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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-20-2016, 10:03 PM Thread Starter
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Just by looking at an AKC certificate, are you able to get some type of info that would help in deciding on whether or not to purchase?
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There are a ton of factors to consider when you purchase a puppy from a reputable ethical breeder. AKC paperwork alone is not enough. Please have a look at the "sticky" topics in the breeder and puppy forums as well as the public education articles on the dpca.org website
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Do you mean the parents' registration certificates, or the puppy registration application? For starters, the dog's names, and their sires and dams, and their breeder(s). That right there will give you quite a bit of information as a starting point.

If they don't have puppy papers, and one (or both) of the parents have an orange border on their registration certificate, that means that they are on limited registration, and the puppies are ineligible for registration. You never want to buy from anyone who breeds a limited registration dog.


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If the registration certificate begins with WZ don't buy the puppy. The Z means the dog may carry a genetic defect of being albino. These dogs were inbred a lot in the beginning and can have temperament problems. Also, the people that breed them are not reputable and not someone with the doberman breed's best interest in mind.

If you are asking this type question though, you really should educate yourself more before purchasing a doberman puppy so you don't purchase one with health problems or get totally scammed out of your money altogether. Do please read the sticky links that greenkouki suggested.

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There are A number of horrible backyard breeders in Texas so please beware! Who is selling the puppy you are considering? Kennel name?

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Her name is Diamond Chanel Taylor #WS50824302, breeder Ricardo Moreno
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I am sticking my neck on the chopping block here.

Just because a dog is AKC registered, doesn't mean that dog is breeding stock. That is where the backyard breeders come into play.

Beat me up everyone!
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I am sticking my neck on the chopping block here.

Just because a dog is AKC registered, doesn't mean that dog is breeding stock. That is where the backyard breeders come into play.

Beat me up everyone!
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Breeder: Ricardo Moreno, Dog's name Diamond Chanel Tayloy, #WS50824302

Is this the dog or puppy you're thinking of buying? What's the story? I mean if you're coming here asking whether to buy a random dog or not, I'm not sure what you expect of us.

I, again, suggest you take time to educate yourself BEFORE buying a doberman. They can have a lot of health problems with DCM killing 50%.

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Why would anyone here "beat you up" for saying that? I dare say that most of us are of the same opinion.
Because my supervisor at work tried to have a disagreement with me when I made that statement at work. This was coming from a woman who doesn't believe dogs belong in the house!!! I work with a bunch of dumb arses! That is as far as I can go with that, without being banned from this site.
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Thank God the phone rang and I had to take care of a customer.
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Are the parents health tested for Thryroid, vWD, holter monitoring and echoing for early DCM detection?, how are their hips and elbows? Eyes?....

Are the parents titled in some venue?

If you answered no to either of these I'd stay away.
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Diamond (7 month old) is the one I'm thinking about purchasing
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Diamond (7 month old) is the one I'm thinking about purchasing
Who are her sire and dam? Does her breeder have a kennel name?


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Not a puppy I would buy.
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If you're putting money down on this dog, I'd walk away and go to a better breeder. Sometimes legitimate breeders have an older puppy or young adult that they're looking to rehome if you're not looking for a fresh pup. Or go through rescue, there's plenty of good dogs that need homes.

This breeder isn't anything to be desired. AKC papers don't mean much unless there's health testing and titles to back the dog up.

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The pedigree looks like people breeding pet dogs, with no titles, and likely no health testing. This thread https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...-want-pet.html talks about why it's important to get a dog from a good breeder, even if all you want is a family pet.

This thread https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...ed-my-dog.html will give you some more information about what to look for in a breeder, and this one https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...documents.html goes into more detail about what you want to see for health testing.


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GiGi, I'd pass. This is the typical pedigree of a line of backyard-bred dogs, and that's not said to be snotty, but rather as a warning.

The Doberman is sooooo not a breed to buy from someone who does not know what they are doing, and is not ethical and intelligent in the way they breed.

Inherited heart disease is so epidemic in the breed, that the better breeders screen their parent dogs at least once per year, with canine cardiology specialists, PRIOR to breeding them.

A regular vet visit means nothing, in terms of ruling that out, and if this guy selling this pup tries to reassure you with that, don't let him fool you.

It is super expensive, on both the heart and the wallet, to watch your Doberman die young and miserably, with heart disease--or any of the many other issues in the breed.

Try to protect yourself from stumbling down that path. Folks here will help you, if you give a general location and ask.




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GiGi,

Whichever route you take, prepare to get your heart broken. All animals do it to a person, in my humble opinion.

Be knowledgeable about the Doberman breed. Be an ambassador FOR the breed. Dobes need all the help they can get when it comes correcting stereotypes, and such. And the list goes on and on.

I so love Dobies!

Everyone with pups, needs to stop showing me pictures of babies!

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I have decided not to get the puppy, but will continue to look for our next fur baby dobie to add to our crew. Thanks for everyone's input, I have learned so much
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Is that a Rattie in the middle? I had a Standard Rattie for almost 14 years. He was a good little doggie.

Where in Texas are you located, and how far are you willing to travel to get a pup? There is currently a litter on the ground in the Houston area. I don't know if they are spoken for yet, but check out this thread. https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...pups-here.html


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CA Speed Queen Leontine Von Washateria ETD D-CRO-Preliminary PKD-T PKD-N S-ADP-L5/CH/L1(Pr)/L2(Pr)/L1 GC GPS-EST OD-WD3
~~Requiescat In Pace~~
Ilka Of Pear Orchard Cemetery BN RE CA CGC TKP ETD CRO-1 D-CRO-Preliminary NCO-1 PKD-T PKD-N S-ADP-L4 ~2009-2017~
Lucky Rat Dog CGC ~2000-2014~
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