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Question Is There Such Thing As Same Age Aggression?

I was gone for a while and now back on DT. I need some advice and was wondering if there is such a thing as same age aggression. I have four dogs and for the most part they get along. However, I had my 3 dobes which consisted of 1 male and 2 females and then I rescued a female pitbull from our high kill shelter in town. I never had issues with having multiple females, but what I never had before were two dogs of the same age. It turned out that the pitbull (Mystique) is also the same age as my male dobe (Magnum). When I adopted Mystique she was 10 months old and so was Magnum at the time. Now both Mystique and Magnum just turned 2 years old and although they love to play with one another, they also have had some aggression issues. Mystique starts fights with Magnum and Magnum finishes them. We have had two ER visits with Mystique and she just keeps starting fights with Magnum. I was wondering if it could be because they are the same age. Obviously, we are being very careful with the two of them together. I am not looking forward to a life of crate and rotate. I am not having issues with any of the other dogs fighting. I would appreciate any information or advice on same age aggression, if such a thing exists. Sorry for such a long post.
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Is coming together at 10 months young enough to have littermate syndrome? My husband once had male and female pit siblings, the situation sounded pretty similar. It was his female who always started it too, she was the dominant sibling.
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Pitbulls are known for dog aggression (much like dobermans for same sex aggression) so my guess is that, that's what you're dealing with. Have you ruled out medical issues? It could also be poor breeding, given that she's a rescue and you don't know her lines or history.



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I was thinking the same thing about littermate syndrome. Or maybe a pitbull thing?
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She is healthy except she does keep getting some upset stomach issues where she had to have prescription food for a while, but that is cleared up and no other health issues. She seemed so submissive and we brought all our dogs to the shelter to meet with her before we decided to adopt her. Magnum seemed fine with her at the time and they love to play together (they are thick as thieves), but every now and then a fight breaks out and it is always Magnum and Mystique with Mystique starting it as far as we can see.
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Pitbulls are known for dog aggression (much like dobermans for same sex aggression) so my guess is that, that's what you're dealing with. Have you ruled out medical issues? It could also be poor breeding, given that she's a rescue and you don't know her lines or history.
I was trying to be careful when we decided to bring another dog into the mix. There were so many pitbulls at the shelter and Mystique was on her last days. This is my first non-doberman dog I have had in my adult life. I have had nothing but dobermans and I love the breed and their traits. I did research on pitbulls before getting Mystique and quite frankly I wanted a dog that would live longer than 7 or 8 years. I have been heartbroken the last few years losing Sheba (2012 within days of my Mother dying), Nitro (2013 the same day as when my Dad died), and Princess (2014 within days of my Mother-in-Law dying). I did get Magnum from a reputable breeder and he has a great temperament, but you are right in that I do not know anything about Mystique's background except she was in heat when she was at the shelter and was probably out looking for love when she was picked up and no one came to claim her. She is now spayed and Magnum is neutered.
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I love pit bulls. With the exception of a random shepherd, or my current two, I've always owned pit bulls growing up and in adult life. My brother and his pit bull come over almost every day to play with my two dogs.

With that being said: Patchwork Robot has a good point: pit bulls, as a general rule, are dog aggressive. They can be different age, different sex, pit bulls don't necessarily distinguish like most other dog breeds.

Now, that's not concrete. My brothers pit bull was rescued from being a bait dog at 6 months old. When she was 2 we all ended up living together for a while. No issues with her and my male lab/ pit mix. No issues with her and my female rottweiler mix. We brought in my sister in laws male Malinois and all hell broke lose between the males, but Nella had no part in it. But she's the exception to the rule.

We had a male and female pit living together when I was a kid. 98% of the time things were great. The other 2% was when money got tight, because all of the family's resources went to vet bills for one or both dogs. Eventually my parents rehomed the male, because it got to the point where a sideways glance turned into an all out brawl. It took time to get to that extent, but no ammount of monitoring/correcting could fix that once it started setting in.


Sorry this is so wordy! Just last thing: while pit bulls are great with people, they just usually do better as the only dog in the home. I hope things work out for you! Definitely keep an eye on things, never leave them alone together, and I wouldn't allow high energy play, as that may key Mistique up a bit. If her excitement level is high, that could also be another factor.

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Thank you KatieLeanne for the info on Pitbulls. I know they can be aggressive with other dogs, but I also know that not all Pitbulls are aggressive with other dogs. I was hoping Mystique was not one of the aggressive ones. I got her while she was only a pup (10 months) and she seemed so submissive. There are no issues with Mystique and the other two females (who are 3 and 9 years old), but now that Mystique and Magnum are 2 years old, I have to work hard to keep the peace between them. Mystique also does very well at doggie daycare with all kinds of other dogs! She does not go to doggie daycare with Magnum.
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You're welcome . Are there any other differences that may be causing it as well? Is your boy more hyper than your dobe girls? Does he try to engage in play with her more often, or not back off at her warning signals? Does he ever try to take toys from her? ( my doberman puppy tried to steal my rottweiler mix's toys *all* the time to engage in play with her. Unfortunately we all learned rather quickly she's a resource guarder with other dogs). Is he rude or pushy with her at all? Or does she ever try to play with the girls, or come up to you for affection, and he interjects or butt in? These could be some other reasons it's just between those two.
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You're welcome . Are there any other differences that may be causing it as well? Is your boy more hyper than your dobe girls? Does he try to engage in play with her more often, or not back off at her warning signals? Does he ever try to take toys from her? ( my doberman puppy tried to steal my rottweiler mix's toys *all* the time to engage in play with her. Unfortunately we all learned rather quickly she's a resource guarder with other dogs). Is he rude or pushy with her at all? Or does she ever try to play with the girls, or come up to you for affection, and he interjects or butt in? These could be some other reasons it's just between those two.
I have watched for signs when they fight, but it seems Mystique (female/Pitbull) will want to play when the others don't feel like it, but the other females warn her and she backs off. But with Magnum, she won't back off when he warns her and she will start fighting. She has taken his toys and he will back off and let her, but if she pushes and starts fighting, he will not back off and she gets the short end and he never gets hurt (he is about 90 lbs while she is 55 lbs). Mystique has had a pierced ear where we could not get the bleeding to stop and had to take her to the ER and a gash in her side that was not too deep and did not need stitches. I thought putting her in daycare would help with her hyperness and it has. They don't fight all the time and they seem closer to each other (as in they really like to play with one another). I have been working with both of them trying to let Magnum know that we humans will take care of Mystique if she misbehaves and he seems to get that now, but Mystique still won't back down if Magnum warns her. It may be the Pitbull in her.
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