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Does anyone know if Wingate's Compulsion is still alive?

I am doing some pedigree research on longevity and have already contacted his owner (who wasn't enthusiastic about answering the question)... hoping someone here can fill me in on whether or not he is still alive, and if not what year he died in.

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He died in 2010.

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The Sept/Oct 2010 issue of the Doberman Digest has a tribute article, but I didn't see any date of death or cause mentioned.

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You can also go to Dobe Quest and look up pedigree as well as see if there is longevity in the line

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Ch Wingate's Compulsion aka Sequoia

Hello I am the owner of Sequoia and no one has contacted me personally about him. Someone just brought my attention to the thread otherwise I would have responded sooner. My personal info is on dobequest and anyone with an interest in Sequoia or any dog in his pedigree can feel free to contact me or his breeder.
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welcome to DT.

never met your boy but have seen many photos of him in dobe mags.

always liked the wingate dobes

yours was handsome red boy for sure. sired some nice pups too.

sorry he is gone, may he rest in peace.
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Thank you for your compliment. He was a special boy in many ways. Visited you guys in Canada too. We just had a litter out of one of his daughters. Beautiful. His first litter of puppies will be turning 10 years old soon.
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Hello I am the owner of Sequoia and no one has contacted me personally about him. Someone just brought my attention to the thread otherwise I would have responded sooner. My personal info is on dobequest and anyone with an interest in Sequoia or any dog in his pedigree can feel free to contact me or his breeder.
Just a question for you - when one of my dogs dies, I list the cause of death on Dobequest. I wish more people would do that so that pedigree research would be easier for the rest of us.

So why didn't you list his cause of death on his Dobequest page? All of his health testing is there, so you did keep him updated while he was alive. We know they all die of something and anyone who isn't a fool isn't going to blame the owner and/or breeder for what they died from. Why is it that sooooo many people keep the cause of death a secret unless you personally call them?? This is not just meant for Sequoia's owner... it is a trend that really bothers me as a breeder that is trying to breed a healthy dog.

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Mary Jo I am not sure how to say this and make it sound right. Sequoia and I had a very special bond. He was specialed for three years and I took him to 99% of the shows. We were a team. Where you saw him you I was close by. His death was very painful to me personally. Writing it down in dobequest was the least of my concerns at the time. All of the people who bred to him we're notified. That. Is my responsibility and it was done. Anyone who has a REAL concern about him and his pedigree should have enough concern to contact the source. I have done it when wanting to breed. Other than that I really don't know why there would be interest. It has nothing to do with being blamed for anything. Not even sure what you mean by that. But it does have a lot to do with the gossip that people like to insinuate. For inquiring mind Sequoia did not die of cardio if that is what the implication really is.
If anyone is interested in him of any of his get we are all open honest people and I resent any other implication. Just like to keep my business private unless it concerns someone of real interest.
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I didn't start this thread to ruffle anyone's feathers, I just find it incredibly difficult to find information while not living on the same continent as you guys so I posted my question out of frustration.

The databases for European dogs are much more detailed and kept up to date it seems, if not with a cause of death at least with the age at death. I understand that not everyone wants to share the cause of death of their dog, regardless of what is morally correct to do (in whoever's eyes), but I wish that breeders would at least post the date of death. I'm sure there would be more dogs out there that qualify for the DPCA's BFL list than those that have already been published.

I don't have any ulterior motives or secret agendas, I'm simply looking for lines with working titles and that have clusters of longevity up close, that are not found here in Europe.
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I know Mary can speak for herself but I really don't think she meant anything at all other than asking simply to you and others who may be reading why they don't update the final piece of such a great database. (after an of course allowed period of mourning)

It sounds like he was a very special boy to you and I'm sure your heart aches to think of him now that he's gone but I think your emotional side led you to see ulterior motives in her question/statement that weren't there.

Like Ataro said I think we all wish the death part was updated more for not just the breeders who used the dog but so a regular person like me researching pedigrees can see for themselves the longevity in a line easily and on our own.

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I know Mary can speak for herself but I really don't think she meant anything at all other than asking simply to you and others who may be reading why they don't update the final piece of such a great database. (after an of course allowed period of mourning)

It sounds like he was a very special boy to you and I'm sure your heart aches to think of him now that he's gone but I think your emotional side led you to see ulterior motives in her question/statement that weren't there.

Like Ataro said I think we all wish the death part was updated more for not just the breeders who used the dog but so a regular person like me researching pedigrees can see for themselves the longevity in a line easily and on our own.

I know through personal experience looking at pedigrees on Dobequest it can be really frustrating when there are holes on test results as well as how the dog died. It is a great database, just wish there cold be more information documented as it is a great resource.

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I keep Dobequest updated on my dogs--even those who were never bred. When they die I bite the bullet and enter that data as well even though I rarely feel like doing it.

But I know from researching pedigrees for other people that sometimes if you are looking at grandparents (and sometimes even for parents) there is literally no one to ask--breeders and owners move, die and in other ways become impossible to ask.

Even though I often know cause of death and date of death for dogs I only put that information in for my own dogs--I just don't feel right about doing it for someone elses dog who I neither bred nor owned. But I've run into dead ends while doing research often enough that I too wish that the information--at least for date of death--was more readily available.
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New people are steered all the time to Dobequest(and OFFA) "to do their homework" .

IMO it is not doing a service to the breed to leave known CODs blank.

Don't know COD fine, but please - in the interest of those doing their due diligence and hoping to contribute by buying as informed as possible and perhaps one day breeding themselves - I take exception to the implication "it's nobody's business".

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With all due respect, I disagree. I've had a heart Dobe die and even though she was never bred, I entered her cause of death the very next day. It was hard, but I knew that she had relatives that had been bred, and I felt it was my duty to make her cause of death known. To me, any Doberman that has been bred becomes important to the overall breed - down the line, someone will want to know and they won't know who to contact.... or would feel weird trying to contact someone whos dog was long gone. As a very occasional breeder with 3 stud dogs that have all been bred, I feel it is my responsibility to keep the fancy informed about not only their health while they live, but the cause of death when they die.

I know some people think that it is nobody's business.... but IMHO it is everybodies business if they truly care about the future of the breed. I'm not just aiming this at you..... it is for anyone who owns a Doberman that has bred OR who has siblings who have been bred...etc...

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Mary Jo I am not sure how to say this and make it sound right. Sequoia and I had a very special bond. He was specialed for three years and I took him to 99% of the shows. We were a team. Where you saw him you I was close by. His death was very painful to me personally. Writing it down in dobequest was the least of my concerns at the time. All of the people who bred to him we're notified. That. Is my responsibility and it was done. Anyone who has a REAL concern about him and his pedigree should have enough concern to contact the source. I have done it when wanting to breed. Other than that I really don't know why there would be interest. It has nothing to do with being blamed for anything. Not even sure what you mean by that. But it does have a lot to do with the gossip that people like to insinuate. For inquiring mind Sequoia did not die of cardio if that is what the implication really is.
If anyone is interested in him of any of his get we are all open honest people and I resent any other implication. Just like to keep my business private unless it concerns someone of real interest.

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