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My boy will be 2 yrs June 2nd and is 28 in. at the shoulder. Would like a heavier build, large bold face, and more height.
Well bred European dobes aren't any taller, in fact the breed standard is very similar for US. The standard calls for a Doberman to be a medium sized breed. Anything outside of the standard is setting you up for health issues.

Here's the FCI standard for Dobermans: Height at withers : Males : 68 – 72 cm.= 26.7In. - 28.4in.

A heavier build comes with age and not neutering or spaying too early. I think the bone in the face is the same way but it also depends on the parents as well.

The problem isn't dependent on Euro or Amer. The two are more similar than commercial Euro breeders will have you think. The problem is spending the money and purchasing from a reputable breeder. I would advise you to go to a dog show and check out the Dobermans there so you can see what a well bred dobe looks like.
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My boy will be 2 yrs June 2nd and is 28 in. at the shoulder. Would like a heavier build, large bold face, and more height.
Ah, I misread his DOB. And at 28", he is at the top end of both the AKC and FCI standard.

This is a comparison of the FCI standard and the AKC standard.
FCI: SIZE AND WEIGHT :
Height at withers : Males : 68 – 72 cm. (26.77 – 28.35 in.)
Bitches : 63 – 68 cm. (24.80 – 26.77 in.)
Medium size desirable.
Weight : Males : about 40 – 45 kg. (88.18 – 99.21 lb.)
Bitches : about 32 – 35 kg. (70.55 – 77.16 lb.)

AKC: Height at the withers: Dogs 26 to 28 inches, ideal about 27 1/2 inches; Bitches 24 to 26 inches, ideal about 25 1/2 inches. The height, measured vertically from the ground to the highest point of the withers, equaling the length measured horizontally from the forechest to the rear projection of the upper thigh. Length of head, neck and legs in proportion to length and depth of body.

Most people in the US that say "Euro Dobermans are bigger than American Dobermans" are breeding oversized dogs, that don't fit either standard. Also, most European dogs are shown several (sometimes many)pounds over their ideal weight.

And to me, most European dogs have unattractively heavy heads, with no refinement.


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What M&D said ^^^^^

At he risk of sounding like a hypocrite, one really needs to be aware of the serious potential downside to running a two male household. I have done it and do today.

Still... unless you are completely on top of your dog game, it is something to be avoided. If you want the downside, you may PM me. My issues have already been laundry listed on DT.

Even under the best of circumstances, it introduces an entirely new perspective into dog ownership.

With respect to size, if your Jager is as you described, he is right where you should want him to be. He will probably 'muscle up" somewhat over the next year.
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Pinch collars should be worn up right behind the ears in order for it to be effective, when it is down low like the one in the picture dogs get use to it more muscle there they can still pull. May be pure breed just poorly bred.
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A two male household wouldn't be fun IMO. My b/f has a half euro working lines male and I have a half euro show lines male puppy. Very few incidents really, outside of having a typical annoying puppy. I would NEVER trust them alone even though his male is the least male aggressive dobe I've met. It only takes one incident to leave you with a scarred dog with a long night at the vet.
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A gay couple just moved into my neighborhood with a pair of dobermans. Each guy "owns" one of the dogs. One is an intact Euro male from working lines. The man went to Europe and got his puppy personally. I do not remember where from. The other is a cut/neutered American male from show lines. They walk them around the neighborhood and I've never seen dogs so well behaved. The Euro's owner did say that it was challenging having both together but it was not unmanageable.

I'll try to get pics to help show a good comparison. As mentioned, they are both the same height. The Euro does weigh a little more but for me the biggest differences are: Euros has a blockier/wider head/snout. He's broader and his hindquarters are thicker. He also has a deeper rust color. The American is more stream lined. I was able to tell the difference from about 20' away. Edit: Neither better, just a little different.

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