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Anyone with a hypothyroid dobe?

Well I took Skyler to the vet today because I thought she may have a recurring staph infection. The vet did a thyroid panel and sent it off. We won't get results until next week. I knew it was a possibility with a dobe, but didn't think too much about it. Both of her parent's thyroid's tested normal. She has thinning hair each side of her back close to her hip area. Is this treatable like in humans? Is it very serious? Other than the thinning area she has been fine. They aren't even sure it is what she has, but I am a worried mom, and feel awful for not taking her in sooner! Any thoughts, experience, or advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Well I took Skyler to the vet today because I thought she may have a recurring staph infection. The vet did a thyroid panel and sent it off. We won't get results until next week. I knew it was a possibility with a dobe, but didn't think too much about it. Both of her parent's thyroid's tested normal. She has thinning hair each side of her back close to her hip area. Is this treatable like in humans? Is it very serious? Other than the thinning area she has been fine. They aren't even sure it is what she has, but I am a worried mom, and feel awful for not taking her in sooner! Any thoughts, experience, or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Yes, I have a hypothyroid doberman, it's very common in this breed. Left untreated, hypothyroidism can devastate just about every part of the body.

The good news is it's VERY treatable, although the dog will be on meds for the rest of their life. Thyroid supplementation is easy and pretty inexpensive.
Rush gets a pill twice a day in his food bowl, never even knows he's being medicated.



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Thanks Murreydobe, that makes me feel a little better. If it is hypothyroidism, could that be why her skin is so dry lately? It might just be the dry weather though. Anyway, just wondering? I have been giving fish oil and Vit. E, and wiping her down a couple of times a week with wipes that have aloe vera, lanolin and Vit.E in them, but she's still pretty dry. Do they have to be on any special diet with hypothyroidism? I feed Canidae mostly, but I do home cook sometimes and give raw every once in awhile to. Thanks in advance!
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Like Murreydobe said, it is one of the nasty things that can be treated!! Hope that the results come back negative.

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My dobe girl has been hypothyroid since she turned about 1. It is very treatable and yes the only bad thing is I have to give her a pill twice a day for the rest of her life. Other then that she is totally normal loves to play and her weight is great!! Other then the pills she usually just has to go in every 6-9 months for a screening to make sure that everything still looks good. I usually just mix the pills with her food twice a day or give them to her after and she just eats them like a treat. But mixing them in their food she can not even tell it is there... Her pills are pretty small. I have heard that it is common with the dobe breed.
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Thanks Murreydobe, that makes me feel a little better. If it is hypothyroidism, could that be why her skin is so dry lately?
Very well could be.

No, no special diet needed for hypothyroid dogs.



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Thanks everyone for the info. and god thoughts!
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My dog Rommel is hypothyroid, and was diagnosed very young.

As per skin issues....is your dobe blue? For some reason I thought she was??
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both mine are hypothyroid. just a tiny pill in their food twoice a day. Molly has a thinning coat on her belly and neck, but with her meds her thyroid is normal and it's not alopecia.

our dogs get a little flaky in the winter. we give them fish oil 2x a day and vitamin e 1x a day. you can also rinse them with a little (just a couple of tbls) apple cider vinegar in a gallon of water to help clear off the flakes. but maybe only one bath in the winter

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My dog Rommel is hypothyroid, and was diagnosed very young.

As per skin issues....is your dobe blue? For some reason I thought she was??
Well, Skyler is red. I do have a blue boy, but Skyler is the one who had her thyroid tested today. I am aware that blues have coat issues though, and I am keeping my eye on his. It is a little thin, but I figured his is because of his color. It's not really that thin YET though. Thanks.
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both mine are hypothyroid. just a tiny pill in their food twoice a day. Molly has a thinning coat on her belly and neck, but with her meds her thyroid is normal and it's not alopecia.

our dogs get a little flaky in the winter. we give them fish oil 2x a day and vitamin e 1x a day. you can also rinse them with a little (just a couple of tbls) apple cider vinegar in a gallon of water to help clear off the flakes. but maybe only one bath in the winter

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We are giving fish oil twice and vitamin E once a day as well. I have given a few baths since November. I will not bathe them again for awhile though. The vet didn't think that it is alopecia with Skyler, so I guess we'll find out more next week. Thank you for the info.
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When I adopted Rudi, he was very malnourished. His T4 was just barely low and his TSH was just barely high. I put on about 20-25 lbs on him, and recently had the Michigan State Univ thyroid panel run on him. All was normal. His coat is still s little sparse (looks like it to me when I compare his red coat to other dobes I've seen) along the lower back and flanks, the ears and behind his ears, top of head. He's always been a bit flaky, but he is much improved since I put him on Innova EVO about a year ago, he gets fish oil every day, too and a wipe down everyother day with a solution of Keri lotion and water.

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Hypothyroidism can often cause changes in the skin/coat. Other common signs include decreased energy, weight gain and cold intolerance.

Canine Hypothyroidism, An Overview
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Well I took Skyler to the vet today because I thought she may have a recurring staph infection. The vet did a thyroid panel and sent it off. We won't get results until next week. I knew it was a possibility with a dobe, but didn't think too much about it. Both of her parent's thyroid's tested normal. She has thinning hair each side of her back close to her hip area. Is this treatable like in humans? Is it very serious? Other than the thinning area she has been fine. They aren't even sure it is what she has, but I am a worried mom, and feel awful for not taking her in sooner! Any thoughts, experience, or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Do you know if the screen on the parents covered the free T3 and free T4 and Autoantibodies. It is quite possible that only a T4 was done which would not indicate everything. The fish oil or flaxseed oil can help the coat come back. Hara's thyroid is low but is not autoimmune/inherited variety. If it was I would not have bred her. As it was I made sure the dog's thyroid was normal. It was actually one of the reasons I looked past a couple of nice dogs.
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Every Doberman I've ever owned except one has eventually gone hypothyroid. My boys have usually gone hypothyroid at younger ages, my girls have usually gone hypothyroid past the age of 7. One was 10.

As others have said, it can be easily medicated. However, Dr. O'Grady (the cardiologist) says that thyroid meds can be the cause of ventricular premature contractions. He'd prefer that people don't use thyroid meds but we're kind of between a rock and a hard place on that one. As murreydobe said, the thyroid plays such a big part of so many systems you really can't ignore that problem.
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Do you know if the screen on the parents covered the free T3 and free T4 and Autoantibodies. It is quite possible that only a T4 was done which would not indicate everything. The fish oil or flaxseed oil can help the coat come back. Hara's thyroid is low but is not autoimmune/inherited variety. If it was I would not have bred her. As it was I made sure the dog's thyroid was normal. It was actually one of the reasons I looked past a couple of nice dogs.
I don't remember what all the parent's were screened for, but I do remember the breeder showing me the test results and the results were normal. I will wait and see what Skyler's test results say, and then I may contact the breeder. It is in our contract that we signed anyway that we are to contact the breeder if a puppy that she sales is diagnosed with anything so that she can keep a record of it for her lines. I need to talk to her anyway, because she should have had all the test results back from Skyler's parents for the past year. She has them tested every year.
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Dr. O'Grady (the cardiologist) says that thyroid meds can be the cause of ventricular premature contractions. He'd prefer that people don't use thyroid meds but we're kind of between a rock and a hard place on that one. As murreydobe said, the thyroid plays such a big part of so many systems you really can't ignore that problem.
Have the meds really been shown to be a cause, or is there just an association between heartbeat irregularities and thyroid medications? So many dobermans have both conditions, and the detection of heart trouble seems to be typically later than thyroid--just wondered.

Anyway, my red dog has recently developed very dry skin, flakiness (of the skin ), thinning hair, and has been scratching a lot--we've looked for parasites, supplemented with oils (K9 show stopper and then a vet prescribed omega 3 type thing) and done the occasional oatmeal bath. If the supplements are going to help, how long is it before you see improvement? He had a thyroid panel done a few months ago, which was low normal--how often should those tests be run; how quickly can they change?
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