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For the benefit of those not in the US, what particular state does the OP live in, what are the weather conditions there at this or anytime of year.

I am struggling horribly with my Terriers wounds because of the heat, humidity and flies. He is on anti-biotics, painkillers and is having his wounds flushed out 4 times a day and packed with anti-biotic cream and still I am worried.
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Have you ever adopted a child? Perhaps maybe you know how much I spend for a lawyer? Add to that that I had 1.5 months from the day I got her call till my son was born. I had to pay a lawyer and fill my home with all of the necessary thing for caring for a baby. I didn't have nine months to prepare. I had 45 days. Yes I got broke very fast. After trying for five years to have children my wife and I had the opportunity to accept responsibility for a child who's own mother didnt want. I would have live homeless for a year to make that happen. But I didn't have to. The child had water, electricity, heat, air, shelter and most of all two loving Christian parents to care for him. The only thing in my home that ran off gas was the hot water. I got by with heating water on the stove. It's a convenience not a necessity. People lived for years without a water heater in their home.

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Question my love or provisions for my family. You don't know me. Without the sacrifice I made for my child he would currently be a ward of the state. Both of his parents are currently in jail for drug related charges. All that aside this thread has gone TOO far and I'm tired of the relentless attack that are not helping my dog. What is the point? Really?
You know what? I went through a failed adoption and during that time my husband and I spent OVER 10K on a lawyer. That's not including the home check, the classes, everything and in the end if we didn't have the funds to pay for hot water or other things to make sure that the child and our dogs were cared for we would have changed. Because of all the money spent we made sacrifices and my husband and I went without things to make sure our dogs got taken care of. We managed to pull together (thank goodness for emergency vet funds) money to pay for our lab's emergency surgery. We would NEVER let any of our animals go without because we didn't have the money... If there is the will there is a way. Please tell me you are a troll, if not this thread makes me sick... I feel so bad for Brinks


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For the benefit of those not in the US, what particular state does the OP live in, what are the weather conditions there at this or anytime of year.

I am struggling horribly with my Terriers wounds because of the heat, humidity and flies. He is on anti-biotics, painkillers and is having his wounds flushed out 4 times a day and packed with anti-biotic cream and still I am worried.
I personally have not seen where the OP is located. I will say that I am located in NW Oregon where it tends to be a milder climate. Right now every day has been in the upper 80's.


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Dogs get lost, run away or get taken and then that person just turns them loose. Bad things happen to dogs in those situations. He could have been wandering for quite some time and in that time incurred the injuries. Whatever his history is he at some point belonged to someone. And that someone could be looking for his dog and is the rightful owner.

I have no doubt he needed help. Medical help and help being reunited with his rightful owner.
I have friends who had an Eskie. He was terrified of storms, and managed to escape during one. They searched high and low, ads in the paper, everything. Over a year later, they got a call from animal control in a neighboring town (20+ miles from their house), saying that the dog had been picked up running loose after another storm. They think someone found the dog, and took him home with them, but never took the ID tag off his collar.


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My4by4byfar - may I ask why you are only responding to people who make you angry and not responding to the people who are offering friendlier suggestions?

It's becoming more and more difficult to want to help you when it appears that all you want to do is argue.
I apologize for not commenting on the posts with links. Today is my fourth and last twelve hour shift of the week. I've not had the time to really look over any of the links. If not for my smart phone I wouldn't even have time or access for the forum posts. The thing with the links however is that some where for financial assistance, and some for finding a Doberman shelter, or rescue. Believe there may have even been a link for animal control. Here's the deal. As it turns out the wound didn't end up looking like a shot as I had mistakenly assumed. Days later and with the hair removed around the would, it looks more like it could be a bite mark, still not for sure. Regardless there is no internal dammage and no surgery is needed. He is on antibiotics and he is healing fine. I'm checking him twice daily and my dad is as well. So financial help with a vet bill is currently unnecessary. As for the shelter/ rescue? Short of finding his rightful home, I have no intent of giving this dog to a shelter. Had he ended up with a shelter, and he snapped at a persons face(as he did me), I'm sure he would already have been put down. Also there was mention of animal control. Here in central AR, animal control only cares about the cities. I'm so far out in the country that no one even the sheriffs don't care about animals. In this area it is common ace to shoot nuisance dogs. If they mess with your live stock, shoot them. That's how it's done here. AC is for city folk around here. That's how it works. Thanks to all or the people trying to help me and not bashing me. I didn't come to this forum for a fight. Just knowledge. Guess I got more than I bargained for. I have no intent to offend anyone by my words or actions. Thanks again to the well wishers and the ones who have tried to help me.
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I apologize for not commenting on the posts with links. Today is my fourth and last twelve hour shift of the week. I've not had the time to really look over any of the links. If not for my smart phone I wouldn't even have time or access for the forum posts. The thing with the links however is that some where for financial assistance, and some for finding a Doberman shelter, or rescue. Believe there may have even been a link for animal control. Here's the deal. As it turns out the wound didn't end up looking like a shot as I had mistakenly assumed. Days later and with the hair removed around the would, it looks more like it could be a bite mark, still not for sure. Regardless there is no internal dammage and no surgery is needed. He is on antibiotics and he is healing fine. I'm checking him twice daily and my dad is as well. So financial help with a vet bill is currently unnecessary. As for the shelter/ rescue? Short of finding his rightful home, I have no intent of giving this dog to a shelter. Had he ended up with a shelter, and he snapped at a persons face(as he did me), I'm sure he would already have been put down. Also there was mention of animal control. Here in central AR, animal control only cares about the cities. I'm so far out in the country that no one even the sheriffs don't care about animals. In this area it is common ace to shoot nuisance dogs. If they mess with your live stock, shoot them. That's how it's done here. AC is for city folk around here. That's how it works. Thanks to all or the people trying to help me and not bashing me. I didn't come to this forum for a fight. Just knowledge. Guess I got more than I bargained for. I have no intent to offend anyone by my words or actions. Thanks again to the well wishers and the ones who have tried to help me.
Please tell me you are providing him with shade, water, ways to cool himself off I know that if it is hot here in the PNW it has to be hot there! a lot of rescues (not animal control) would work with him as they understand fear aggression...

On another note, you can afford a smart phone, but can't afford a $100 vet bill? I know my plan is almost $100....


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So now you think it was a bite wound. Hmmm, I wonder the animal that bit him was vaccinated for rabies. Even more concerning is the dog vaccinated for rabies. I bet the real owner would know.

OP you have perhaps an unvaccinated dog in your possession. One with a perhaps bite wound. Have you seen the movie "Cujo"? This is exactly why the dog cannot stay with you.
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Since your wife is not working, how does she feel about caring for Brinks? Is she able to try to bond with him and teach him a few things?
Simple things, like putting a leash on him and try taking him for a walk with the baby in a stroller? I did that all the time with my kids.
There are lots of other things she could do with him too, like teaching him to sit for a treat or shake hands.
I mean, since you work so much and stuff...
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You are leaving this dog outside to roam in central ARIZONA?! Please tell me you are providing him with shade, water, ways to cool himself off a lot of rescues (not animal control) would work with him as they understand fear aggression...

On another note, you can afford a smart phone, but can't afford a $100 vet bill? I know my plan is almost $100....


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AR is Arkansas. Where it is still (I think) pretty hot.

My smart phone is also pretty expensive, and that's with four people on the plan splitting the bill.

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Days later and with the hair removed around the would, it looks more like it could be a bite mark, still not for sure. Regardless there is no internal dammage and no surgery is needed.
You went back to the vet, or they removed the hair initially? Did you get him scanned yet, or not?

Yes, I know about your twelve hour shifts. Does your wife take/intend to take any responsibility for this dog or does she like him outside? Perhaps your father could take the dog to the vet while you're at work? I don't think a microchip scan costs anything; sometimes they have the scanners right out in the waiting room.


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You are leaving this dog outside to roam in central ARIZONA?! Please tell me you are providing him with shade, water, ways to cool himself off a lot of rescues (not animal control) would work with him as they understand fear aggression...

On another note, you can afford a smart phone, but can't afford a $100 vet bill? I know my plan is almost $100....


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Arizona is abbreviated AZ. The OP stated he lives in AR which is Arkansas.
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On another note, you can afford a smart phone, but can't afford a $100 vet bill? I know my plan is almost $100....
Staying out of the yelling but popping in for this tidbit- depending on where you work you can get a smartphone for free and a plan that's about 30-40$ per month... I should know because I'm on one. So OP might have a lower bill and paid next to nothing for the phone itself. Not defending OP (that's why I'm staying out of the yelling) but just providing an answer.

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AR is Arkansas. Where it is still (I think) pretty hot.

My smart phone is also pretty expensive, and that's with four people on the plan splitting the bill.



And that would be me staying up too late and reading the abbreviation wrong!!! Whoops! Thanks for correcting me!


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Arizona is abbreviated AZ. The OP stated he lives in AR which is Arkansas.
I already got corrected and admitted that I had read the abbreviation wrong as I have been up all night.


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Staying out of the yelling but popping in for this tidbit- depending on where you work you can get a smartphone for free and a plan that's about 30-40$ per month... I should know because I'm on one. So OP might have a lower bill and paid next to nothing for the phone itself. Not defending OP (that's why I'm staying out of the yelling) but just providing an answer.
Yes that is an option, I was just pointing that fact out.


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4X4, please don't leave this site. I know it can be a bit much at times. I've had a few run-ins myself--not about the way I've treated my dog, but in support of some newbies before. I have to admit I was aghast of some of the things you first said. But then I started to see that you are at least staying on listening and making some attempts even though I'm sure you are really defensive right now and want to blow off most of the people posting.

MeadowCat: I am ashamed of myself as well. I may not have posted, but I thanked a lot of people on here--some of which I probably shouldn't have--but I did agree with their thoughts at the time. Then I just read your latest post and probably because I was a teacher with at risk kids, it made sense. I was reacting to the posts emotionally and not thinking in the teacher mode. Teenagers will shut down if all you do is point out their shortcomings. I really think the OP will come around in time, but will fail to do so and shut down like the teens I had taught. I know most of you are worried about the dog roaming--maybe that should be addressed foremost now that the dog has seen the vet and leave the rest alone for awhile--that way the OP will read and learn more from this site and, in the future, will feel free to ask for more advice. Remember this seems to be his first dog and he really wasn't into animals. He is learning. I had to learn a few things the hard way, even though I had dogs as a child. My first dobe was a stray I had bought from a man on the street in Galveston, TX. I treated it at first like any other dog I've had and my family wasn't that knowledgeable about dogs even though they owned them. I did not think that it was bad to keep a dog chained outside, but because I loved them so much, I did not want them outside for any length of time. I wanted them with me--always was a softy when it came to animals. And because of that love, Angelique taught me some of what I know now and from other people I'd run into if I was doing something wrong like giving her a swat. And because of that love I gained from my rescued girl and having fallen in love with the breed and her (at first my thought was to buy her and then sell her for more money because she was a purebred but rapidly fell in love with her even though I was wary of the breed, I had favored Irish Setters), I purchased Tara (bought from a byb [old couple]). I read everything I could get my hands on--not bad for a wild child because that's what I was when I was 19--Hippy days and all. (I didn't go to college to learn teaching until I was in my mid-thirties--THANK GOD, I would have majored in the beach and partying). I did learn a lot with Angelique and Tara. Because Tara was a dobe and, deluded and unlearned as I was, I thought she could become a show dog, I started attending dog things like obedience and joined the Galveston Kennel Club back then and started learning even more. I owe this site for even learning more, and I think it is quite evident (at least visibly) when you see the condition my Hero is in and the titles he has gotten, the RN and the latest is his CGC along with some points in the show ring.

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Please tell me you are providing him with shade, water, ways to cool himself off I know that if it is hot here in the PNW it has to be hot there! a lot of rescues (not animal control) would work with him as they understand fear aggression...

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AR is short for Arkansas. I noticed you realized that after I read it and edited. This dog has plenty of water, food and shelter with shade. He'll I live near three ponds within a hundred yards of my home. He can swim if he wants, and he has plenty of shade. He comes inside at dads house when it storms cause he's afraid of thunder. This dog is not abused.

As for the smart phone.... Ever heard of contracts...? My wife lost her job three weeks ago. Before this all was well. Heck, now all is well. But if work is t flu d before severance and unemployment is gone the. We will have problems. Besides, how in the heck can my wife find work without having email or phone available for someone to contact her. Get real. Life can't stop when money gets tight. If works not found we will adjust our comforts. But that's my business. Just saying.
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Dear OP. Okay, you are not going to give this dog to a rescue, we get that. But have you considered what would happen if he caused an accident on the highway or road or whatever it is that runs near you.

In the US it seems folk will sue you for looking at them wrong much less for your dog causing them to swerve and maybe dent their truck or Cadi, will you at least consider what might happen to your home if you get sued because a dog you have claimed as your own has caused an accident?

You could well end up losing it, whether you have a kid or not because as eggs are eggs the person suing you will not give a damn how hard things are or have been when they see the $ sign in front of their eyes.

In the meantime, wishing Brinks a speedy recovery from his injury and hopes and prayers nothing else happens to him.

Oh, and believe you me we are not all bad a$$es here, we do understand that sometimes folk come across a bit antsy with how they answer a posting but I think you will realise that those of us who are still responding to your posts have your dogs best interest at heart.

We understand you have taken to the dog, hey, you would be inhuman if you didnt, once a Dobe has you in their sights, you cannot outrun them and you cannot withstand their love. But if nothing else consider that others might see your Dobe as a meal ticket for them. He might not be responsible for any accident but he could still be blamed and you alongside because guess what, everyone remembers the Dobe but don't necessarily remember the Husky or whatever that was running alongside it. I guess it is because our dogs are so breathtaking to witness.

On a different note, did the company your wife close down or something? Did she have a contract? I ask because she may have recourse through law if she did, I know US employment laws are different from the UK's but maybe she and her fellow workers could seek some sort of recompense for being laid off.

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So now you think it was a bite wound. Hmmm, I wonder the animal that bit him was vaccinated for rabies. Even more concerning is the dog vaccinated for rabies. I bet the real owner would know.

OP you have perhaps an unvaccinated dog in your possession. One with a perhaps bite wound. Have you seen the movie "Cujo"? This is exactly why the dog cannot stay with you.
He got a rabies shot the first week I had him. At the vet even....
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AR is short for Arkansas. I noticed you realized that after I read it and edited. This dog has plenty of water, food and shelter with shade. He'll I live near three ponds within a hundred yards of my home. He can swim if he wants, and he has plenty of shade. He comes inside at dads house when it storms cause he's afraid of thunder. This dog is not abused.

As for the smart phone.... Ever heard of contracts...? My wife lost her job three weeks ago. Before this all was well. Heck, now all is well. But if work is t flu d before severance and unemployment is gone the. We will have problems. Besides, how in the heck can my wife find work without having email or phone available for someone to contact her. Get real. Life can't stop when money gets tight. If works not found we will adjust our comforts. But that's my business. Just saying.
Yes it's called I am exhausted and have been up all night... I misread the abbreviation and saw it is AZ not AR. I will not comment on the rest since all you want to do is argue. Please honestly think about what is best for this dog... These dogs are meant to be treated like family... Not left outside in the heat all day and night. They are called "Velcro dogs" for a reason... They want to be next to their people. I have a rescue dog that I was lied to about her issues, you don't see me forcing her to stay outside in the heat just because she lacks manners and has fear aggression issues? And if you are concerned about your child's safety, find a home for him that will care for him and train him. A home that doesn't have kids.... OR you could just never let them be unsupervised... As that is what you should do anyways.


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OP this dog is not yours. It belongs to someone else. You keeping it and not notifying the necessary agencies is wrong. When you keep something that doesn't belong to you that is stealing. At the very least turn the dog over to a rescue and let them help the dog. You feel you're doing right by the dog but you're not.

If you think the last vet bill was expensive you haven't seen anything yet. This is an expensive breed to have. It isn't uncommon for a yearly vet bill in excess of $5000 to happen.

You claimed the dog has access to 3 ponds. Do you have the dog on heartworm prevention? Flea control?

What about the food you're feeding? Ol Roy or some grocery store crap won't cut it.

Then when there is a medical problem (and you will have them) are you going to come back here looking for a cheap easy solution? Because here's a heads up......the medical issues this breed has are extremely expensive. And that's if there are no accidents to deal with.

Your wants or the dog's needs. There's the choice. I'm betting you will selfishly choose your wants.
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VZ - he already stated that the first time he took him to the vet the dog got all his vaccinations.
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Since your wife is not working, how does she feel about caring for Brinks? Is she able to try to bond with him and teach him a few things?
Simple things, like putting a leash on him and try taking him for a walk with the baby in a stroller? I did that all the time with my kids.
There are lots of other things she could do with him too, like teaching him to sit for a treat or shake hands.
I mean, since you work so much and stuff...
My wife is very fond of brinks. In fact she was the one who talked me into letting him stay. Prior to the last weekend of June brinks has behaved well with my entire family. I made the mistake of including brinks in a family camp out the last weekend of June. During the night brinks got startled in the camper and barked. I told him to come to me and he got in the bed with me and started to growl. This led to him snapping at my face and giving me a fat lip with his teeth. Naturally I have a new respect for his space and I am working hard to get past that fear. My wife was very scared that night and since lacks confidence in his temperament. Aside from this its not easy to pick up a 75 pound dobe and put him in a truck for a ride to the vet. That is why her taking brinks to the vet was not an option. Since the incedent, dad and I work with brinks daily. A once no structured dog now will sit on command and will wait till I tell him go get it to eat when I put food in front of him. He's come a long ways since that night in June but there is still some fear on my wife's part when it comes to dealing with him. Heck lets be honest. I am still a little scared of him but now I will not let him get in a position to do what he did to me again.
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VZ - he already stated that the first time he took him to the vet the dog got all his vaccinations.
Drop in the bucket with this breed. No mention of anything else he did for the dog.

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Bare minimum for walking out the dog. 3 ponds he lives in mosquito heaven.
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My wife is very fond of brinks. In fact she was the one who talked me into letting him stay. Prior to the last weekend of June brinks has behaved well with my entire family. I made the mistake of including brinks in a family camp out the last weekend of June. During the night brinks got startled in the camper and barked. I told him to come to me and he got in the bed with me and started to growl. This led to him snapping at my face and giving me a fat lip with his teeth. Naturally I have a new respect for his space and I am working hard to get past that fear. My wife was very scared that night and since lacks confidence in his temperament. Aside from this its not easy to pick up a 75 pound dobe and put him in a truck for a ride to the vet. That is why her taking brinks to the vet was not an option. Since the incedent, dad and I work with brinks daily. A once no structured dog now will sit on command and will wait till I tell him go get it to eat when I put food in front of him. He's come a long ways since that night in June but there is still some fear on my wife's part when it comes to dealing with him. Heck lets be honest. I am still a little scared of him but now I will not let him get in a position to do what he did to me again.
You are not the dog's owner. No matter all the feely touchie stories you post the bottom line is you are not the dog's owner.

Again it comes down to your wants over the dog's needs. Somewhere there is an owner who is missing a dog. A dog you have no legal, moral right to. But that doesn't stop you from hanging onto the dog. That's stealing.
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