average owner. My experiences have run the gamut from "ideal" to "horrible". One must enter into setting up a two male Doberman household with eyes wide open, aware of all the potential pitfalls and willing to accept the consequences and have a plan to insure the well being of the dogs and the entire household should things go South.

Our worst experience was with a Dobe and a Boxer. Two years apart in age.... Best of friends in every sense. Suddenly deadly enemies after 5 years of sleeping together, sharing toys and bowls and basically being inseparable. This situation degenerated to the classic "crate and rotate" for the remaining few years of the Doberman's life. Our best was with two male Dobes, raised 3 years apart. Never a spat. However, I will have to say that the older was a 95 lb. stoic boy who was truly the only actual alpha I have ever known. He never barked or growled, yet all other dogs, even the most aggressive gave him a wide berth

Currently, our boys generally get along well. The older (who is actually owned by my son) will put McCoy in his place if needed and to date McCoy seem to pretty much accept it. That being said, they are never left together unsupervised. Too much left to chance.

6 different dogs, same environment, 3 different relationships. So... My opinion is that is very much the individual dog(s) when it comes to SSA. Not exclusively, yet, I would say primarily

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