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i see this is a heated topic
Which is why these repeat threads should be closed imo. They never end well. A simple search on this topic yields literally hundreds of results.

Here's some more links to add to RFR's:

https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...bloodline.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...ean-lines.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...mperments.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...-american.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...rspective.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...dobermans.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...-european.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...can-dobes.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...-american.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...n-vs-euro.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-co...-european.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...-american.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...uro-lines.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...ean-dobes.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...-european.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...-american.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-co...-american.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...ican-bred.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...-american.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...-american.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...can-dobie.html

And that's just the first page of search results.



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Iceman,

since we got kicked off this thread............ https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...ml#post2086897

you are making the same mistake so many people do, you take a chunk of the standard and you focus on it.

you highlighted " powerful and muscularly built dog".

you need to be taking in the whole standard in one mouthful so to speak, not little bites you like here and there.

here is the FULL description of the general appearance of a Doberman Pinscher according to the FCI standard...... "The Dobermann is a medium sized, powerful and muscularly built dog. Thanks to the elegant lines of its body and its proud expression of determination, this dog conforms to the ideal figure of a dog."


can you point out to me in Euro bred dobes of today.......the "elegant lines" ?

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the nature of the test / mental test in america dobbie

God knows how many after reading the discussion of the euro versus america Dobies.
I wonder whether you have a question the nature of the tests/ mental health test and what kind of, what is the best age to their performance / recommended age to do the test.
videos would be nice to see. while small piece of information was the result expected.
I hope at you understand my bad english and I see video yours dog

our Dobber is clean of euros but a mixed line, show and work.
bitch (2.8 years) is now visited this year, ZTP V1A result and spring (2.5 years), the Finnish character test and a year ago MH test, which is also a descriptive character (1.9 years)
male ZTP can not attend, due to missing teeth, zero dog did a year ago (3.5 years) MH test (3.5 years) and finnish nature of the test from the year before (2.5 years)

females, Essi, the results did not exactly come as a surprise, maybe a little smoother what I expected, a good working dog but the home Soothing have to tell. pitch drive is never-ending, 5 min of sleep in the car and while you might go to full. 110% up to

male, mötkö, depth of field is the worst feature of the home dog better than essi. field sees and hears too much. remember the more disappointing and is more reserved bizarre pressing issues. Work still 110% and also the pace. 5 min of sleep in the car and can again go to the full.

any one test does not tell the dog gets praise, etc. yes. At the beginning of the interview you practiced what you trained

If I open the little witch tests
dog needs minimum 70p
Finnish character test, recomend age 2-> years
first, the play shall be considered oral use, do not want to fight,
then the sled, how the dog reacts to it, perched on the people, resembling a doll, moving out of control, how the dog will look into it.
needs help from the owner. will revert to the stress.
then addressed the threat of a human. defend the owner and we run out when the threat has receded. to get involved and how welcomes foreign processing.
ghost fright, how to react yllättäväänja again how to remember and return to, the same thing rattle barrel,
wall alone, the man threatens to defend himself and what he does.
dark (dim) rooms have not been described, the owner leaves the dog to the door and goes back to sit quietly in a corner. the dog is released as free room, dare to move one find the owner, needs help, calling, praise, adding light.
Finally, the shooting of how to react to it.

mötkö (male)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cek0MymQDVs
results in figures
value, part of the performance, the result
1 -1 Functional Small -15
2 + 1a Sharpness Low air Remain. desire to attack 1
3 Desire for defense action +3 moderate, low-key 3
4 3 Desire to fight Big 30
5 + 1a Nerves bit restless 35
6 3 Temperament Lively 45
7 -2 Hardness Soft -16
8 3 Accessibility Kind, accessible, open 45
9 ++ shots Unfamiliar with shots
Total 128

for some reason, Essis test does not become once on the tape but in this early
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxXCCkxF9ec
value, part of the performance, the result
1 + 1b Functional Moderately low 15
2 + 1a Sharpness Low air Remain. desire to attack 1
3 Desire for defense action +3 moderate, low-key 3
4 + 2a for Fight Fair 20
5 + 1a Nerves bit restless 35
6 Temperament +1 very lively 15
7 Hardness +1 slightly soft 8
8 3 Accessibility Kind, accessible, open 45
9 +++ shots Secure to shots
Total 142

MH test 1.8 -> years
video tells more what I can tell and result are verbally good

mötkö
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sb5yl9z5Kw
Part Earnings
1a contact, Greeting 4 Takes contact or respond to it
1b contact, cooperation 3 Follows, but is not interested to
1c contact, handling 3 Accepts handling
2a Game 1, the desire to play 4 Plays - starts quickly and is active
2b Game 1, adhesion 3 Grabs object with a delay or with front teeth
2c Game 1, bite and desire to fight 4 Grabs directly with whole mouth, pulls back until the TO removed
3a1 Pursuit 1 1 No start
3a2 Back-driving 2 1 Not start
Gripping 3b1 1 1 No catch those interested / Not Run after
3b2 Gripping January 2 Not take an interest in the catch / no running after
4 Activity Level 4 attentive, functionality, or restlessness gradually increasing
5a REMOTE PLAY, interest in 3 Interested, follows without a break
5b REMOTE PLAY, threat / aggression 1 Does not show any threatening gestures
5c REMOTE PLAY, curiosity 2 Arriving at the line of active helper
5d REMOTE PLAY, the desire to play 5 Grabs, pull back, do not disconnect
5e REMOTE PLAY, co 2 interest, but pause
6a Surprise, fear 3 Avoids without turning away gaze overalls
6b Surprise, defense / aggression 3 Shows several threat signs
6c Surprise, curiosity 3 Goes to the object when owner is standing in front of it
6d Surprise, remaining fear 1 No movement of any kind of variation of speed or evasive
6e Surprise, the remaining interest 1 Does not show any interest in overalls
7a Sound Sensitivity, fear 1 Does not stop or stops quickly
7b sound sensitivity, curiosity about 5 Goes to the object without help
7c Sound Sensitivity, remaining fear 4 curtsey or change of speed similar at least two times
7d Sound Sensitivity, the remaining interest 2 Stops, smells or looks object at a time to the bypass
8a Ghosts, defense / aggression 1 Does not show any threatening gestures
8b Ghosts, mindfulness 4 Watching the ghosts, short breaks
8c ghosts, fear of more than 5 Cancel the leash measure or leaving the site / Escapes
8d Ghosts, curiosity 1 Goes to look when the director has taken counsel hood off / No go in time
8e Ghosts, contact input ghost 4 Takes contact Assistant
9a Game 2, the desire to play 4 Plays - starts quickly and is active
9b Game 2, catching 3 Grabs object with a delay or with front teeth
10 Shooting 1 is not disturbed, quickly detect and then completely indifferent

Essi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_XKikMEXBQ
Part Earnings
1a contact, Greeting 4 Takes contact or respond to it
1b contact, cooperation 3 Follows, but is not interested to
1c contact, handling 3 Accepts handling
2a Game 1, the desire to play 4 Plays - starts quickly and is active
2b Game 1, catching 4 Grabs directly with whole mouth
2c Game 1, bite and desire to fight 4 Grabs directly with whole mouth, pulls back until the TO removed
3a1 Pursuit 1 1 No start
3a2 Back-driving 2 1 Not start
Gripping 3b1 1 1 No catch those interested / Not Run after
3b2 Gripping January 2 Not take an interest in the catch / no running after
4 Activity Level 3 Is attentive and mostly calm, the individual functions
5a REMOTE PLAY, interest in 3 Interested, follows without a break
5b REMOTE PLAY, threat / aggression 1 Does not show any threatening gestures
5c REMOTE PLAY, curiosity 1 No-show helper
5d REMOTE PLAY, the desire to play 1 Does not show interest
5e REMOTE PLAY, co-operation 1 Does not show interest
6a Surprise, fear 3 Avoids without turning away gaze overalls
6b Surprise, defense / aggression 1 Does not show any threatening gestures
6c Surprise, curiosity 2 Goes to the object when the handler speaks squatting and attracts dogs
6d Surprise, remaining fear 1 No movement of any kind of variation of speed or evasive
6e Surprise, the remaining interest 1 Does not show any interest in overalls
7a Sound Sensitivity, fear 3 Avoids without turning away gaze
7b sound sensitivity, curiosity 4 Goes to the object when owner has walked half the distance
7c Sound Sensitivity, remaining fear 4 curtsey or change of speed similar at least two times
7d sound sensitivity, the residual interest 1 Does not show any interest to räminälaitetta
8a Ghosts, defense / aggression 1 Does not show any threatening gestures
8b Ghosts, mindfulness 5 monitors both ghosts throughout the partition of time
8c ghosts, fear of the one in front or page
8d Ghosts, curiosity about 5 Goes to look without the help of
8e Ghosts, contact input ghost 4 Takes contact Assistant
9a Game 2, the desire to play 4 Plays - starts quickly and is active
9b Game 2, catching 4 Grabs directly with whole mouth
10 Shooting 1 is not disturbed, quickly detect and then completely indifferent

and then ZTP
mötkö zero dog from shops
top judge only to explain the exhibition portion and the post has been shortened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLEIU-duvh0
group
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBtbDYGKoKI
bites
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAM4du80R40

Essi ZTP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxgD3lGO0W0

maybe this tell something to you
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