Diamond coated carbide dremel head - Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums
Doberman Related Chat If your post does not fit into any other category post here.

 5Likes
  • 1 Post By TNfisher
  • 1 Post By ShelianDobe
  • 2 Post By MeadowCat
  • 1 Post By melbrod
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-12-2017, 05:44 PM Thread Starter
Alpha
 
TNfisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 3,172
Location: Middle TN
Dogs Name: Mocha
Titles: CGC
Dogs Age: DOB 3/21/2014
Gallery Pics: 2
Visit TNfisher's Gallery
Thanks: 18,308
Thanked 14,378 Times in 2,949 Posts
Images: 2
                     
Click here to find out how TNfisher became a supporter
Diamond coated carbide dremel head

Someone on FB posted a link to the very expensive Diamagroove rotary tool ($150, whew!) and a few other folks piped up about cheaper alternatives so I started doing some Googling. Have any of you ever used dremel heads like this one, or this one, and if so, what are your thoughts? Are they really better and cooler than a traditional sandpaper head?
NoBite likes this.



She is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are her life, her love, her leader.
She will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of her heart. You owe it to her to be worthy of such devotion.
- Author Unknown
TNfisher is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to TNfisher For This Useful Post:
Beaumont67 (01-13-2017)
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-12-2017, 08:16 PM
Alpha
 
eegreen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 7,551
Location: Pennsylvania
Dogs Name: Indy, Helo
Titles: Indy CGC, CW-SP, CW-SD, CW-SI, Helo
Dogs Age: Indy 7/4/08 - 3/19/18, Helo 3/4/19
Gallery Pics: 4
Visit eegreen's Gallery
Thanks: 23,083
Thanked 11,620 Times in 5,906 Posts
Images: 4
                     
Wow, I would think it would get too hot. I'll stick to the 75 grit sand paper heads
eegreen is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to eegreen For This Useful Post:
TNfisher (01-12-2017)
post #3 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-12-2017, 08:50 PM
Alpha
 
ShelianDobe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,699
Location: Upstate South Carolina
Dogs Name: Wheeler, Spock, Fame, Whisper, Gritz
Titles: Wheeler - AKC GCH/UKC CH, RO3. Spock - AKC/UKC CH. Fame - AKC/UKC CH.
Dogs Age: Wheeler: 11/13/08 Spock: 07/10/13 Fame: 07/10/13
Gallery Pics: 17
Visit ShelianDobe's Gallery
Thanks: 3,246
Thanked 13,658 Times in 3,458 Posts
Images: 17
                     
I have one, but never use it. It works but takes much longer, than the sandpaper.
NoBite likes this.


Shelly Wing
SHELIAN DOBERMANS
AKC GCH/UKC CH, RO3 Lyndobe's Wheel of Fortune, NTD "Wheeler" 2008-2020
AKC UKC CH Windsong's Fortune Hunter v Shelian, "Spock"
AKC UKC CH Windsong's Fame N Fortune v Shelian, "Fame"
AKC Ptd/UKC CH Shelian's Fifty Shades of Fame v Windsong, "Shade"
Shelian's A Thousand Words "Whisper"
Shelian's Words of Peace CGC BN CD RN "Olive"
Tolivar's Kiss My Gritz @Shelian v Irongate "Gritz"
www.sheliandobe.com
ShelianDobe is offline  
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to ShelianDobe For This Useful Post:
Beaumont67 (01-12-2017), dobegal (01-13-2017), MeadowCat (01-13-2017), melbrod (01-12-2017), TNfisher (01-12-2017)
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-12-2017, 08:51 PM
Eschew Prolixity
 
melbrod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 24,033
Location: Colorado
Dogs Name: Ori AKA Harold DogDog (Hairy Dog), RIP Caesar, Katana, Kip, Capri
Titles: DogDog Mouthe Extraordinaire; Kip Mr. Behavior; Capri Mis-Behavior
Dogs Age: DogDog 3 yrs?; RIP Kip 11 yrs; Capri 7 yrs; Katana 9 yrs; Caesar 13 yrs
Gallery Pics: 6
Visit melbrod's Gallery
Thanks: 80,794
Thanked 65,595 Times in 19,759 Posts
Images: 6
                     
Click here to find out how melbrod became a supporter
The ad blurb says the wheel won’t rip apart, or splinter the nails like a sandpaper head will. I don’t think I’ve ever had a nail splinter while dremeling (maybe a very thin flake will come off the side of the nail, but never anything harmful to the dog), and all I’ve ever had the wheel do is get worn enough that I replace it.

I suppose it would be an advantage to have less vibration, and less dust if you grind the nails wet--maybe for a professional groomer who does a lot of nails--but for my piddling little bit of nail grinding, I don’t think I’d bother.
melbrod is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to melbrod For This Useful Post:
TNfisher (01-12-2017)
post #5 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-12-2017, 10:18 PM
Got mutt?
 
Rosemary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 13,423
Location: Southeast Texas
Dogs Name: Leo (GSD); Lily (APBT)
Titles: They do, and are working on more
Dogs Age: Leo 7; Lily 5; Ilka 2009-2017; Lucky 2000-2014
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Rosemary's Gallery
Thanks: 40,008
Thanked 32,453 Times in 10,659 Posts
                     
Was it in the nail maintenance group? I know that several people there have mentioned using diamond tips on their dremel.


~~The Current Hellhounds~~
ADP-CH Lily Dale- A Melody Unchained ETD PKD-T PKD-N ADP-L1(Pr)/L2(Pr)/L3(Pr)/L2 (GC) GPS-SST OD-WD3
S-ADP-CH CA Speed Queen Leontine Von Washateria ETD D-CRO-Preliminary PKD-T PKD-N S-ADP-L1(Pr)/L2(Pr)/3(Pr)/L2(GC) GPS-SST OD-WD3
~~Requiescat In Pace~~
Ilka Of Pear Orchard Cemetery BN RE CA CGC TKP ETD CRO-1 D-CRO-Preliminary NCO-1 PKD-T PKD-N S-ADP-L4 ~2009-2017~
Lucky Rat Dog CGC ~2000-2014~
“Dance as if no one who is qualified to commit you is watching!”
Rosemary is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Rosemary For This Useful Post:
TNfisher (01-13-2017)
post #6 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-12-2017, 11:45 PM
Super Moderator
 
greenkouki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 15,225
Location: SC

Gallery Pics: 77
Visit greenkouki's Gallery
Thanks: 20,248
Thanked 31,662 Times in 10,180 Posts
Images: 77
                     
Click here to find out how greenkouki became a supporter
greenkouki is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to greenkouki For This Useful Post:
TNfisher (01-13-2017)
post #7 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-13-2017, 11:24 AM
Super Moderator
 
MeadowCat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 20,649
Location: MN
Dogs Name: Richter; Sypha; RIP Shanoa & Simon
Titles: Richter: CAA L1V NW1 L1I L1E L1C NW2 L2V ACT1 RATI WAC; Sypha: NW1 NW2 L1C L1V L1E RATI SOG WAC
Dogs Age: d.o.b. 7/13/2012; d.o.b. 12/6/2015
Gallery Pics: 1
Visit MeadowCat's Gallery
Thanks: 49,349
Thanked 63,269 Times in 16,927 Posts
Images: 1
                     
Click here to find out how MeadowCat became a supporter
I also have one (didn't spend that much), and was disappointed. The only advantage I found it to have was less dust. I agree with Shelian - it takes longer to dremel nails. I tend to prefer a pretty gritty dremel - I use 60 grit - so I can get nails done quickly. I also didn't like the feature that some have at the tip, where there's a depression that is supposed to let you "round" the tip of the nail. That only made the top of my dogs' nails more pointy. Maybe it works with small breed nails, but not with Dobes I personally think it's not worth it.
NoBite and ShelianDobe like this.


DSC_0133
by Shanoa Delta, on Flickr

Richter & Sypha
Glengate's Mountain Fortress CAA ORT L1E L1C NW2 L2V L2I ACT1 RATI SOG WAC
& Sirai's Golden Masquerade ORT L1V L1E L2C L2I NW2 RATI SOG DOG TKN WAC
“You cannot get through a single day without having an impact on the world around you.
What you do makes a difference, and you have to decide what kind of difference you want to make.”
― Jane Goodall
MeadowCat is offline  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to MeadowCat For This Useful Post:
Beaumont67 (01-13-2017), melbrod (01-13-2017), TNfisher (01-13-2017)
post #8 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-13-2017, 12:14 PM Thread Starter
Alpha
 
TNfisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 3,172
Location: Middle TN
Dogs Name: Mocha
Titles: CGC
Dogs Age: DOB 3/21/2014
Gallery Pics: 2
Visit TNfisher's Gallery
Thanks: 18,308
Thanked 14,378 Times in 2,949 Posts
Images: 2
                     
Click here to find out how TNfisher became a supporter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosemary View Post
Was it in the nail maintenance group? I know that several people there have mentioned using diamond tips on their dremel.
No this was in one of the Doberman groups.



She is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are her life, her love, her leader.
She will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of her heart. You owe it to her to be worthy of such devotion.
- Author Unknown
TNfisher is offline  
post #9 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-13-2017, 09:27 PM
Alpha
 
Beaumont67's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 11,703
Location: St. Thomas, Ontario
Dogs Name: Kelly
Titles: CD Obedience & Therapy
Dogs Age: puppy
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Beaumont67's Gallery
Thanks: 61,313
Thanked 26,942 Times in 9,695 Posts
                     
30 years - I was employed in the abrasive & diamond business, a testing/purchasing buyer for several different diamond styles (from single points, impregnated, clusters to coated) - in a high precision grind industry, for an automotive parts manufacturer.
- this diamond nail tool is way over priced, at $150 each
- diamond dust is a by-product of sharpening new tool points
- the small particles get added into a bonding matrix, and a coated diamond tool is made
- quite inexpensive really, once the tooling blanks are turned

Just because the tool is diamond, does not guarantee effectiveness.
- proper feeds and tool speeds, must be balanced & process Engineered to the stock removal chip
- in our high speed grind operation, heat was always the devil
When the diamond wheel is overly hard, machine rigidity starts to fail - as product chatter results.

^^ As I relate this to dog nail trimming, I'd stick to the 60 grit Dremel sanding drums.
- but 2 seconds max. duration per nail & rotate / again, grind heat is always the enemy

Back in 1977 we got our Tanya and invested in professional nail clippers.
- these were USA made and precision ground, to a mirror polish
- unfortunately, we waited 14 years for puppy #2 and awesome clippers got lost
Now most clippers are offshore crap, cutting edge is poorly ground / like cutting a nice steak with a dull knife.
- I wish high quality nail clippers, could be manufactured again...maybe a Trump fan, can get it done...

------------Kelly & (Amy - RIP @ 11.7 y/o)

Last edited by Beaumont67; 01-13-2017 at 09:56 PM.
Beaumont67 is online now  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Beaumont67 For This Useful Post:
NoBite (01-14-2017), TNfisher (01-14-2017)
post #10 of 16 (permalink) Old 04-20-2018, 09:38 AM
Dobes Dobles +1
 
spocksdad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,332
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Dogs Name: Sunking's Spock- Dobe/ Eva -HADR Rescue Dobe/ Lanah- Mini Mutt/ RIP-Lillah- ChiTerrierX
Titles: Spock CGC, PP Therapy Dog, Eva PP Therapy Dog
Dogs Age: 9/9/5
Gallery Pics: 1
Visit spocksdad's Gallery
Thanks: 15,055
Thanked 15,406 Times in 3,119 Posts
Images: 1
                     
Click here to find out how spocksdad became a supporter
Update- Structured Tungsten Carbide Dremel Bit Experience

As an update to this previous thread about Diamond Dremel bits....

Purchased this Dremel #9933 "Structured Tungsten Carbide" bit off Amazon after reading some positive customer reviews stating good for dog nail trimming. At $9.99 ea, decided it was worth a chance.

https://amazon.com/gp/product/B00004UDJX/


Like other DT Dremelers, I have been using the 1/2" Dia x 60 grit sanding wheels, which require changing periodically, but are dirt cheap.
Here's my experience with Eva, whose nails grow like weeds and require weekly maintenance:


Dremel "Structured Tungsten Carbide" 5/16" Dia. Bit




My Preferred Dremel Tool Used- 8V Dremel Micro, Variable Speed, Rechargeable



Eva Loves Having Nails Done- Pampering and Treats Together!



Dremel Nail Technique- 2-Passes Bottom First, Multiple Passes Top Front as Needed, Finish by Beveling Each Corner (piece of kibble after each paw pass)



Finished Front Paw Closeup



Apply Gold Bond Lotion to Nails and Pads
(or use Tractor Supply Udder Balm)




After Nail Session, Eva Strikes the Classic Dober Crossed-Leg Pose!




But Now It's Time for My Beauty Sleep!




1/2" 60 Grit Sanding Drums vs. 5/16" Structured Tungsten Carbide Bits Conclusions

1. Carbide Bits cut faster than Sanding drums with minimal heat buildup-Big Advantage

2. Use 10K RPM for carbide bit vs. 15K RPM for sanding drum due to faster cutting- quieter to not scare animal.

3. Smaller diameter 5/16" carbide bit must be moved more to cover large nail surface- Recommend ONLY for experienced Dremel sanding drum users.

4. No clogging or wear down of Structured Tungsten Carbide bit observed after 2-sessions. (not so with Diamond grit bits as discussed earlier in thread) (Bit pictures above taken after sessions)

5. Ideal Structured Tungsten Carbide bit for Dog Nails would be 1/2" dia., but don't see available after limited searching.- I will write to Dremel to suggest for dog nails to make mega $$.


Ten Doberman Rules
Poke Everything.
It's New? Bark At It.
Moves? Chase It.
Doesn't Move? Smell It.
Liquid? Spill and Dribble It.
Treat or Food? Wolf It Down.
Not Food? Chew It Slowly, Be Quiet & Hide From Human.
A Toy? Shred & Destroy It.
Stuffed? De-Stuff It.
Bites You Back? Wrestle It!

Last edited by spocksdad; 04-20-2018 at 10:03 AM.
spocksdad is online now  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to spocksdad For This Useful Post:
Beaumont67 (04-20-2018), melbrod (04-20-2018), Rosemary (04-20-2018)
post #11 of 16 (permalink) Old 04-20-2018, 10:18 AM
Eschew Prolixity
 
melbrod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 24,033
Location: Colorado
Dogs Name: Ori AKA Harold DogDog (Hairy Dog), RIP Caesar, Katana, Kip, Capri
Titles: DogDog Mouthe Extraordinaire; Kip Mr. Behavior; Capri Mis-Behavior
Dogs Age: DogDog 3 yrs?; RIP Kip 11 yrs; Capri 7 yrs; Katana 9 yrs; Caesar 13 yrs
Gallery Pics: 6
Visit melbrod's Gallery
Thanks: 80,794
Thanked 65,595 Times in 19,759 Posts
Images: 6
                     
Click here to find out how melbrod became a supporter
You forgot the nail polish. That crossed-legged pose is just asking for it.

I think glitter would be nice. There are so many colors to choose from.


Elite99
RADAR2017 likes this.
melbrod is offline  
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to melbrod For This Useful Post:
Beaumont67 (04-20-2018), LadyDi (04-22-2020), Rosemary (04-20-2018), spocksdad (04-20-2018)
post #12 of 16 (permalink) Old 04-20-2018, 05:20 PM
Alpha
 
Dobe_Mom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,152
Location: New England
Dogs Name: Jossie, Jessie, Kayla, Mya, Prophet
Titles: GCH, CH, CGC, WAC, CA, CAA
Dogs Age: 9, 6, 3, 2, 18 months
Gallery Pics: 2
Visit Dobe_Mom's Gallery
Thanks: 6,106
Thanked 8,167 Times in 1,825 Posts
Images: 2
                     
LOL, I guess I am in the minority that LOVES the Diamagroove. Yes it is outrageously expensive and there's a learning curve on how to use it. But I love love love it and you will pry it from my cold, dead hands. I do 5 dobermans 2-3 times a week with it and it saves me lots of time.

Dobe_Mom is offline  
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Dobe_Mom For This Useful Post:
greenkouki (04-21-2018), LadyDi (04-22-2020), melbrod (04-20-2018), Rosemary (04-20-2018), spocksdad (04-20-2018)
post #13 of 16 (permalink) Old 04-20-2018, 09:27 PM
sandy2233
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,418
Location: Wyoming
Dogs Name: SE
Titles: CGC, BN, PCD, CD, UDC-CD, WAE, BH
Dogs Age: March 12, 2015
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit sandy2233's Gallery
Thanks: 4,266
Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,634 Posts
                     
Click here to find out how sandy2233 became a supporter
I use a dremel that was purchased from groomers mall. Sandpaper disc and it holds up well. I do dogs all day with it and love it. About $70.00
sandy2233 is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to sandy2233 For This Useful Post:
LadyDi (04-22-2020), spocksdad (04-21-2018)
post #14 of 16 (permalink) Old 04-21-2018, 04:54 PM
Alpha
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 9,004

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit dobebug's Gallery
Thanks: 14,819
Thanked 29,191 Times in 7,178 Posts
                     
I've been using sanding bands on Dremels since 1993 (60 grit) and have no problems with overheating (but I don't use extremely high speeds nor do I work on one nail for a long time).

I'm not sure where the first discussion of the diamondfrove type heads that I saw was--maybe here or maybe one of the now defunct Dobe lists but I didn't even bother to look into them because of 1) cost and 2) too many people commenting on less than successful results.

I actually like the look of Spocksdad's "Structured Tungsten Carbide" tool but I'd definitely prefer a larger diameter and I'm probably not going to change what I use now since I'm down to one dog and the sanding bands work fine--I do nails once a week and that keeps them very short. I'm still using a standard sized Dremel but this one isn't fully variable speed but does have 10 speeds which works fine for my application. I prefer and only use corded Dremels--mainly because most of the time I have had multiple dogs and none of the battery operated ones I tried managed to make it through nails on 4 Dobes --most of them needed recharging by the second dog.
dobebug is online now  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to dobebug For This Useful Post:
LadyDi (04-22-2020), spocksdad (04-22-2018)
post #15 of 16 (permalink) Old 04-21-2018, 07:00 PM
Super Moderator
 
greenkouki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 15,225
Location: SC

Gallery Pics: 77
Visit greenkouki's Gallery
Thanks: 20,248
Thanked 31,662 Times in 10,180 Posts
Images: 77
                     
Click here to find out how greenkouki became a supporter
I was skeptical until I used the diamagroove. The best part about it is you no longer need to use a collet on the dremel. The attachment just threads directly onto the body. This means no vibration ever. I still haven't bit the $150 bullet to get my own.
greenkouki is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to greenkouki For This Useful Post:
LadyDi (04-22-2020), spocksdad (04-22-2018)
post #16 of 16 (permalink) Old 04-22-2018, 02:38 PM
Alpha
 
LadyDi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 6,164
Location: Florida
Dogs Name: Hoss
Titles: Proud European Doberman
Dogs Age: 3
Gallery Pics: 4
Visit LadyDi's Gallery
Thanks: 41,786
Thanked 18,340 Times in 5,353 Posts
Images: 4
                     
Click here to find out how LadyDi became a supporter
Quote:
Originally Posted by spocksdad View Post
As an update to this previous thread about Diamond Dremel bits....

Purchased this Dremel #9933 "Structured Tungsten Carbide" bit off Amazon after reading some positive customer reviews stating good for dog nail trimming. At $9.99 ea, decided it was worth a chance.

https://amazon.com/gp/product/B00004UDJX/


Like other DT Dremelers, I have been using the 1/2" Dia x 60 grit sanding wheels, which require changing periodically, but are dirt cheap.



Here's my experience with Eva, whose nails grow like weeds and require weekly maintenance:


Dremel "Structured Tungsten Carbide" 5/16" Dia. Bit




My Preferred Dremel Tool Used- 8V Dremel Micro, Variable Speed, Rechargeable



Eva Loves Having Nails Done- Pampering and Treats Together!



Dremel Nail Technique- 2-Passes Bottom First, Multiple Passes Top Front as Needed, Finish by Beveling Each Corner (piece of kibble after each paw pass)



Finished Front Paw Closeup



Apply Gold Bond Lotion to Nails and Pads
(or use Tractor Supply Udder Balm)




After Nail Session, Eva Strikes the Classic Dober Crossed-Leg Pose!




But Now It's Time for My Beauty Sleep!




1/2" 60 Grit Sanding Drums vs. 5/16" Structured Tungsten Carbide Bits Conclusions

1. Carbide Bits cut faster than Sanding drums with minimal heat buildup-Big Advantage

2. Use 10K RPM for carbide bit vs. 15K RPM for sanding drum due to faster cutting- quieter to not scare animal.

3. Smaller diameter 5/16" carbide bit must be moved more to cover large nail surface- Recommend ONLY for experienced Dremel sanding drum users.

4. No clogging or wear down of Structured Tungsten Carbide bit observed after 2-sessions. (not so with Diamond grit bits as discussed earlier in thread) (Bit pictures above taken after sessions)

5. Ideal Structured Tungsten Carbide bit for Dog Nails would be 1/2" dia., but don't see available after limited searching.- I will write to Dremel to suggest for dog nails to make mega $$.
Thanks for the tip regarding goldbond works great.

Hoss
LadyDi is online now  
The Following User Says Thank You to LadyDi For This Useful Post:
spocksdad (04-22-2018)
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome