...It sounds to me that because for whatever reason you're unable to finish her, reputable breeders won't breed with a known byb bitch...
DingDingDing, I believe we have a winner!
Well, it probably doesn't end there. I've also been warned by a handful of folks that no reputable breeder will give me the time of day, no matter what work I put into finishing Kor, unless I spay Kira, because has no branded kennel bloodlines for a few generations back in her pedigree. Any potential breeding viability of an animal who has non-branded bloodlines must be sacrificed to demonstrate loyalty to the clique.
The irony of this is that Linda, Gretchen's breeder, had apparently run into a similar situation, where she was being snubbed by "reputable breeders", because she wasn't part of the clique, it didn't matter that she was showing and earning titles (I think she was doing this from statements she herself made to me).
I heard tell of an unsavory incident in which she mislead a "reputable breeder" in order to acquire a dog with a fancy pedigree to use as breeding stock because nobody with a branded bloodline would have anything to do with her as long as she owned any unspayed bitches who were not of a branded bloodline, even though she was trying to make a name for her own bloodline.
I have more than general interest in this situation because I acquired my first Doberman from Linda as a rehome, under similar circumstances to this very thread-- Linda was showing her and tried to breed her, but she wouldn't settle and was also extremely SSA towards her mother and sisters. Linda did not feel it was fair to her that she couldn't let her loose with the other Dobes all day, she treated her dogs like family, not caged hens. An infertile, SSA bitch just wasn't fitting-in to her plans very well at that time. Her first rehoming effort didn't succeed, but she had her spayed at that point and I provided her a forever home.
I guess it was a positive outcome all in all, for me, for my first Dobe, and for Linda.
There's another member here, member of the DPCA, who not-too-long-ago rehomed one of her well-used breeding bitches once her breeding career was over. I honestly don't remember if she said anything about it here, maybe that was only on the "other forum", but that didn't set any better with me than any of her other bad practices. She's despicable, and frequently demonstrates that a leopard cannot change its spots.
It's much the same with this situation, here. While the outcome may be a win for all parties involved, rehoming one's own dog speaks to their loyalty and character.
I'm a very pragmatic individual, but sentimentality can be one of my greatest weaknesses. I want to say it's always for the best to find a new home for a dog when you can't give them the qualtiy of life they deserve, and for Dobes, that very much includes presence. The decision to rehome Gretchen seems reasonably pragmatic, but my maudlin side must remain adamant that such disloyalty, chosen rather than dicated by circumstances beyond one's control, is one of those things which will lead to regret.
This is the regret which is hardest to live with, that you did not realize what you had until she's gone.
You may want to review Mav's lines again- his dam is mostly euro show lines and not true euro working lines, as evidenced by the Royal Bell, Wantij, and del Citone dogs in her pedigree. I am not saying this is bad- my dog has many of the same dogs in his pedigree (as he is mostly euro show himself with a little bit of euro work) and I cannot run out of good things to say about my experience with Mav's breeder- but I am saying that Mav is not half euro working lines by a large amount. Just because he does not have any of those particular names in his pedigree does not mean he does not have concerning dogs- Gino Gomez (who is also in my dog's pedigree) is another popular euro show sire that is blamed by many for the spread of DCM and is fairly close in Mav's line. Not to say that AmShow lines don't have their own popular sires with DCM either- just that it seems you only focus on euro dogs that carry it without acknowledging that both show lines in this country their own popular sires and DCM riddled pedigrees.
Very well explained. I think what it boils down to is that everyone feels better about themselves if they can point to a scapegoat for this, that, or the other thing to think they're safe and it could never happen to them. Sure, there were problems with DCM in Gino Gomez' descendants, but there are generations and branches which seem to have been skipped. DCM is everywhere in the breed and if someone has figured out how to avoid it by following (or avoiding) specific bloodlines, it probably wouldn't be a problem anymore.
I haven't posted in a while. I forgot my password and didn't bother to retrieve it, because quite frankly, I got tired of being chastised and condescended to by long term members because my research and choice of breeder for a pet didn't live up to their impossibly high expectations. I've seen so many new and potential Doberman owners get run off of here when they asked questions and felt they had to defend themselves. I've lurked, but had to update my password because of this thread.
I hope the tide is turning. I do my best to encourage people not to be run-off, not to think they owe any apologies, and not to be ashamed of their dog just because a number of folks here act like BMW owners when it comes to the importance of the names on dogs' pedigrees.
I'm a firm believer in judging breeders on their own behavior & results. Do they do right by the dogs in their care? Are their breeding practices concerning? Are things just not working-out favorably for an inordinate number of their puppy buyers?
I judge dogs I see on what they are and the sorts of problems they may have. There is nothing about a dog's pedigree or breeder, short of documented hereditary problems, which inherently makes it genetic garbage that should not be bred.
Only the "newbies" who are trolling from the "other forum" and/or the "Beware of DT" crowd are worthy of being ridiculed and run-off, but they're usually easy to spot because their defense of particularly bad breeders and bad breeding practices is just so over-the-top.