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View Poll Results: What do you think about the trend toward longer docked tails?
I like the longer docked tails. 8 7.55%
I don't like the longer docked tails. 86 81.13%
I don't really care. 12 11.32%
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post #51 of 66 (permalink) Old 04-07-2014, 08:52 AM
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This is the "oddly too long" dock.
When Smokie was 8-10 weeks, it wasn't near as obvious as it is now that she is 15 weeks.


There was a good reason to state the tail to be docked from the second joint and this reason is very clear in the photo you posted..

if docked at the correct joint the tail would have looked like this..





which look do you prefer?

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There was a good reason to state the tail to be docked from the second joint and this reason is very clear in the photo you posted..

if docked at the correct joint the tail would have looked like this..





which look do you prefer?
Also, there is the issue of the slightly longer tail being very uncomfortable for the dog because it bumps on the ground. I remember clearly that there were a number of Weims that had this problem when we had our vet clinic.

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Ha, I didn't realize this was a "thing." Cajun's tail is way too long but she's the first I've seen at such an odd length, normally I see docks that are too short. She's an adult rehome so whatever, it is what it is, but it is the first thing I noticed about her! I feel like the length totally looks accidental or that it was amputated due to an injury or something.

It looks weird when she sits and I somehow always manage to get the leash stuck underneath it. Ah well, it's cute when she wags it.

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Maybe not straight away.............but its only a matter of time!!

Sooner or later AKC will also change their standard...

no need to argue over it......time will tell.
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There are so many other more important things to worry about than whether or not we crop/dock a dog!


in regards to the question I prefer a slightly longer tail, enough to get ahold of at the vet, other than that I stick with our standard.

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I think Creed's is a good length?

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I think it's worth noting that some Dobe's tails are long not because they were docked at the wrong vertebra but because the dogs have longer bones in general. My boy, for example, had his tail docked at the second vertebra, but it looks more like the third vertebra just because of his bone structure. His legs are too long, his back is too long, his neck is too long ... and so is his tail. But it's not because of a shift in tail-docking preferences; I think it's because of breeding choices that deviated from the standard.

I think the important thing with Dobe tails is that they are long enough to cover the dog's butt, if needed ... but not so long that the dog can sit on it. On a different dog, my boy's tail would be much too long but, on him, it's just the right length.
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I think Phoenix's tail is a bit on the long side. Her sisters had to have theirs redone at cropping time, but I guess hers wasn't quite as long. I do, however, prefer hers to a Rottweiler like Dock seen on some dogs. That being said, there is a poorly bred dobe up the street from me that has a a tail like a Weim, and it is docked at an odd angle--it looks amost injured :/
I think her tail looks a little shorter now as she has gotten some height and substance since these pics (she was under a year old in all of these)

What do you think? Too long?



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The thing that bothers me with a long dock is when it begins to show a curve--I like to see a straight tail (not a nub either) and if it is long enough that I can see the tail curving, it messes up the look to me.
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Maybe not straight away.............but its only a matter of time!!

Sooner or later AKC will also change their standard...

no need to argue over it......time will tell.
I highly doubt the AKC will be following suit any time soon. Cropping and docking are still legal in most of the Americas, and the AKC doesn't follow FCI's lead when it comes to changing breed standards, they own and set their own. Europe sets many policies and practices that are never adopted in North America, even after people say for sure it's to come. Freedom of choice here is valued more.

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Wow! I didn't even know these changes were taking place. I just know how I expect a Dobe to look. The only time I had a vet debate the length of a dock was when I I had an accidental litter between a German Shorthair and a Brittany Spaniel. The vet went in between.
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to me Phoenix's tail looks great. i hate the really short Rottweiler style tail. also the plus to a longer tail it makes a great handle.
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The thing that bothers me with a long dock is when it begins to show a curve--I like to see a straight tail (not a nub either) and if it is long enough that I can see the tail curving, it messes up the look to me.
This brings up a good point. In one of my breeds the breed standard states that the tail is "not over the back or a ring tail". With short docks there's no way to tell whether or not the tail is to standard, and even in some short docks it's very apparent that the tails in some lines have an obvious curve. Continuing along that trajectory the tails would evidently be carried either over the back or in a ring tail. I feel as though showing dogs in natural tails or longer docks would make it more apparent when tails are not to the standard. It's very possible to have the tail be relatively long before a curve is apparent.

Now, the logic may be that since the tail is always docked short that it doesn't particularly matter how the tail would look if not docked. However, the (original) purpose of conformation shows is to evaluate breeding stock. As such, I think that the natural tail status is quite relevant.

Someone brought up the point about being able to choose about docking (and cropping as well). The issue now is that due to bias in the show ring it's MUCH harder to finish a dog that is left natural when that's not typical (though allowed) in the breed. So, essentially, if you want your dog to really succeed you don't have that much of a choice. I absolutely think that docking/cropping should be a choice, but it should really be a CHOICE and bias should not be held against dogs that are docked/cropped or not.

All that said, I prefer slightly longer tails in dobes. Nothing too terribly long (at that point I'd rather tails in all breeds just be left natural), but definitely not just a little nub. I like there to be at least some indication as to the tail's shape, and I feel as though the dog looks more balanced when there's something back there.
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Phoenix is a really beautiful girl! But I prefer a shorter tail. ;-)
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This is a 5 or 6 year old thread. Don't even see a new post so what brought it up.

Yeah, it was interesting at the time but the AKC (via the DPCA) has not had a standard change for tail length in Dobes and I doubt that the DPCA will allow the standard to be opened--there is a reasonable concern that if the standard was opened for any reason AKC might insist that cropped ears (not so much disallowed )but that uncropped ears be allowed without predjudice.

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Bug, when someone votes on a poll it automatically brings it back from the dead, to the top of the "new posts" search queue. I went ahead and closed the poll so it should not happen again with this particular thread.
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Bug, when someone votes on a poll it automatically brings it back from the dead, to the top of the "new posts" search queue. I went ahead and closed the poll so it should not happen again with this particular thread.
Thanks! It escaped me entirely that there was a poll and I couldn't figure out what caused it to pop up after all this time.

Evidently the coffee hadn't kicked in yet...

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